Salaams all,
I opened a number of threads in the Image Gallery about our brave pilots and their role in the 1965 war.
Pakistan Airforce in 1965 in Pictures
Squadron Leader Sarfaraz Ahmed Rafiqui Shaheed
Pilot Officer Rashid Minhas Shaheed
Please place any further comments here.
very nice pictures..
Try the following you need real player for this. It is taken from Pakdef I believe its the copyright of J Khan. Please give him due credit. http://www.arpatech.com/PakistanFinalCut512.rm
Yeah you just want to show off right??
But good job medic.
Those are excellent paintings!
Our's not to reason why,
Our's but to do and die:
PAKISTAN BAINDABAD !
till these times i have seen only indian ,israeli american and british war heroes…i like to see pak heroes too…can i have any thred to their life history too?
Take it easy guys
all respects for our heros.
What in the hell 1965 war and its heroes have to do with Pakistan Politics? In view of Parvez Musharraf’s visit to India, starting this thread indicate how our moderators are ‘smart’ enough to allow such non-sense on this bulletin board.
Wars of 1948, 1965 and 1971 were not fought for the just cause. These were ‘mare adventures’ and Pakistan had to suffer heavily when its foundations were cracked and economy went down the gutter. Those military rulers under whom these lost wars were fought should have been hanged to death for breaking of the country and killing of millions of innocent people in the name of Islam and Jehad. I must say these wars were nothing but Gunnhe-be-Lazzat and justification for 90% spending of Paki budget in Punjab to feed huge un productive army and in purchasing of arms and ammunition not for liberation of Kashmir but to conquer their own country and treating their countrymen as subjects of an occupied country.
Sincerely,
FARID
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Originally posted by Farid:
**What in the hell 1965 war and its heroes have to do with Pakistan Politics? In view of Parvez Musharraf’s visit to India, starting this thread indicate how our moderators are ‘smart’ enough to allow such non-sense on this bulletin board.
Wars of 1948, 1965 and 1971 were not fought for the just cause. These were ‘mare adventures’ and Pakistan had to suffer heavily when its foundations were cracked and economy went down the gutter. Those military rulers under whom these lost wars were fought should have been hanged to death for breaking of the country and killing of millions of innocent people in the name of Islam and Jehad. I must say these wars were nothing but Gunnhe-be-Lazzat and justification for 90% spending of Paki budget in Punjab to feed huge un productive army and in purchasing of arms and ammunition not for liberation of Kashmir but to conquer their own country and treating their countrymen as subjects of an occupied country.
Sincerely,
FARID**
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This has everything to do with politics. The war of 65 very much had an impact on the political environment in the subcontinent at the time; these links are dedicated to those men who died to change the political environment for Pakistan.
These links are dedicated to men who gave their lives to show that Pakistan would not and will never roll over and die!!!
Pakistan Zindabad
One God, One Prophet, One People
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mAd_ScIeNtIsT,
I know you are really mad at me but what I said was the truth and truth is always bitter. Prove me if I am wrong? For argument sake if 1965 war has to do with Pakistan Politics then war of 1971 is more relevant to Paki Politics than 1965. Same heroes threw their arms before Indian General Jag-geet Singh Arora in 1971 humiliating not only Pakistan but also whole Muslim community. You should think first what you want to say by starting such thread in Political Section. If you want to remember your heroes do it in proper manner at proper place.
FARID
The shortest book in world history:
The India book of Heroes!
Only 1 line: There are NONE!!!
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif
Our’s not to reason why,
Our’s but to do and die:
Originally posted by Farid:
**mAd_ScIeNtIsT,
I know you are really mad at me but what I said was the truth and truth is always bitter.**
What truth?
That the CE is punjabi?
Or that Zia was Punjabi?
Or that Ayub was Punjabi?
Remember this?
Prove me if I am wrong? For argument sake if 1965 war has to do with Pakistan Politics then war of 1971 is more relevant to Paki Politics than 1965.
Who is disputing that fact.
All wars are relevant for the politics of a nation.
Same heroes threw their arms before Indian General Jag-geet Singh Arora in 1971 humiliating not only Pakistan but also whole Muslim community.
Bloody hell do you read anything?
This is about 1965!!!
NOT 1971!!!
I think i was right when i said you were fixated on 1971.
I suggest you get psychological help.
Or go to the loony bin nearest to your house.
**You should think first what you want to say by starting such thread in Political Section. If you want to remember your heroes do it in proper manner at proper place.
FARID**
This to our Heroes, they might be yours, but since when are you pakistani???
Medic will do what he pleases when he wants.
This is a perfectly acceptable thread which you had to mess up.
Our's not to reason why,
Our's but to do and die:
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Originally posted by Farid:
Prove me if I am wrong? For argument sake if 1965 war has to do with Pakistan Politics then war of 1971 is more relevant to Paki Politics than 1965. Same heroes threw their arms before Indian General Jag-geet Singh Arora in 1971 humiliating not only Pakistan but also whole Muslim community.
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Umm did you even bother to click on the links? How can these heroes have been the same ones who surrendered in 1971? In case you didn't notice, every single person in the links died in action. Pardon me if I am incorrect, but to me it seems that is is somewhat difficult for a dead man to surrender. The sacrifice of these men by giving their lives in the cause of the 2-Nation Theory is what makes them heroes.
And for your information, the reason why I feel the 1965 war is highly relevant to Pakistan's Politics is because it showed that all Pakistanis, whether Mohajir, Punjabi, Pathan, Baloch, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Bihari, or Bengali, were willing to fight and die for the concept of Pakistan when the nation was threatened by massive external aggression.
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CM,
"Bloody hell do you read anything?
This is about 1965!!!
NOT 1971!!!
I think i was right when i said you were fixated on 1971.
I suggest you get psychological help.
Or go to the loony bin nearest to your house".
It looks like I again shafted you. I am sorry if you are feeling any pain. First of all these topics are not relevant to Pakistan Politics, unless you are inclined to involve Army in Paki Politics and make them more corrupt.
I am fixated at 1971, because that tragedy will haunt Pakis till dooms day or breakage of remaining portion which ever is earlier. But if you consider 1965 war in this forum is relevant, then if you are really a 'mard' consider 1971 war also. Do you know that General Yehya Khan was also a hero in 1965 war and earned him some kind of star (Sitara-e-Pakistan or Hilal-e-Jurrat I did not remember) given by Ayub Khan? Since your knowledge is so poor or you are so dumb you only look at one side of the coin which suits your ego and stupid behavior. Your same 1965 hero Yehya Khan, gave east Paksitan to Indian General in 1971. Now tell me aren’t you a bloody fool, you did not know that.
You said
“What truth?
That the CE is punjabi?
Or that Zia was Punjabi?
Or that Ayub was Punjabi?
Remember this?”
My answer is yes to all of these questions. Do you have any doubt about that? Second and Third ones are actual Punjabis, the first is one is ruling with full ‘aashewar’ of Punjabi establishment. If any thing goes wrong he will be another shield for Punjabi ****ups.
FARID
So you agree you are fixated on 1971.
Progress.
However this is a 1965 thread.
Why bring 1971 into it???
They are freakin 6 years apart.
Like me and medic said both are important.
But does that mean if we discuss one we have to discuss the other??
BLOODY HELL NO!
Do we have to go everything all over again.
Bhutto and the FM at the time of Ayub are to be blamed in my opinion for the 1965 war.
Read the following book:
Ayub Khan Pakistan's First Military Ruler by Altaf Gauhar.
excellent book.
Learn the truth about Bhutto.
Ayub Punjabi??
Please explain, don't want any of your typical racist and stupid comments.
Back it up with facts.
Where was AYUB born?
Etc etc.
Our's not to reason why,
Our's but to do and die:
CM,
I do not want to respond to your retarded comments. Except to say that Ayub Khan belonged to Abotabad District which is a part of northern Punjab, where language is 'pothwaari' or 'hindco' a blend of more Punjabi and less Pushto. His daughter Zeb was married to a son of ruler of Swaat District. Please read the life history of Ayub Khan in his autobiography "Friends Not Masters" or "os risk se maut Achi, Jis risk se aati hay parwaz man kotaahi", written by Altaf Gohar on behalf of him.
Mr. Or Ms., CM, little knowledge is a dangerous thing. With your little knowledge, I do not know why you are misguiding people on this forum. What you perceive is your imagination, which is far from reality. Go and read some history books on Pakistan.
FARID
Farid abbotabad is the summer capital of NWFP.
So much for your knowledge!
Before i read books on pak history, i suggest you learn pak geography.
Our's not to reason why,
Our's but to do and die:
CM,
O.K. my geography is little weak. But I know that people of Abotabad do not speak Pushto and they are not called as pathaans.
FARID
cut it out farid and CM...this thread is about pakistani war heroes lets stick to the topic.....
mad scientest why notice that these are only PAF heroes.... where r the army and navy heroes....where is aziz bhatti, sarwar shaheed etc...
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Originally posted by Farid:
**CM,
O.K. my geography is little weak. But I know that people of Abotabad do not speak Pushto and they are not called as pathaans.
FARID**
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I met few from Abbotabad they speak a different language it was not urdu,punjabi or pashto. But I was told by one of them they are pathans. I don't know Abbotabad may be a mixture of Punjabis and Pathans.