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[ravage]

Namoos warriors in action again.

LAHORE: Two Christian women were beaten and publically humiliated by an angry mob over apparently frivolous blasphemy allegations and they and their family are now in hiding for fear of being killed, The Express Tribune has learnt.
“None of our relatives is ready to let us stay with them. They fear the wrath of the extremists, particularly after the assassination of Salmaan Taseer,” a male member of the family said over the phone from an undisclosed location.
The family and a non-governmental organisation that is helping them asked that their identities not be revealed, lest it put them in further danger. The names mentioned here are fictitious.
According to the family, the allegations stem from a dispute between Amina, a Muslim, and her sister-in-law Zahira, a Christian, in an East Lahore locality. The two got into an argument on Tuesday night and though it appeared to have been settled, on Wednesday morning, after her husband Zahid had gone to work, Amina walked out onto the street and started shouting that Zahira had abused the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
A short while later, a group of men led by Muhammad Sameer, a member of a religious organisation keen on raising its sectarian profile, forced their way into the house and started slapping Zahira, said another of her brothers, Sohail. “Other men and women from the neighbourhood started gathering at the house too and they beat up my sister and mother. They were the only people in the house,” he said.
“We tried our best to get her to confess her crime,” Sameer told The Express Tribune. As a member of the religious organisation, he said he could not tolerate any derogatory remarks about the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
Sameer added that he was very proud of his wife’s performance during the mob beating. “She beat Zahira more than anyone else. Her hand is so swollen that she hasn’t been able to make rotis since the day of the incident. I’ve been getting my meals from a restaurant,” he said.
Malik Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed assassin of Salmaan Taseer, is a member of the same group as Sameer. The group also runs a twenty-four hour cable TV channel.
Khadim Hazoor, Sameer’s son-in-law and another participant in the beating, said that the women’s faces were blackened and they were made to wear necklaces of shoes and paraded around the locality on donkeys to humiliate them. He said the women denied blaspheming and repeatedly touched their feet seeking mercy.
He said the people of the locality would not allow Zahid or his family to return to their house, which he lives next door to. He claimed that the fight between Zahira and Amina the night before the incident revolved around the upbringing of Zahid and Amina’s 18-month-old daughter. Amina had wanted to raise her daughter as a Muslim, but Zahira wanted her niece to be raised as a Christian, he said.
Hazoor accused Zahid of “cheating Islam” by pretending to convert from Christianity to Islam so he could marry the Muslim girl. “We will not let them live in this house. He has not only cheated Amina but also Islam,” he said.
Zameer Khan, an NGO worker, helped the family flee the locality after they were attacked. “Apparently there was no blasphemy, just an argument between two women,” he said.
He said after hearing of the incident, he had reached the scene to find the women being attacked. He said he had asked the mob if anyone had heard Zahira utter any blasphemous remarks, to which they all replied in the negative. He said he persuaded them to let the women go while he investigated the matter. He then helped relocate the family temporarily. He said he had also convinced the mob not to involve the police.

Blasphemy allegations: Another Christian family on the run | The Express Tribune

[Sa1eem]

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^^^
Brother Ravage thanks for bringing out the published report and, if the report is right, exposing ‘Jahanumees’ like Sameer, his wife, son-in-law Khadim Hazoor, and others, who are all guilty of abusing and maligning name of Prophet (SAW) with their actions. Allah would give you reward for your efforts and would punish these guilty of blasphemy on judgment day (Insha-Allah).

We should know and understand that abusing someone in the name of Prophet (SAW) wrongly or without concrete proof is unpardonable abuse of Prophet (SAW) personality and his beloved name. Person guilty of such abuses would surely burn in hell. Sameer, his wife, son-in-law Hazoor, and all who took part in above incidence are guilty of Blasphemy and according to Pakistani law of Blasphemy, deserve death penalty. Those who love Blasphemy law in Pakistan should report that to police and bring cases against these thugs guilty of Blasphemy.

    Even though I believe there is such law but it is **unclear and discretionary**. I think to save beloved name and personality of Prophet (SAW) from getting maligned and abused, Pakistan government should bring **clear and mandatory** law as soon as possible that anyone accusing someone of blasphemy can only accuse if they have concrete proof and undisputable evidences (that is, 4 eye witnesses of reputable standing who have no vested interest against accused). If accuser/s could not bring proof and required 4 witnesses, then accuser/s should be charged (mandatorily) of blasphemy and should get maximum punishment (death sentence) for blasphemy according to Pakistani law.

**

[Captain1]

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Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajioun

[Faris_Udeen]

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Khuda hidayat dein in bewakoofon ko.

May all cruell persons be punished in this world and the next.

[1947]

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Malik Mumtaz Qadri is hailed as a hero while poor christians are dying.

But again this is a daily issue for the minority religions of Pakistan. My family also has faced discrimination cuz they are christians in Pakistan. Very sad and cruel country. I wish my grandparents never migrated to this country in 1947.

[_RestLess]

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Even though I believe there is such law but it is unclear and discretionary. I think to save beloved name and personality of Prophet (SAW) from getting maligned and abused, Pakistan government should bring clear and mandatory law as soon as possible that anyone accusing someone of blasphemy can only accuse if they have concrete proof and undisputable evidences (that is, 4 eye witnesses of reputable standing who have no vested interest against accused). If accuser/s could not bring proof and required 4 witnesses, then accuser/s should be charged (mandatorily) of blasphemy and should get maximum punishment (death sentence) for blasphemy according to Pakistani law.

The idea of 4 eye-witnesses of reputable standing is making alot of sense to me. But on the flip side, the same ruling can save a real blasphemer from penalty.

[Sa1eem]

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The idea of 4 eye-witnesses of reputable standing is making alot of sense to me. But on the flip side, the same ruling can save a real blasphemer from penalty.

If you knew Islam, read Quran, and believed on Allah, you would not have written what you wrote. Because real punishment in Islam is not punishment in this life but punishment after death, and if a person is really guilty of blasphemy or any crime (Zina, or whatever), even if such guilty gets away in this world his punishment would be there after death.

When Islam punishes someone of crime, that punishment is not to harm or hurt someone, but for only two reasons. One is to stop people harming, cheating, abusing and accusing innocent other people (punishment for crime against other humans) and to stop spreading of immorality in society (ex: Zina in public, that is Zina where enough people seen the Zina and chances is that if not punished than Zina would spread). Islam never promotes ‘tajasus’ (looking intentionally) for guilty in Muslims but it promotes covering, such that, one believe of Islam is that, if a person do a sin (or crime) then covering it up and feeling guilty about it itself is atonement.

So, more important for Muslim is not to punish culprits but save innocent and punish those who are guilty of punishing innocents. In such process, if guilty, especially guilty whose guilt has not physically or materially harmed anyone, gets away so be it.

As for Blasphemy is concerned, this is such sin that one have to think 100 times before punishing even confirmed culprit, because sin or wrong is against Allah (the most merciful) or Prophet (Mercy for all) and we do not know who Allah and Prophet (SAW) forgive for that wrong against them and when.

Further, victimising or punishing for such sin does not do any favour to the name of Prophet (SAW) or Islam, rather malign and defame Islam as well as name of prophet (SAW) all over the world. Thus victimiser also becomes guilty of Blasphemy with his acts that defame and malign name of Prophet (SAW).

For instance, Prophet (SAW) name is respected and loved by Muslims and that is no big deal. Big deal is that Prophet (SAW) name was/is respected name even amongst non-believers, not because he was Prophet or his mission became a successful mission, but because he (SAW) was most merciful and graceful person who always forgave his ardent opponents, abusers, and enemies. Plus, his message is seen as message of equality, justice and forgiveness. Similarly, Islam was/is respected because of same reason, preaching of equality, justice, and forgiveness.

Now, Jahanumi thugs abusing and victimising innocent or guilty in his (SAW) name and in the name of Islam (certainly a ploy of Shaitan) is defaming, maligning, and demonising name of Prophet (SAW) and Islam amongst non-Muslims and creating anxiety and hate amongst Muslims towards those who are doing all this evil in the name of their beloved prophet (SAW) and religion Islam.

[chacha_Ghalib]

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@Sa1eem

If you knew Islam, read Quran, and believed on Allah, you would not have written what you wrote. Because real punishment in Islam is not punishment in this life but punishment after death, and if a person is really guilty of blasphemy or any crime (Zina, or whatever), even if such guilty gets away in this world his punishment would be there after death.

When Islam punishes someone of crime, that punishment is not to harm or hurt someone, but for only two reasons. One is to stop people harming, cheating, abusing and accusing innocent other people (punishment for crime against other humans) and to stop spreading of immorality in society (ex: Zina in public, that is Zina where enough people seen the Zina and chances is that if not punished than Zina would spread). Islam never promotes ‘tajasus’ (looking intentionally) for guilty in Muslims but it promotes covering, such that, one believe of Islam is that, if a person do a sin (or crime) then covering it up and feeling guilty about it itself is atonement.

So, more important for Muslim is not to punish culprits but save innocent and punish those who are guilty of punishing innocents. In such process, if guilty, especially guilty whose guilt has not physically or materially harmed anyone, gets away so be it.

As for Blasphemy is concerned, this is such sin that one have to think 100 times before punishing even confirmed culprit, because sin or wrong is against Allah (the most merciful) or Prophet (Mercy for all) and we do not know who Allah and Prophet (SAW) forgive for that wrong against them and when.

Further, victimising or punishing for such sin does not do any favour to the name of Prophet (SAW) or Islam, rather malign and defame Islam as well as name of prophet (SAW) all over the world. Thus victimiser also becomes guilty of Blasphemy with his acts that defame and malign name of Prophet (SAW).

For instance, Prophet (SAW) name is respected and loved by Muslims and that is no big deal. Big deal is that Prophet (SAW) name was/is respected name even amongst non-believers, not because he was Prophet or his mission became a successful mission, but because he (SAW) was most merciful and graceful person who always forgave his ardent opponents, abusers, and enemies. Plus, his message is seen as message of equality, justice and forgiveness. Similarly, Islam was/is respected because of same reason, preaching of equality, justice, and forgiveness.

Now, Jahanumi thugs abusing and victimising innocent or guilty in his (SAW) name and in the name of Islam (certainly a ploy of Shaitan) is defaming, maligning, and demonising name of Prophet (SAW) and Islam amongst non-Muslims and creating anxiety and hate amongst Muslims towards those who are doing all this evil in the name of their beloved prophet (SAW) and religion Islam.

wonderful post. :k:

[mufaddal]

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1947 are you goan christian?

[mufaddal]

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1947, I asked you this because on a recent visit to Toronto I met with a number of Karachi Goan Christians, now Canadian citizens who fear for their aged parents and relatives still in Karachi and are now lobbying with the Indian Government to permit their families to resettle in their ancestral villages in Goa. I also know that a number of Goan politicians support this.

My understanding of Christians in Pakistan is that they are of 2 kinds, the old Goan Christians in Karachi (who moved there from Bombay in the pre Independence era) and the newly converted Christians from Punjab, of the two communities the Punjabi Christians are less educated and live on the margins of society, so I'm guessing you are Goan

[_RestLess]

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@Sa1eem

When Islam punishes someone of crime, that punishment is not to harm or hurt someone, but for only two reasons. One is to stop people harming, cheating, abusing and accusing innocent other people (punishment for crime against other humans) and to stop spreading of immorality in society (ex: Zina in public, that is Zina where enough people seen the Zina and chances is that if not punished than Zina would spread). Islam never promotes ‘tajasus’ (looking intentionally) for guilty in Muslims but it promotes covering, such that, one believe of Islam is that, if a person do a sin (or crime) then covering it up and feeling guilty about it itself is atonement.

As for Blasphemy is concerned, this is such sin that one have to think 100 times before punishing even confirmed culprit, because sin or wrong is against Allah (the most merciful) or Prophet (Mercy for all) and we do not know who Allah and Prophet (SAW) forgive for that wrong against them and when.

Further, victimising or punishing for such sin does not do any favour to the name of Prophet (SAW) or Islam, rather malign and defame Islam as well as name of prophet (SAW) all over the world. Thus victimiser also becomes guilty of Blasphemy with his acts that defame and malign name of Prophet (SAW).

For instance, Prophet (SAW) name is respected and loved by Muslims and that is no big deal. Big deal is that Prophet (SAW) name was/is respected name even amongst non-believers, not because he was Prophet or his mission became a successful mission, but because he (SAW) was most merciful and graceful person who always forgave his ardent opponents, abusers, and enemies. Plus, his message is seen as message of equality, justice and forgiveness. Similarly, Islam was/is respected because of same reason, preaching of equality, justice, and forgiveness.

Very beautifully explained Saleem bhai. You made me fall in love with Islam all over again.

[Monk]

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some one shoot me please.
That too in the head.