Help to find shirk..

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So one of my colleague has given a sweeping statement about two popular Qawwalis / Manqabat, that they are full of shirk.

(i) Khwaja Mere Khwaja - Jodha Akbar

(ii) Piya Haji Ali - Fiza

After giving statement he referred my name to confirm and I was ‘How come?’. I don’t find anything shirkiya in that. The guy insisted and I told him to listen these again. I listened ‘Khwaja Mere Khwaja’ today and didn’t find anything objectionable.
Here are the lyrics:
**khwaja ji khwaja
khwaja ji ee ee ee khwaja ji, khwaja ji
ya gharib nawaj, ya gharib nawaj
ya gharib nawaj, ya gharib nawaj
ya moinuddin, ya moinuddin, ya moinuddin
ya khwaja ji ee ee, ya khwaja ji ee ee
ya khwaja ji ee ee, ya khwaja ji ee ee
ya khwaja ji ee ee
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja
shaaho ka shaah too, ali ka dulaara
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja
shaaho ka shaah too, ali ka dulaara
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja
bekaso ki takdir tune hai sawari
bekaso ki takdir tune hai sawari
khwaja mere khwaja

tere darbar me khwaja noor toh hai dekha aa aa aa
tere darbar me khwaja sar jhukate hai auliya
too hai unaalwali khwaja, rutba hai pyara
chaahane se tujhko khwaja ji mustafa ko paya
khwaja mere khwaja khwaja, khwaja, dil me sama ja aaja khwaja
shaaho ka shaah too, ali ka dulaara

mere peer ka sadka, mere peer ka sadka
hai mere peer ka sadka, tera daaman hai thama
khawaja ji ee ee ee
tali har bala hamaari, chhaaya hai khumar tera
jitna bhi rashk kare beshak, toh kam hai ai mere khwaja
tere kadmo ko mere rehnuma nahi chhod na gawaara
khwaja mere khwaja khwaja, khwaja, dil me sama ja sama ja
shaaho ka shaah too, ali ka dulaara
khwaja mere khwaja khwaja, khwaja, dil me sama ja sama ja
shaaho ka shaah too, ali ka dulaara
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja
bekaso ki takdir tune hai sawari
bekaso ki takdir tune hai sawari
khwaja mere khwaja, dil me sama ja khwaja ji
shaaho ka shaah too, ali ka dulaara khwaja ji
khwaja ji, khwaja ji, khwaja ji, khwaja ji**

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Re: Help to find shirk..

Brother Muqawwee, I feel whenever there's an element that seeks to give a higher than human status to a human, and seeks help with the belief that the person being sough has the power to do something for the seeker's affair leans towards Shirk.

First and foremost, who does the poem refer to as khwaja?

A lot of the poetry may be good, and uplifting in spirits. But we must remain true to tawheed and be willing to let go if it involves elements of shirk.

My poetic skills are very much elementary or even below that level, so i may mistranslate but please help me understand what this verse means;

**tali har bala hamaari, chhaaya hai khumar tera
jitna bhi rashk kare beshak, toh kam hai ai mere khwaja

**I say this for myself foremost, I personally steer away from anything that seeks remedy through others, especially the dead. Why even entertain the idea when Allah (s.w.t) listens, remains closer than jugular vein, and has the ways to help unlike any other being. Seek from Allah, and ask Allah to appoint help through others in the dunya as an avenue of worldly relief. Allahu Aalim. That's just what I feel. I do not know the intention of the poet, nor the direction of the poetry.

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Re: Help to find shirk..

To begin with, even the very start is shirkiya (if you are willing to split hair). "Ya" is only used as a call to someone who is present and hazir. That is why, technically only ya khuda and ya Allah is correct. Ya Mohammed, Ya Ali, Ya ghous Paak, Ya Khawaja - all are associating the quality to these humans, which is specific to Allah

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'dil meN samaa jaa'...belief and iiman should reside in the heart...it's Allah's residence, no one can cohabit this place...no one except Him.

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Which particular line do you think meet the criteria 'that the person being sough has the power to do something for the seeker's affair leans towards Shirk'?

Is it **bekaso ki takdir tune hai sawari? **The line I was expecting to be picked for terming as shirkiya.

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First and foremost, who does the poem refer to as khwaja?

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Khwaja Moinudin (RA)

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A lot of the poetry may be good, and uplifting in spirits. But we must remain true to tawheed and be willing to let go if it involves elements of shirk.

My poetic skills are very much elementary or even below that level, so i may mistranslate but please help me understand what this verse means;

**tali har bala hamaari, chhaaya hai khumar tera
jitna bhi rashk kare beshak, toh kam hai ai mere khwaja

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I think poetically first line is just referring to state of peace that devotees get while being in company of their Peer. When you revere someone then start praising that person, be it your ordinary lover or the person you consider your spiritual leader. The second line refers to such praise.

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I say this for myself foremost, I personally steer away from anything that seeks remedy through others, especially the dead. Why even entertain the idea when Allah (s.w.t) listens, remains closer than jugular vein, and has the ways to help unlike any other being. Seek from Allah, and ask Allah to appoint help through others in the dunya as an avenue of worldly relief. Allahu Aalim. That's just what I feel. I do not know the intention of the poet, nor the direction of the poetry.

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South Asia got a history of Khanqah and Pir-Mureed relationships. Do you know why psychiatrists have not that great business in our part of the world as west? I think one of the reason is people have had opportunity to relieve by visiting these Mazars and listening to such qawwalis, which directly / indirectly state their sorrows.

I DO NOT think that any of the people visiting Mazars are the poets consider these auliya equal to Allah.

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Re: Help to find shirk..

if thats baal ki khal then it okay. But I want to hear your personal opinion on that.

Quite strict. That is the desired level my dear, but even Quran demands love for the prophet (SAW). I'm not equating saints with prophets, but interpreting 'dil main sama ja' so strictly is beyond my understanding.

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Yes that was just baal kee khaal

Till few years ago, I would argue that my baal kee khaal is a valid argument. Over last couple of years, I have changed my point of views. I dont think that any muslim, on purpose is going to do shirk, and Allah is not sitting there micromanaging every word of ours to charge us with shirk or not. The point is simple. If the intention of poet was to commit shirk, then it is. If it was not his intention, then its not.

Another point is this that its not our place to classify people mushrik aur kaafir. Its Allah's job. I have my own sins to worry about rather than calling others blasphemous, mushrik, murtid or kaafir.