Girls, I am curious… There are a few interesting threads around regarding women, equality and the role of a man. How advanced is the educated professional women of today? (Brit/American/desi)… By being and ensuring equality in the home and at work are we emasculating our men? What is the wider consensus? How do does the women of the twenty first century want to b seen? And do you think that by being a strong woman people view your spouse as henpecked… Or truly liberal and man who isn’t insecure in the presence of a strong woman?
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He's not much of a "man" if he's threatened by the presence of strong women. Similary, a woman isn't a feminazi for speaking up. Why are we so obsessed with traditional gender roles anyway? A woman isn't a cheap ho if she is doing more than cooking, clearning, and popping out babies. A man isn't a Namard if he's a stay-at-home dad, romantic, and sensitive.
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When our grandparents and parents migrated from Pakistan, the roles were very much that the woman stays at home, the man goes out to work. Fast foward to the 21st century and a new generation, with a new identity, those roles are a thing of the past. We've always been moulded by those around us, and if those around us regard a woman working and being independent as a normal thing, then nobody will regard her spouse as henpecked for allowing her to be like that. It is more likely that he will be considered as henpecked if he doesn't allow her to do those things.
As for the man who is intimidated in the presence of a strong woman....well, he should just stay single. A woman can be strong with strong opinions even if she doesn't get an education, imo.
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We've always been moulded by those around us, and if those around us regard a woman working and being independent as a normal thing, then nobody will regard her spouse as henpecked for allowing her to be like that. It is more likely that he will be considered as henpecked if he doesn't allow her to do those things.
Allowing her.... ? I think if the underlying premise of our thinking is IF HE ALLOWS HER...then we couldn't have moved tht far from our grandparents generations.
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He's not much of a "man" if he's threatened by the presence of strong women. Similary, a woman isn't a feminazi for speaking up. Why are we so obsessed with traditional gender roles anyway? A woman isn't a cheap ho if she is doing more than cooking, clearning, and popping out babies. A man isn't a Namard if he's a stay-at-home dad, romantic, and sensitive.
She is not much of a "woman" if she is threatened by sterotypical views held by others. Similary, a woman isn't backward or weak for not speaking up. Why are we so obsessed with deeming traditional gender roles as negative and backward anyway? A woman isn't a weak simpleton if she doing some cooking, cleaning and popping out babies instead of looking to work.
And yes he is a namard :D
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People talking against the traditional gender roles, have you read UN's recent report on kids in Britain?
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Nope. They saying the Pakis are messing things up again?
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lol…no, it’s about British kids being the unhappiest kids in Europe despite the fact that Britain is the richest nation in whole of Europe, basically majority of both parents are working and hence end up not having even the bit of quality time with their kids.
Here’s the link: http://www.periscopepost.com/2011/09/a-nation-of-consumers-uk-children-spoilt-rotten-says-unicef/
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She is not much of a "woman" if she is threatened by sterotypical views held by others. Similary, a woman isn't backward or weak for not speaking up. Why are we so obsessed with deeming traditional gender roles as negative and backward anyway? *A woman isn't a weak simpleton if she doing some cooking, cleaning and popping out babies instead of looking to work. *
And yes he is a namard :D
i am totally agreed here..........
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are women taking over the world?
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Allowing her.... ? I think if the underlying premise of our thinking is IF HE ALLOWS HER...then we couldn't have moved tht far from our grandparents generations.
Great dissection skills!! :D
I suppose it is allowing her....if a husband didn't want his wife to work, whilst she wanted too, then there would be so many problems within the marital home. It'd probably end up in divorce. So, the woman will probably not go to work, in order to save her marriage. I don't see the problem with all of that, as long as he provides for her, and doesn't expect her to be house-bound. I guess I could have used the words 'fine' or 'okay'.
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Girls, I am curious... There are a few interesting threads around regarding women, equality and the role of a man. How advanced is the educated professional women of today? (Brit/American/desi)... By being and ensuring equality in the home and at work are we emasculating our men? What is the wider consensus? How do does the women of the twenty first century want to b seen? And do you think that by being a strong woman people view your spouse as henpecked... Or truly liberal and man who isn't insecure in the presence of a strong woman?
Western men are emasculated, most of them anyways. There has been plenty of writing on this, as well as documentaries. It's actually better for guys who aren't emasculated as other men look like chodes. And when I say "not emasculated", I don't mean wife beating, chauvinist, I mean someone who will take a stand for himself. Despite what women in this thread will say, more women take advantage of guys chasing after them than guys take advantage of women.
A strong woman should find a stronger man, that's why there are so many problems with couples nowadays. If you're a blue collar guy, don't marry a girl who's a surgeon, it's bound to cause problems. It's not a threatened thing either, women themselves get annoyed when/if they want to take time off for kids and can't because she's the primary bread winner. Now this is a wide generalization, and there are couples who defy this notion, but in general I think it's true.
He's not much of a "man" if he's threatened by the presence of strong women. Similary, a woman isn't a feminazi for speaking up. Why are we so obsessed with traditional gender roles anyway? A woman isn't a cheap ho if she is doing more than cooking, clearning, and popping out babies. A man isn't a Namard if he's a stay-at-home dad, romantic, and sensitive.
Who said a woman is a "ho" for speaking up? The problem is when women take any slight as a sexist comment and try to "stand up for their rights" at every opportunity. Just look at the kind of crap feminists can say about men, in public, without repercussion. If a man said those things, those same feminazis would be outraged.
Look at the commercials that perpetually show the man as the dimwit, men getting hurt etc for comedy. If someone hit a woman, even if it wasn't hard, then it's no longer funny is it? These men's rights groups wouldn't need to exist if the feminists hadn't gone too far.
Traditional gender roles work. It's more efficient for one person to run the house, and the other person to work as long as necessary. That said, if the couple prefers that the man stay at home, that's their decision. I wouldn't be comfortable with that but I don't really care what others do.
are women taking over the world?
No, because they hate each other. Cattiness is nature's power check. And no, I'm not kidding.
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^Ju missed the point... Not all feminists scrutinize men for every sexist comment that comes out of their mouth. As a matter of fact, real feminists don't care about what men say about them. They have bigger things to worry about. Besides, feminism is equated with women whining for little things. Can we please stop with the B.S? Real feminists don't whine about little crap. Call them for what they are- whiners.
As for traditional roles, yes they work. The problem is with people accepting the fact that roles CAN BE reversed and work just as fine...
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To some of the posters on here pretty much any woman who doesn't live with inlaws or goes to work is a 'feminazi'.. It's beyond ridiculous..
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^Ju missed the point... Not all feminists scrutinize men for every sexist comment that comes out of their mouth. As a matter of fact, real feminists don't care about what men say about them. They have bigger things to worry about. Besides, feminism is equated with women whining for little things. Can we please stop with the B.S? Real feminists don't whine about little crap. Call them for what they are- whiners.
As for traditional roles, yes they work. The problem is with people accepting the fact that roles CAN BE reversed and work just as fine...
You only consider the non-whiners to be feminists but I don't consider them to be feminists at all, just mature, sensible women. Feminism as a political force (i.e. legal equality) has accomplished its goals so when I see someone who calls themselves a feminist I can't help but think they are whiners.
Given the number of immature women who consider themselves feminists, I think you do other women a disservice by lumping them in with those crazies. Standing up for the rights of men or women is something a good citizen should do, standing up for perceived/imaginary legal inequalities, for women only, is being a whiner.
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You only consider the non-whiners to be feminists but I don't consider them to be feminists at all, just mature, sensible women. Feminism as a political force (i.e. legal equality) has accomplished its goals so *when I see someone who calls themselves a feminist I can't help but think they are whiners. *
Then there you go.. You are prejudiced against feminist women. I talk about women's rights here but it doesn't mean I am a feminist. I am just as against slavery, racism, violence, and other things. Yet I get called a feminazi by men because they DON'T understand it
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Given the number of immature women who consider themselves feminists, I think you do other women a disservice by lumping them in with those crazies. Standing up for the rights of men or women is something a good citizen should do, standing up for perceived/imaginary legal inequalities, for women only, is being a whiner.
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It's imaginary TO YOU because you are not affected by it. Simple.
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Then there you go.. You are prejudiced against feminist women. I talk about women's rights here but it doesn't mean I am a feminist. I am just as against slavery, racism, violence, and other things. Yet I get called a feminazi by men because they DON'T understand it
It's imaginary TO YOU because you are not affected by it. Simple.
That's not fair. I'm against racism and some rednecks will never accept me but I don't consider myself Martin Luther King or a civil rights activist because I believe in equality for all. You can't go around changing people's personal beliefs through force or being in their face. You can only ask that the government recognize you as an equal and that the attitudes of those people change with time.
You yourself admitted that women have too many legal rights so why don't I see feminists joining the men's rights movements? Aren't they for equality for everyone? No, they are not. They're still fighting for rights that they apparently don't have. Why would you want to be associated with these people?
I feel like you've had some bad experiences. I personally have not seen the kind of injustices you're talking about. I'll admit that my father is very progressive so I've never seen my mom being held back or anything of that nature so perhaps what you consider to be something to strive for, I consider normal treatment of women.
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That's not fair. I'm against racism and some rednecks will never accept me but I don't consider myself Martin Luther King or a civil rights activist because I believe in equality for all. You can't go around changing people's personal beliefs through force or being in their face. You can only ask that the government recognize you as an equal and that the attitudes of those people change with time.
You yourself admitted that women have too many legal rights so why don't I see feminists joining the men's rights movements? Aren't they for equality for everyone? No, they are not. They're still fighting for rights that they apparently don't have. Why would you want to be associated with these people?
I feel like you've had some bad experiences. I personally have not seen the kind of injustices you're talking about. I'll admit that my father is very progressive so I've never seen my mom being held back or anything of that nature so perhaps what you consider to be something to strive for, I consider normal treatment of women.
Dude, I am not a self proclaimed feminist. Wo kehte hain na your perception is your reality. Feminist is what I get called anytime I open my mouth. Given my desi background, I only see women being cheated out of their rights. So naturally, that's what I would speak up against more often than other things.
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As for the man who is intimidated in the presence of a strong woman....well, he should just stay single.
He's not much of a "man" if he's threatened by the presence of strong women. .
youre missing the point. its not that men are 'intimidated by strong women' ...very often its just that they are not **interested **in pursuing them for relationships and settling down. Women need to do some introspection to figure out why that is the case...strength and independence are not undesirable qualities at all.