hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic steps?

It is equally important to hear the other camp as well…why Egyptian army and police took such drastic steps?..an interesting viewpoint. All of us are reacting on this sad incidence emotionally. No one can justify using such brutality but there are always 2 sides to every story. None of us understand the internal Egyptian politics … and we are simply relying on reactionary theories. lets be more objective instead of throwing emotional rants against the wall!**

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Brotherhood’s Scorched-Earth
Strategy Provokes More Bloodshed

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       Muslim Brotherhood members and supporters of ousted Egyptian  President Mohammed Morsi flee from tear gas and rubber bullets fired by  riot police during clashes, on a bridge in Cairo, Aug. 14, 2013. (photo  by REUTERS/Amr Abdallah Dalsh) 


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By: **[Wael Nawara for Al-Monitor](http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/contents/authors/wael-nawara.html)**          Posted on  **     August 14**.




    The conflict between the state of Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood has  reached a deadly point. After weeks of anticipation, on Wednesday  morning [Aug. 14] police moved in to clear two Brotherhood encampments  in Giza and east of Cairo. Police moved alongside bulldozers that  removed barricades and sand fortifications erected by the pro-Morsi  supporters. The operation was mostly covered live by Egyptian state TV  and several other private stations. Al-Nahda, the much smaller sit-in,  was also the easier site to disperse. The Rabia al-Adawiya sit-in was  much tougher, but it was mostly cleared by sunset.  The death toll from  the Rabia al-Adawiya sit-in in Nasr City reached 202, with 87 reported  deaths from the al-Nahda site, [according to a Health Ministry spokesman](http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/16/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=1&hp). The total death toll nationwide stood at 525, including 43 security troops, [according to the latest Health Ministry figures](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=AP). 
 **About This Article**

    In the morning, security released information that it has intercepted  communications from Muslim Brotherhood leaders who commanded their  members to wage a wave of attacks on police stations and government  facilities. During the day, these threats were realized with several  police stations stormed, and government buildings and military  installations attacked. More than [40 churches](http://www1.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=1204849&SecID=12)  and several Christian schools were also attacked and some set on fire  in six governorates. Muslim Brotherhood members further attempted to  block several key roads in Cairo, Giza, Alexandria among other places  around Egypt.
  In Egypt, if you ask a question, you are often answered with another  question. So, to the question, “Why was it so necessary to clear these  sit-ins fully knowing that the blood toll was to be so high?” the answer  would be, “If it's not too important, why did the Muslim Brothers’  react by setting the whole country on fire?”
  For six weeks, yard by yard, the Rabia al-Adawiya encampment expanded  its borders, creeping to claim kilometer after kilometer of neighboring  streets, including the Autostrade road, which connects Nasr City and the  rest of Cairo to the city’s airport. Until one day, Rabia al-Adawiya  was no longer a sit-in, but a sprawling town, even a city-state, with  fortifications, internal police force, complete with torture camps and  border control officials. [Rabia al-Adawiya came to manifest the Muslim Brotherhood’s “Parallel State.”](http://today.almasryalyoum.com/article2.aspx?ArticleID=4347)  
  The White House condemned “the use of violence against protesters,”  urging the government and “all parties in Egypt to refrain from violence  and resolve their differences peacefully.” Mohamed ElBaradei, Egypt’s  vice president for international relations, resigned, similarly  signaling his disapproval of the bloodshed. But the National Salvation  Front (NSF), which ElBaradei led until recently, praised the police and  the government for their actions on Wednesday. [In February, ElBaradei came out rejecting participation in elections under Morsi’s rule,](http://www.acus.org/egyptsource/lose-lose-gamble-asymmetric-conflict-between-egypt%E2%80%99s-muslim-brotherhood-and-opposition-0)  practically preempting the NSF’s internal deliberations on the matter.  As a result, NSF came under moral pressure to announce a similarly  “revolutionary” stance, also boycotting elections. But really, when you  reject elections, and hope for military intervention siding with massive  popular demands to remove a president, what did you think will happen  next?
  [As explained in a previous article for *Al-Monitor*, the conflict between the state of Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood’s “parallel state” had reached an existential phase,](http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/08/crisis-egypt-brotherhood-responsibility.html)  where for one to survive, the other had to go, at least ideologically  and organizationally. Over the past two and half years of the Egyptian  revolution, several sit-ins were dispersed in Tahrir and other squares,  with very few casualties, if any. It was never a big deal. But this was  not just a sit-in, this was the flashpoint in an 85-year conflict  between two states, the Muslim Brotherhood’s with its promised Caliphate  state and the Egyptian national state, the oldest state history has  known. Political factions can negotiate and split seats of power; people  from different races, faiths and walks of life can coexist, but two  states trying to govern the same people on the same piece of land cannot  be together. [This  is the nature of the conflict now in Egypt and this is one explanation  why the Brotherhood fights this battle as if it was Armageddon.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wael-nawara/the-ultimate-divide-and-t_b_215285.html)
  The Muslim Brotherhood has reached a point where it sees this as the  last battle — so, it's either win it or die as a “martyr,” which is  exactly the religious narrative used so passionately by Beltagy, Safwat  Hegazi and other Brotherhood leaders to emotionally charge their  supporters at Rabaa to pick from these bloody choices, victory or death.  And while many Brotherhood leaders are safely hiding far from the  martyrdom they had so poetically described to their supporters, we  should not expect the end of this conflict any time soon. The Muslim  Brotherhood elements all over the country are playing what could perhaps  be their final cards. Spreading chaos and pushing the country into  civil war. Toward that end, they are bringing out all their tricks. The  sectarian card started with burning churches and Christian missionary  schools, attacking shops and Christians' homes in Upper Egypt, hoping to  start wide sectarian battles. Another important card is the collapse of  security. To achieve that, Muslim Brotherhood members and Islamists  have managed so far to storm several police stations, releasing  prisoners and stealing arms. The government response was to impose a  state of emergency and night curfew for a month. 
  Was it worth it? This wide confrontation between the Egyptian state and  the Islamists took place several times before, most notably, when Sadat  was assassinated in 1981. Many people see this confrontation as  imminent and unavoidable — a[nd that if it was allowed to take place two or three years from now,](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wael-nawara/choosing-between-evils-eg_b_3525398.html)the  Muslim Brotherhood would have been able to infiltrate and split the  army, and hopes for restoring order without dividing the country would  have been slimmer. While we're now horrified by the death of hundreds,  if the country were in a state of a civil war in which two armies fight,  the death toll could climb from hundreds to hundreds of thousands.
  Imposing a state of emergency for a month shows that the government has  no illusions of a speedy and peaceful resolution to the situation. Will  the Egyptian state withstand this testing moment? The state, which is  in fact entrenched into the minds of Egyptians and their way of life,  has seen and lived to tell the stories of difficult days like this  before. Let us hope that Egypt, and every one of its people, lives to  tell this one.
  The conflict in Egypt is not a dispute over percentages of election  gains. It's not about who rules. It's rather about “what to rule”: the  state of Egypt — or the Brotherhood’s state.
  *[Wael Nawara](http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/contents/authors/wael-nawara.html) is  an Egyptian writer and activist. He is also the co-founder of Al Dostor  Party, the National Association for Change and El Ghad Party. Formerly  president of  the Arab Alliance for Freedom and Democracy, he was a  visiting fellow at the Institute of Politics, Kennedy School of  Government, Harvard University. On Twitter: @WaelNawara](https://twitter.com/WaelNawara)*

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Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

The fact of the matter is that Sisi's government is trying to provoke Muslim brotherhood, infact push them to open rebellion so as to portray that they are fighting against terrorists similar to whats happening in Syria.

Re: hear the other camp as well…why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

but ali what this artcile is saying that the muslim brotherhood was strengthening its parallel state position day by day for last 6 weeks if not more…i have been to cairo half dozen times… if the brotherhood had taken over the Autostrade road, which connects Nasr City and the rest of Cairo to the city’s airport, that would paralyze whole Cairo for all practical reasons…plusif Rabia al-Adawiya becomes a brotherhood fort, it will take much more state force to root it out…no state can allow itself to be surrounded in such position

justifying brutality is impossible but i do agree with the underlying theme that both camps have reached to an existential state.

Re: hear the other camp as well…why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

^ The salafists are supporting Sissi’s government. The country was already reeling in the aftermath of the revolution, but now the divisions have further deepened.

Muslim Brotherhood had somehow convinced the Islamists to become part of the democratic process, with the party out (and state power unleashed upon them) it would be very difficult from them to convince their cadres to remain peaceful for a long time. The present situation would convince the Islamists that democracy is not for them, hence armed struggle would be required to bring about shariah. Sissi on the other hand would try to provoke the party so as to lure them into terrorist acts, so as to convince the world that he is against terrorists (and justify his actions against them).

Egypt’s Salafist al-Nour party wields new influence on post-Morsi coalition | World news | theguardian.com

Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

You are much more ignorant than most others on egyptian politics. The article is written by a person from a party whose leader (Ayman Nour) was heard on national tv advocating spreading rumours of getting war planes to attack ethopia. So much for their credibility. Secondly, the tammarrud allaince against Morsi did much the same thing as pro morsi people did, that is protest till their demands are met. If army had not taken over, would you have advocated Morsi getting rid of them the same way as army did?

Re: hear the other camp as well…why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

hard to believe but politics is brutal…Egypt’s ex-President Mursi accused of complicity in death of protesters

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/08/19/Egypt-s-ex-President-Mursi-accused-of-complicity-in-death-of-protesters.html

Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

Agreed. Rumors of Mubarak being freed from Jail soon. Could this be the "deep state" re-asserting itself, and trying to return to the status quo?

Interesting side question: exactly who are Tamarod? Was the agitation against Morsi sponsored by this group in fact for the purpose of returning Mubarak back to power? They seem to be pro-Military, regardless of how brutal they are. I see many people who supported the protests against Morsi now distancing themselves from Tamarod...#duped? The Tamarod have called for the formation of vigilante squads to fight Morsi supporters. The Salafists are calling for peach, respect for the authority of the Army, and for all parties to return to the negotiating table. Wow...how topsy turvy can we get?

Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

no one is justifying army brutal actions and I said that in my post. I am not advocating army's brutal actions. I am just trying to understand their viewpoint.

the second point that you made is useless ...for you and millions like you who only want to hear a certain rhetoric, any viewpoint coming from other camp would be labeled "not-credible" for xyz reason. Nour was the first man to ever compete against Mubarak for the presidency of Egypt in 2005 and spent over 5 years in jail as well under Mubarak. So he is not exactly a miliatary puppet or an idiot the way you want us to believe.

Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step


Like trying to understand Taliban viewpoint?

Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

absloutely....back in 2003-05 time-frame i certainly tried that - to understand taliban's viewpont - when that issue was fresh. Not anymore after seeing gazallion permutations of taliban conflict and fully knowing taliban only understand one lingo..dnaday kee zaban.

Re: hear the other camp as well...why Egyptian army and police took such drastic step

I dont know which millions are u talking about, i state what i think, i dont throw around random articles without owning up, so talk to me and about what I say.

Ayman Nour is an idiot, his antics on national tv have shown him to be one.

So why don't you tell us what have you "understood" about the other side of story.