Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is descendant of Prophet Mohammed

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I know that it is hard for people invested in a hard East/ West dichotomy to imagine that the icon of Western civilization, the British royal family, has Arab Muslim antecedents (along with a host of other nationalities of course.) But it does.

The Greater Mediterranean got all mixed up over millennia. Most Sicilians (i.e. most Italian-Americans) also have Arab Muslim ancestors. It works the other way around, too. It is obvious that a lot of Egyptians, Lebanese and Jordanians have descent from the Christian European Crusaders.

This is connected to just pointing out that having ancestors named Hussein is more common among Europeans and Americans than is usually realized. Elizabeth II can’t be descended from the Prophet Muhammad without also being descended from his grandson, the original Husayn / Hussein, since that is the line of descent of the Sayyids.

'United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE

Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth’s blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke’s Peerage, the geneological guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke’s, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ‘‘The royal family’s direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,’’ he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ‘‘It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.’’

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England’s 15th century King Edward IV. ’

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its a belief of a Muslim that "All mankind is descendant of Prophet Adam AS"

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Yes a muslim belief, but she is christian and her belief is not the same. Ah , religious idealogy.

And she in this case would be womankind :)

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Proud? I thought they’d be ashamed of it :hoonh:

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lol...so want to say Christian's belief is that they are not descendant of Prophet Adam AS?

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no we not ashamed, but we are also not proud of it.

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The antescendant lineage of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II was meant a a fact and not for religious purpose.

However, this brings into valid questions regarding the antescendants origin as per anthropological and scientific studies. Quite a conundrum.

The conundrum is , religion poses humans first appeared about 10,000 years on earth and yet human fossilized bones have been unearthed predating 10,000 years ago . Through carbon dating it has been discovered humans were in Australia as of 50,000 years ago. How does one reconcile scientific versus religious writings.

As an example below
Analysis of sediments at two grave sites at Lake Mungo confirms that Australia is the site of the world's oldest known burial with red ochre and the oldest cremation, and provides additional evidence that early humans first reached Australia about 50,000 years ago.
Mungo Man and Mungo Lady, as they are known to the local Aborigines, both died and were buried around 40,000 years ago, reports a team of scientists.

"Mungo Man and Mungo Lady are both the same age, inseparable in time," said Jim Bowler, a geomorphologist and professor at the University of Melbourne and lead author of the study. "We now have a picture of a real community on the lake shores at 40,000 years ago (plus or minus 2,000 years)."
Mungo Lady's cremated remains were discovered at Lake Mungo in 1969. Five years later, Bowler uncovered the skeleton of Mungo Man about 1,500 feet (450 meters) from Mungo Lady's grave.
The ages of the remains have been the focus of scientific inquiry—and dispute—for more than 25 years. Mungo Man's remains were estimated variously at 30,000 years old, and somewhere between 42,000 to 45,000 years old. Scientists estimated Mungo Lady to be 20,000 to 26,000 years old.
In 1999, scientists led by Alan Thorne, an anthropologist who had discovered Mungo Lady, extracted mitochondrial DNA from the bones of Mungo Man. The team determined that he was 62,000 years old. The results were extremely controversial.
Debate has been raging ever since. The multi-disciplinary team of scientists reporting in the February 20 issue of the journal Nature say not only did the burials occur close to the same time, they also question whether there were humans at the site 62,000 years ago.
"Our study shows that humans were present at Lake Mungo as early as 50,000 to 46,000 years ago," the authors write. "We find no evidence to support claims for human occupation or burials near 60,000 years ago." The dates matter because they have implications for determining when humans first left Africa, and where they went.

Further antropological and scientific findings:
In the human origins debate, which has been highly charged for at least 15 years, there is a consensus among scientists that Homo erectus, the precursor to modern humans, originated in Africa and expanded to Eurasia beginning around 1.7 million years ago.

Furthermore , the human migration from Africa.
Recent readings from National geographic I have come across the topic that anthropologists proposed ancestors of all modern humans lived in Africa some 150,000 thousand years ago. A fossilized skull found in a cave in palestine dated 100,000 years through carbon dating proves humans left at that time and migrated out of Africa (mesopotamia) and were in the middle east.
Perhaps for many this is not an issue but I often ponder about these two contrary propositions.

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I know Christians believe in Adam and Eve but they do not view him as a prophet, in non of my readings or studies has he been referred to as a prophet. He is believed to be a prophet only within the Islamic faith.

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uberalles, islam is a faith, no one can be muslim by blood.

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the main point was not him being first prophet or not, the point was him being the first man on earth and All mankind is descendant of Prophet Adam AS (acc to all Abrahamic religions) :)

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You are correct , but Adam as a prophet is not in the Judeo-Christian reference only in the Islamic.

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yep. so far my Biblical studies (i am also Christian and Islamic art student) no where revealed Adam as a prophet.

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So there was just Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) and no one else??! So that all Arabs who concered Spain were all Prophet's decendent? What crap!

I agree on that: "All mankind is descendant of Prophet Adam AS"
But not what this article states.

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Which religion said that?

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This site gives lineage of Queen Elizabeth II, I don’t see any connection there:
http://www.caulleycorner.com/qeii.html

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Even christians believe the same

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huh?

how many mistakes can one commite in one short sentence!

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Actually , that statement has much merit that Sicilians have lots of Arab blood in them mixed with roman ( italian) . Honor killings which is a cultural thing was performed in Sicily as per the arabic influence. Read history on honor killings , it will amaze you.

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Since I can’t copy and paste from my library , it is easy to do the research on the internet if one chooses to invest the effort. Here is some insightful historical relations of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II:

Some Ethnic Strains in the Royal Family As well as being the great family tree of Canadian history, the Royal Family also connects us directly with the wider panorama of recorded human history, embracing the four corners of the world and many of its races.

ARAB Queen Elizabeth II descends from the Muslims who created the Arab Andalusian civilisation of Spain. Since some of those people sprang from the family of the Prophet, The Queen herself is a descendent either directly or collaterally of Mohammed. When Her Majesty visited Morocco in 1980, the Moroccan media pointed out this Islamic ancestry of Canada’s Queen.

ARMENIAN The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from both the medieval Armenian Kings and from the earlier rulers of ancient Armenia.

AUSTRIAN (and SWISS) All the immediate Royal Family have Habsburg ancestors who came originally from Switzerland, and who created the state of Austria.

BELGIAN Although the modern Belgian state dates only from 1830, the Belgian cultural heritage is that of old Burgundy. The famous Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, is a direct ancestor of Charles the Prince of Wales. Pictures also show that the Prince and Charles the Bold look remarkably alike.

BYZANTINE GREEK The Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip) has the blood of the Angeloi and Sommenoi Emperors of the East as well as the famous Palaeologus Sovereigns of Byzantium in his veins.

CHINESE During the visit of Queen Elizabeth II to China in 1986, articles published in the Chinese media traced Her Majesty’s lineage to the Tang Dynasty who Emperors provided the Chinese Empire with a period of great peace, prosperity and artistic achievement.

CROATIAN The Croatian ancestry of The Queen included the House of Subic. Her Majesty is also descended from several Bans of Croatia.

CUMAN The Cumans originally lived in south Russia before being driven west into Hungary by the Mongols. Kutyen, their Khan, is an ancestor of Charles the Prince of Wales.

CZECH All the Bohemian Kings who left children are ancestors of the Prince of Wales.

DANISH Through the Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip) the Royal Family is Danish in the male line.

DUTCH William the Silent, Prince of Orange and founder of the Dutch state, is a forebear of the Prince of Wales (Charles).

ENGLISH Charles the Prince of Wales descends from every English King who left descendants except Charles I, Charles II and James II. The Prince’s son, Prince William of Wales, is a descendant several times over of Charles I, Charles II and James II through his mother Diana, Princess of Wales.

FRENCH Queen Elizabeth II is descended from Saint Louis, who was King Louis IX, the most famous medieval King of France, and from many other Carolingian, Capetian and Valois Sovereigns. Prince William of Wales, through his mother Diana, is descended five times over from Henri IV, King of France, who sent Champlain to Canada and who by insisting that commercial activities in the new land be accompanied by settlement laid the original foundations of the French-speaking community of Canada.

GEORGIAN Now once again an independent country, Georgia was a kingdom as long ago as the days of the Greco-Roman world. The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from many of its monarchs, ancient and modern.

GERMAN German ancestry makes up a good part of the Royal Family’s background. Included in it are the great medieval Emperors and the dynasties of Bavaria, Saxony, Hesse, Baden, Mecklenburg, Wurttemberg, Brunswick and Anhalt, as well as such famous families as Hohenlohe, Molkte and Trauttmansdorf. Frederick the Great was an ancestral uncle of the Duke of Edinburgh (Philip).

IRISH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother brought the blood of the Dal Cais and Eoganacht dynasties of Munster and that of the Ui Neill High Kings into the Royal Family. The Prince of Wales (Charles) also descends from Brian Boru, Nial of the Nine Hostages and the Iron Age sacral Kings of Tara.

ITALIAN The Duke of Savoy, the medieval Kings of Sicily, the Orsini of Rome, the Visconti of Milan, the della Scala of Verona, the Doria of Genoa and the Gonzaga of Mantua are among the many Italian families who blood has come to Charles the Prince of Wales. The Royal House of Brunswick, after which New Brunswick was named and which everyone thinks of as German, was actually founded in Germany by an Italian named Azzo II, Marques of Este.

JEWISH The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from the Colonna family who were Jewish in origin. He has also a descent from the Khazars (see below) who adopted Judaism as their religion. The Queen, her husband and her children have another Jewish descent from an historical figure named Makhir. Makhir was a Jewish Prince of the Davidic Royal House sent by Caliph Harun-al-Rashid as ambassador to the Emperor Charlemagne at the end of the 9th century. Makhir remained in Europe where he founded a family, one of whose descendants marries into the medieval English Royal Family.

KHAZAR The Khazars formed a powerful state between the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic world. The Queen is descended from Menu Morat, Elteber of te Bihar Khazars.

LITHUANIAN The Queen is a descendant of Gedimin, the last pagan King of the Lithuanians who died in 1341.

MONGOL The Prince of Wales (Charles) certainly has Mongol blood and is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan. This relationship provides the Royal Family with another link to China, for Genghis Khan’s grandson Kublai Khan became Emperor of China and founder of its Yuan Dynasty.

NORWEGIAN Harold Haardrade, King of Norway, and the old Norse jarls of Orkney are ancestors of the Prince of Wales (Charles).

PERSIAN Through his mother, Prince William of Wales descends from Arsakes Vologaeses V Dikaios Epiphanes Philhellen, sacral King of Parthia, of the Parthian Royal House of Arsaces who ruled Persia (Iran), Mesopotamia and Babylon. The Parthian kings in turn claimed descent from the earlier Achaemenid Dynasty. If true, that relationship would make Prince William a descendant of Cyrus the Great and establish a blood link with classical Greece.

POLISH The original Piast Dynasty and Jagielonian Kings up to Sygmunt I (d. 1548) are all ancestors of the Prince of Wales (Charles). During her visit to Poland in 1996, The Queen made public reference to her Polish ancestors.

PORTUGUESE Alfonzo, Duke of Braganza (son of King John I) is an ancestor of the Royal Family. The Holy Constable who secured the independence of Portugal is also an ancestor several times over of Prince William of Wales.

ROMANIAN Queen Mary, grandmother of Elizabeth II, brought Romanian blood into the Royal Family as well as Hungarian. Thus The Queen is descended from Vlad Dracul, Prince of Wallachia and father of the original Dracula.

RUSSIAN The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from Peter the Great and Catherine the Great as well as the princes of the Rurik period. The later Russian Emperors right up to and including Nicholas II were close relatives of the Royal Family.

SCOTTISH King George VI (his grandfather) and the Duke of Edinburgh (his father) together have provided the Prince of Wales (Charles) with twenty-two descents from Mary Queen of Scots and over two hundred from Robert the Bruce.

SERBIAN Serbia’s greatest ruler, Emperor Stephan Dusan, and the first King of Serbia, Stephen I, are both ancestors of The Queen.

SPANISH Ferdinand and Isabella, sponsors of the discovery of America by Columbus, and the epic Spanish hero El Cid are among the notable Spanish Ancestors of Queen Elizabeth II.

SWEDISH Through the Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip), the Prince of Wales (Charles) is descended from the Peace Kings of Uppsala and the rulers of Sweden in the age of the sagas, as well as many other historic figures of that land.

UKRAINIAN Elizabeth II is 31st in direct descent from Volodymyr Monomachus ruler of the Ukraine.

WELSH As befits a Prince of Wales, Charles is descended from Llywelyn the Great and most of the Welsh kings and princes back to the time the Romans left Britain.
http://www.monarchist.ca/new/docs/ethnic.html

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actually not so wrong,

By the ninth century, Moors (Arabs) from North Africa were raiding Sicily. In 827, they attacked in force at the western end of the island and another conquest had begun. By 903, all of Sicily was in Saracen hands, controlled principally by three emirs, and Islam was the official religion. The Saracens were an Arab people, originally nomadic, related to the the Moors. They tolerated Christianity and Judaism in Sicily, without encouraging either. In Sicily, the Saracens were rulers rather than colonizers, masters rather than governors. Because Islamic law could be harsh to non-believers, many Sicilian Orthodox converted, though precise numbers are not known. However, it must be said Arabic society and culture were advanced; under the Saracens the city of Panormus became Palermo and its splendor was said to rival that of Baghdad. For the first time in Sicily's history, the lemon and the orange were cultivated, complex irrigation systems were developed, and sophisticated mathematics introduced.
In 1061, a Norman lord named Roger de Hauteville crossed the Strait of Messina with his brothers and several hundred knights from Normandy, Lombardy and Southern Italy, defeating the Saracen garrison and establishing a foothold under cover of darkness. Unlike their Viking forebears, the Normans were unaccustomed to naval combat. Therefore, the conquest of Messina against Arab foes would serve as the blueprint for the battle at Hastings against the Saxons a few years later, and several knights actually fought at both battles. *This was Roger's second attempt to land at Messina and, though it was successful, Palermo was still far away. It was captured only in 1071 following another epic battle. Sicily was again part of Europe.
Styled "Count of Sicily" by his knights, Roger brought the feudal system to his new dominion. His rule also brought **with it religious freedom, multicultural artistic expression and national sovereignty. There was no serfdom and very little slavery. **There were mosques, synagogues and plenty of *churches](javascript:openWin('church.htm');), English bishops and Saracen imams. The Sicilians who didn't speak Sicilian or Arabic dialects spoke Norman French, and court decrees were issued in several languages, including Latin, Greek and Arabic. Count Roger's son, Roger II, was crowned King of Sicily in 1130 and ruled a dominion that included most of Italy south of Rome, with Palermo as its capital. It was the wealthiest realm of Europe, whose monarch wore Byzantine robes in the manner of an Eastern Emperor and kept a private harem in the style of an Arab emir. A mosaic in the Martorana Church depicts Roger clad as a Byzantine monarch wearing a robe of golden fleurs-de-lis on a blue field, the earliest known representation of what eventually became the heraldic symbol of the French kings. His descendant, King William II of Sicily, wed Joan, daughter of Henry II of England.

History is amazing it it not? Love it, just love it.

Want to know more , just type in the name Roger de Hauteville. Try the library. This was an amazing victory . Really a great time of historical battles.