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^ They want free hand to dig all holy graves they want, exhumes all the holy bodies so there is no more grave worship ? and also so they can freely pratice sunnah of their mother hinda.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
The Assads are and will remain nominal Muslims more commited to a leftist, secular ideology. How they managed to pull the Shia card, I don't know.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
^Asad's regime is a baathi regime and like Saddam they will kill anything that moves if it comes in their way. Like Saddam, Asad has also killed Sunni/Shia/Christian/Druze dissents so this is not a sectarian issue, at least from Asad's side it is not. In Middle East, Syria is THE most complex society (there are more than 18 sects in Syria including Jews).
As for the Shia card that you mention, well, Hezbollah is drawn in to secure their own interests. Hezbollah chief outlined the reasons in his address last week and I am with him on this one (and hundreds of Christian and Sunni leaders who were present there). It is first time takfiri outfits (Al Qaeda) have shown up physically for a battle (normally they resort to bombing markets and mosques across Asia-Middle East). And good on Hezbollah for fronting up to them.
Plus, dont forget that Syrian regime's relations with post-revolution Iran (and Lebanon) are old. Started right from the time of Syed Khomeini and Hafiz al Asad (Bashar's father).
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Chomsky makes the most complex of situations sound simple. By the way Chomsky too is a Hezbollah fan and went to Lebanon to meet Syed Hasan Nasrallah couple of years back (much to Israel’s ire who blocked Chomsky from entering Israel during the same trip).
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bro, you should see how idiotic their supporters are even in a country like Australia. EDL - Syrian conflict causes rising tension amongst Muslims in Australia - YouTube
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Lets make this clear; Assad is not a sectarian person... He is a Secularist baaathist. His army constitutes people of all background, not just alawites or shias. So this was never a shia vs sunni thing for him. It was the al qaeda types that took over and turned into a sectarian warfare...With the help of saudi & qatar.
do you think the fact that hezbollah is shia is merely coincidental and unrelated to its decision to support assad? how about the iranian state?
the naked sectarianism on display in this conflict is two-sided. whether assad is personally secular or whether the rebels are more sectarian are largely irrelevant points.
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^put it this way, cake itself is the geopolitics whereas the cream is made up of religio-politics.
Otherwise Asad is part of Iran led nexus that also support sunni groups such as Hamas, and Islamic Jihad in Gaza. By the way, theologically, Shia consider Alawites to be 'disbelievers' too.
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No, not coincidental at all, but nothing to do with sects either. It is purely strategic; self defence, mutual benefits; corridor of arms, friendly neighbour in a hostile region, similar enemies; lots of places of interest in syria for ziyarah etc. But this was established a long time ago, back in the 70s and not a recent 'decision',to support assad.
The fact that alawite are not even considered shias, muslims even by ulemas should make that much obvious, that this is hardly a sectarian alliance, no matter how much the media bleats it. The sectarian issue is coming purely from the opposition, but the msm has twisted it around 180.
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the naked sectarianism on display in this conflict is two-sided. whether assad is personally secular or whether the rebels are more sectarian are largely irrelevant points.
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Its not really two sided; it wouldn't have made a difference if assad was a sunni; the relationship would have been the same. iran has relations with plenty of sunni countries incl. egypt, turkey, pakistan, etc.it is not hostile to them on a sectarian basis; unlike its arabs neighbours.
Its important to realise that this was never a sunni vs shia issue, because that narrative has deliberately been played over and over and divided the muslim community world over. That is exactly what the axis of evil wanted to achieve, and arming al nusra is helping them to do just that.
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The military chief of the main umbrella group of Syrian rebels, the Free Syrian Army, has accused Hezbollah fighters of "invading" Syria in a BBC interview....
....., on Wednesday, the US State Department demanded that Hezbollah withdraw its fighters from Syria immediately.
A spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said their presence was "an unacceptable and extremely dangerous escalation".
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I cant believe they said all this with a straight face. lol
Fsa complaining of an 'invasion' when they are teeming with foreigners, and psaki warning of an escalation..whilst supporting the rebels themselves. Dangerous indeed...
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I cant believe they said all this with a straight face. lol
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I love it when they say that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are in it to bring "democracy" to Syria.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
^ They want free hand to dig all holy graves they want, exhumes all the holy bodies so there is no more grave worship ? and also so they can freely pratice sunnah of their mother hinda.
Who are they? The 5-8% fighters? Why are pro-Assad members insisting on jihadists being the majority among Syrian rebels?
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^they might be as little as 1% but it doesn't matter as it is them causing havoc and destruction that is undermining the genuine case against Asad. Much like less than 1% of TTP and other small groups that have tried to hijack the Pakistani society.
Plus when you have John Mc(cunning)Cain cheerleading you and Saudi Arabia and Qatar (+Umreeca shareef and Israel) leading you to "democracy" then that is quite a colorful set of guardians to take you towards that route.
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^ They want free hand to dig all holy graves they want, exhumes all the holy bodies so there is no more grave worship ? and also so they can freely pratice sunnah of their mother hinda.
News along video of their latest adventure has gone online today. This time the target was mausoleum of Prophet Ibrahim built over place where Prophet lived along with his first wife Sarah in the town of Ayn al-Aroos, North Syria. They bullldozed the place calling it "house of polytheism", perhaps in reference to many pilgrims that used to come to visit the place.
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No, not coincidental at all, but nothing to do with sects either. It is purely strategic; self defence, mutual benefits; corridor of arms, friendly neighbour in a hostile region, similar enemies; lots of places of interest in syria for ziyarah etc. But this was established a long time ago, back in the 70s and not a recent 'decision',to support assad.
The fact that alawite are not even considered shias, muslims even by ulemas should make that much obvious, that this is hardly a sectarian alliance, no matter how much the media bleats it. The sectarian issue is coming purely from the opposition, but the msm has twisted it around 180.
Its not really two sided; it wouldn't have made a difference if assad was a sunni; the relationship would have been the same. iran has relations with plenty of sunni countries incl. egypt, turkey, pakistan, etc.it is not hostile to them on a sectarian basis; unlike its arabs neighbours.
Its important to realise that this was never a sunni vs shia issue, because that narrative has deliberately been played over and over and divided the muslim community world over. That is exactly what the axis of evil wanted to achieve, and arming al nusra is helping them to do just that.
the idea that sectarianism is only about religion or theology is a strawman. sects provide political identities and allegiances as much as they do religious ones. the only four shia power centers in the middle east are de facto military allies in this conflict without a single sunni ally from the huge pool of sunni states in the neighborhood. this is not coincidental by any stretch of the imagination. iran merely having relations with some regional states doesn't impact this dynamic. frankly it's rational and expected so i'm not sure why you are uncomfortable calling a spade a spade here. given the broader anti-shia hostility across the region it makes perfect sense for shia leaders to support each other especially in times of struggle.
there is nothing criminal or shameful in such alliances. the problem is defense of brutality on the basis of sectarian allegiance. there is nothing stopping iran (or you for that matter) from expressing unequivocal condemnation of assad's atrocities. this doesn't mean the rebels are angels - you are free to condemn their behavior as well.
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I bet Israel is having a field day. They're loving it.
So, Israel is the real winner in this war.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
My guess is that the little discomfort might be due to the fact that Prophet Muhamad pbuh and the Imam of the school of Ahlay Bayt would not have allowed siding with a brutal dictator living in a palace of Damascus!
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In a war between Shia Extremists like Hezbollah vs Sunni Extremists like Al Qaeda, I prefer Shias, even though I am Sunni.
Shias do not hate Sunnis enough to launch suicide attacks on Sunnis.
Sunnis on the other hand hate Shias enough to launch suicide attacks to kill them.
A Sunni extremist government in Syria will spell doom for the Shias, Christians and other non-sunni minorities who live there.
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Hezbollah gets on really well with Christians, Druze and other minorities which is why they are so popular. Here is one article on this from TIME,Hizballah’s Christian Soldiers? - TIME
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In a war between Shia Extremists like Hezbollah vs Sunni Extremists like Al Qaeda, I prefer Shias, even though I am Sunni.
Shias do not hate Sunnis enough to launch suicide attacks on Sunnis.
Sunnis on the other hand hate Shias enough to launch suicide attacks to kill them.
A Sunni extremist government in Syria will spell doom for the Shias, Christians and other non-sunni minorities who live there.
I kind of get what u r saying... but are u calling Hezbollah shia extremists just because they r shias or do u think Fighting against Israel or these FSA animals (extremist) makes others extremist too ?
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Assad should let the women and children escape out of Qusair. But the butcher wants Hezbollah to kill the women and children.
BBC News - Assad ‘wants Hezbollah to kill women and children’, Qusair doctor says