here lies a Black man killed fighting a yellow man for the protection of a white man

The US military is recruiting young Hispanics to fight it’s war in Iraq, with as many as 30,000 of the 150,000 troops deployed being Latino, many being deployed on front lines. It is estimated that up to 20% of all casualties in Iraq are Hispanic. In 2003, just after the Iraq war, John McLaurin, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army for Human Resources commented on the need “to boost the Latino numbers in the military from roughly 10 per cent to as much as 22 per cent”, whilst speaking about the size of the “Hispanic … recruiting market”. With more than one-third of all Hispanics under 18 years of age; a high school dropout rate of 40% and high rates of incarceration in prison many Hispanics see little hope for the future. That is why many have been lured with promises of assistance and university scholarships, with even non-citizens being promised Green cards after serving in the Army.

This echoes the situation of black people fighting in the US army during previous wars. Whilst they were on the front lines, their fellow brethren were still being discriminated against back home. One such infamous comment came from a black soldier serving in World War 2 fighting against Japan who said “just carve on my tombstone, here lies a Black man killed fighting a yellow man for the protection of a white man”.

The demonstrations by thousands of Latinos have raised the question; if America treats people on it’s doorstep with such disdain, how can one expect it to treat other people around the world, such as in Iraq? For all the mantra of ‘Human Rights’, the spreading of ‘Freedom’ and ‘Democracy’ the reality is America sees both Humans and scare resources as nothing more than tradable commodities, their value determined by their intrinsic properties. Yet it is not only America that treats immigrants and other minorities with such contempt. All over Europe and Australia we are seeing ever increasing hostility towards migrants, particularly Muslims. In France the riots in late 2005 were symptomatic of the despair and treatment of it’s Muslim minority who make up 10% of it’s population. In Germany the large Turkish community has no citizenship rights and are regarded as ‘guest workers’. Australia has similarly seen recent race related violence with politicians declaring, in a deliberate attack on Muslims, that there is no place for those that do not adapt to the Australian ‘way’ of life. In Britain, one in four would vote for the far right British National Party and its racist agenda.

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And how does Pakistan treat its minorities or any other country for that matter?

If North America and Europe treat immigrants with such contempt, then why are so many people clamoring to immigrate there?

As for Hispanics in the Army.

I am pretty sure you know that if you serve in the US Army and are illegal, you can green card and citizenship and that is what many people are doing in USA.

What kind of a BS full rant was that?

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I think its unfair that the only way america gives citizenship to some immigrants is by indirectly forcing them into the army.

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^ Yes, it is so unfair. They let them come into this country (breaking the law), live off of welfare, drain the social system an don top of that they have the audacity to ask them to do something for this country. How unfair of us Americans.

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Since when “immigrants” are allowed to live off of welfare? :hoonh:

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Not really true. Look at me :D, they didn't force me into armed forces, yet I'm an immigrant :)

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Captain ji, its about time you get out of Dallas and take a walk in the real world. How much do you want to pay for your fake yet real S.S card. driver license?

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^ getting a fake SS/DL doesn't give you access to welfare funds, does it? it only gives you low-pay jobs, yes/no?

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Both

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I agree with you but I never said that Pakistan or any Muslim country treat it citizens Muslims and non muslims fairly coz they are being run by the very same system by which America is run “Democracy(HYPOCRISY)”.

America has aided or directly helped overthrow 40 governments in Latin America alone. Africa reels from decades of corruption and poor governance, a testimony to colonialism and corrupt leaders still courted by the West. All over the Muslim world we also see despotic regimes which are legitimised by the West. Today we witness many refugees from both Iraq and Afghanistan, where American lead Western forces seek to enforce their occupation. Is it any surprise that people would leave such desperate conditions?

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USA after 1945 was in a Cold War with the Soviet Union.

Big countries often trample over little countries, its a fact of life.

Can you name me 1, just 1 Super-power that has a good record in treating smaller countries

From the Persian Empire, Roman Empire, Chinese Empire, Mongol Empire, Mugal Empire, Spanish and Portugese Empire, British Empire, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union or the United States, to name a few.

Each of these big countries, or powers have mis-treated smaller countries and smaller people.

Its a fact of human life.

When you are a power, you want to preserve power, you will trample over little people to maintain it.

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I did say some immigrants......

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oh no the hizb ul tahrir automatons are here again.
dinn they get banned from most countries anyways?

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This isnt true. Dont know where you got this from. Got a source?
There however is an executive order from Bush from 2002, that speeds up the citizenship process. A legal resident in military can apply for citizenship after 1 year (it was 3 years before).

Back to the topic.

The hispanic population is increasing in US and therefore offers oppurtunities for recruitment. The Army (Navy or Airforce) offer these kids a way out of the urban ghettos and gangbanging and prison culture. The Army has failed to meet the enlistment and retention quotas in the past couple of years and they are aggressively recruiting in these hoods.

**Army Effort to Enlist Hispanics Draws Recruits, and Criticism

**I have had calls from the local army recruitment center. The seem very interested in me. I have had two to three different Seargents call me in the past year or so. I keep telling them im over the enlistment age, they keep telling me they have raised the enlistmen age. Finally I had to be blunt once and told them, i aint interested in going to Iraq to fight a war I dont agree with. They hung up :smiley:

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I am also against the War in Iraq as are many Americans..

The problem is most Americans care mostly of getting their kids to school, paying their taxes, getting their salaries, and don't care about the outside world

Their government however, plays on this ignorance when it conduts foreign policy agendas

Americans in my opinion are the most friendly and approachable people in the world

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The treatment of minorities by the Caliphate was exemplary in its ability to accommodate different ethnic and religious backgrounds. The current momentum for the return of the Caliphate in the Muslim world will see Non-Muslims or Dhimmi (People of Contract) accorded full citizenship and protection. They are encouraged to contribute to all forms of public life from trade, commerce, and other professions including working for the Civil Service of the Caliphate. People are also welcome from all over the world to the Caliphate and indeed in the past scholars came and studied in the universities of Cairo, Baghdad and Cordoba. This is why when Spain was carrying it’s inquisition in the 15th Century and killing both Muslims and Jews alike, the Jews sought and found sanctuary in the Ottoman Caliphate. Here they excelled in their professions which prompted Caliph Bajazet II to say "How can you call this Ferdinand ‘wise’ when he has impoverished his own dominions in order to enrich mine?”

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Yes but the problem is if we return to a Caliphate it will resemble more like Taliban in Afghanistan than the Baghdad in 11th Century.

Arabs, Muslims back then were thinkers, intellectualists, educated, they debated philosophy, science, art, medicine, astronomy, math, etc...

They treated Jews, Christians kindly..

They didn't beleive in ridicilous conspiracy theories nor used passages from the Quaran out of context to malign Jews and Christians

The problem today is that most Arabs, muslims are some of the most un-educated people on the planet. If they are allowed to form a Caliphate, it will fall apart from in-fighting, and blaming everything on the Jews

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Basically for the same reason it fell apart earlier as well. infighting..
forget rulers, forget as our hizb ul tahrir folks would call them western puppets, what about our supposed religious scholars, they cant agree between shia sunni, deobandi, barelv, ismaili and what nots, which islamic system would the caliphate be based on.

Brochure likhwa lo hizb ul teetars say :)

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The Khilafah ruling system implements the whole of Islam, thus Islam and the Muslims depend on it. It is not just one fard but the mechanism through which Islam is implemented. This is why the Prophetic calender of the Muslims starts with Yr 1 Hijri. What the Hijrah signifies is the leaving behind of the Makkan Shirk and the establishment of Islam in Madina as a governing system. So year 1 Hijri begins from the first day of Islamic Government, not from the date of first revelation, or the Prophets (saw) birth as it could have done, and as the Christians practice. Thus anyone who makes excuses for this issue will be neglecting the biggest duty in Islam, to establish the Deen. The death of Jahillyyah will be upon him and so it is Fard to work with those who know about the Khilafah and who are working for it according to the methodology of the Prophet (saw), and this is the biggest duty upon the Muslims today above all else. Nobody can claim that this is an impossible task as Allah (swt) promises the victory of the believers and confirms:

“Allah has promised those amongst you who believe and work righteous deeds, that he will indeed grant them inheritance of power in the earth, as he granted it to those before them; that he will establish in authority their Deen, which he has chosen for them, and that he will change their state from a state of fear into a state of security and peace. They will worship me alone and not associate
partners with me, and those who reject faith after this, they will be the rebellious and the wicked” TMQ (an-Noor :55)

Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal extracted that Huthayfah said the Messenger of Allah (saw) said:“The Prophecy will remain amongst you as long as Allah wills, then Allah will lift it when he wishes, then it will be a Khilafah Rashidah (i.e.: The first four Khalifahs) on the method of the Prophecy, it will remain for as long as Allah wills, then he will lift it when he wills, then it will be a hereditary leadership (i.e.: the Abbasid and Ummayid dynasties etc.) for as long as Allah wills then he will lift it when he so wills. Then there will be a tyrannical rule (i.e.: all the current Kufr regimes of the Muslims) for as long as Allah wills, then he will lift it when he so wills, then there will be a Khilafah Rashidah on the method of the Prophecy, then he kept silent.”
(Musnad Imam Ahmed 4/273)
and concerning the liberation of Masjid al-Aqsa from the Jews, the Prophet (saw) said,

“Two Hijrah’s will take place, and the latter will be to the place where your father Ibrahim may peace be upon him had immigrated (i.e.: Palestine)”

Note: Hijrah occurs when Muslims emigrate from Kufr lands to the Islamic state.
Subsequently, nobody can claim that this task is an impossible one as it has been promised success by Allah (swt) and his Messenger (saw). All that remains is for the faithful to rush to carry out this noble work and to carry the da’wah to this ummah and remind her of her Deen.

Imam Ahmed reported in his Musnad (5/35) that the Messenger (saw) said:

“If the people of as-sham (Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria) went astray then there would be no goodness amongst you, but however there will continue to be a group supported from my ummah, and they will not be bothered by those who disapproved until the day of Judgement”.
May Allah make us from that group, and support us in re-establishing his Deen on his earth. Ameen.

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when people vote for the corrupt rulers of today do they think before voting who is the man who they are voting for (shia sunni, deobandi, barelv, ismaili). Infact everyone is a Muslim and anyone who want to establish Islam as The Prophet Muhammad SAW did and work hard within the communities and tell people including minorties the just system of Islam will one day establish Islam as a way of way, and remember help comes from Allah when you work hard and strive in his path.