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Pakistan Supreme Court: President Election Should Proceed As Planned
ISLAMABAD (AP)–Pakistan’s Supreme Court ruled Friday that the weekend election expected to extend President Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s eight-year rule can proceed as planned.** Presiding Justice Javed Iqbal rejected an appeal from Musharraf’s opponents for a delay, saying that “the election process should continue as per schedule.”
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CNN is speculating that it is rather conveniant political timing. SC to decide on 17th, BB to return the next day. Everyone knows Musharraf will win, so he will claim the Presidency for another 5 years on that basis, especially as they are letting him stand in uniform, and from these assemblies.
I agree with this view point...
I think it is a victory for the General as the court has not stopped him from contesting the election in uniform....
For opposition also court has also given some face saving....
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Crash course in independent-minded judiciary as well. :)
I think judiciary is more confused than independent. I said while back that the SC doesn't want direct confrontation with military government, and that is whats happening.
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Whatever the "final" ruling on the 17th the Supreme Court has set two precedents. It has:-
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Whatever the "final" ruling on the 17th the Supreme Court has set two precedents. It has:-
Here is what if kind of scenario. On Oct. 17 court could say Mushrraf can't be a president b/c of 2 years retirement requirement, but let the election results stand and say the guy with 2nd most votes gets the presidency ( kind of like Gore vs Bush in 2000). In which case Makdoom Amin Fahim will become the president. Can that happen and if so what will Mushrraf do?
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That is unlikely to happen, especially as Fahim is only likely to get about 15% of the electoral college votes in total. Bush and Gore were pretty much neck and neck. So allowing Fahim to become President by default with just 15% of the votes (and disqualifying Musharraf with 55% of the votes) would be a big joke. The dilema for the Supreme Court will come after the actual election is completed tomorrow, namely:-
Article 41 (6) of the Constitution of Pakistan.
The validity of the election of the President shall not be called in question by or before any court or other authority.
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Here is what if kind of scenario. On Oct. 17 court could say Mushrraf can't be a president b/c of 2 years retirement requirement, but let the election results stand and say the guy with 2nd most votes gets the presidency ( kind of like Gore vs Bush in 2000). In which case Makdoom Amin Fahim will become the president. Can that happen and if so what will Mushrraf do?
I ALREADY PREDICTED THIS SCENARIO YESTERDAY.
iT IS LIKELY IN MY OPINION....
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MORE SO THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE AMIN FAHIM ELECTION BY DEFAULT ON THIS GROUND THAT HE REPRESENTS ONLY 15% ELECTORATE…
REZA LEGALLY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF MUSHARAF IS DISQUALIFIED AFTER ELECTION…
THE QUESTION IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THIS SCENARIO HAPPENS…
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What sort of games is the SC playing? 
This is tricky again, the cat & mouse still on…
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Aray per I am sure I heard the Emperor make a qualified statement about accepting the verdicts of SC. Said so in Dawn News interview.
Will accept the decision of the SC?
We'll see what sort of decision it is.
Wa wa wee waa
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... THE QUESTION IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THIS SCENARIO HAPPENS...
Perhaps the wardi will stay longer...?
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Well, this is about qualification of an individuals to contest the election, and not about the election itself. If and individual is not qualify to contest election, than question of validity of election isn’t there.
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Perhaps the wardi will stay longer...?
I think Wardi after all this is unlikely scenario...
Anything else comes to your mind....
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Well, this is about qualification of an individuals to contest the election, and not about the election itself. If and individual is not qualify to contest election, than question of validity of election isn't there.
It's vice versa I think...
Elections can not be invalidated....An individual can be disqualified...
(2) A person shall not be qualified for election as President unless he is a Muslim of not less than forty-five years of age and is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly.
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The Supreme Court maybe indecisive, but it is not stupid. If it decides to disqualify Musharraf after he is re-elected, it will most likelly to order the Presidential Election be held again, rather than letting someone with just 15% of the votes become President by default. The new Presidential Election would be held by the next assemblies i.e. Feb/March 2008 until which time Musharraf would remain Presindent & COAS. I have said that all along. 
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Well, this is about qualification of an individuals to contest the election, and not about the election itself. If and individual is not qualify to contest election, than question of validity of election isn't there.
That's the thing. You usually decide an individual's eligibility and right to contest the election before the election, not after. It would have been better had they delayed the elections by some days and decided the elibility first, instead of tying themselves up in knots like this. I believe this only a temporay sop to the other side and will just declare Musharraf eligbile on the 17th. They have had weeks of deliberations on his eligibilty and the constitutional provisions around it, and have made their minds up that they will not take on the govt on this matter. Last Friday's decision was proof of that as well.
The decisions is 70% in Musharraf's favour, as they have allowed him to stand for election in uniform and by these assemblies. If he gets elected with a sound majority then overall the ruling will be 80% in his favour.
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That will amount to invalidating elections… An unconstitutional act !!!
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That's the thing. You usually decide an individual's eligibility and right to contest the election before the election, not after. It would have been better had they delayed the elections by some days and decided the elibility first, instead of tying themselves up in knots like this. I believe this only a temporay sop to the other side and will just declare Musharraf eligbile on the 17th. They have had weeks of deliberations on his eligibilty and the constitutional provisions around it, and have made their minds up that they will not take on the govt on this matter. Last Friday's decision was proof of that as well.
The decisions is 70% in Musharraf's favour, as they have allowed him to stand for election in uniform and by these assemblies. If he gets elected with a sound majority then overall the ruling will be 80% in his favour.
If they wanted to decalre him eligible they would have done so before the elections. They have completed all the delibrations.....Remember Falak Sher remarks...
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I think the part about not letting the results to be announced till the 17th is highly amusing. As if no one will know the expected result anyway. 
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Reza I like your avataar…
Changing colours are like political scenario in our country…