He says, he is God [Merged]

http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/

This is the story of a self styled God, Sai Baba, he shows some miracles, has a large followings in all continents and his school is one of the richest sects.

Who is he? A God or A Fraud?

To prove his holiness he has exploited many versions of established religions including Hindu and Islam. He shows some miracles like pouring ashes or watches from empty hands, and he has been challenged by magicians. (has never accepted the challenge.)

“This Sai has come in order to achieve the supreme task of uniting the entire mankind as one family through the bond of brotherhood, of affirming and illumining the Atmic Reality of each being in order to reveal the Divine, which is the basis on which the entire Cosmos rests. This Sai has come to instruct all to recognize the common Divine Heritage that binds man to man, so that man can rid himself of the animal and rise into the Divine, which is his goal. This Sai has come to show that Love - Prema - is the easiest way to reach the Divine.”24

Mohammad’ Prophecy…
According to an article published in “Two World’s” Magazine of London, an Iranian writer was irresistibly drawn to a huge volume in Tehran. This book, called The Ocean of Light, is in 25 volumes. It is claimed to be the collection of the discourses of Prophet Mohammed. Volume 13 of these discourses is called “Mehedi Moud” in Arabic, meaning “The Great Teacher that was promised.”17

He is a Fraud just like you ^^

:rotfl:

Yahudi, Please be more clear on what you want to discuss in this thread and in which direction you want to take it in. Thank you in advance.

--Samarra.

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He is a Fraud just like you ^^
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How the heck do you know that? How'd you like it if someone comes and tells your muhamad claiming to be prophet is a fraud? You believe what you want and let the Baba's followers believe what they want.

Well, if he is god, I am sure he created himself…Couldn’t he at least have given himself a better haircut? He looks like Don King on speed getting electric shocks…Bzzzt!

And where did they get this? :konfused:

He too says he is god…

I wonder how many more…:smack:

http://yahwehbenyahweh.com/index02.htm

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How the heck do you know that? How'd you like it if someone comes and tells your muhamad claiming to be prophet is a fraud? You believe what you want and let the Baba's followers believe what they want.
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i didnt see anybody stepping anybody's tail.... what happend here ?
-Salman

He is not the only one, there are many living and dead, who have declared divinity, frequent meetings with God or with some agents of God and have promised divinity to followers.
May be all of them are frauds.
Dear Kaleem, I welcome your accuses.

*God on the Brain *

By Liz Tucker
BBC Horizon

*Why do people experience religious visions? BBC Two's Horizon suggests that in some cases the cause may be a strange brain disorder. *

Controversial new research suggests that whether we believe in a God may not just be a matter of free will. Scientists now believe there may be physical differences in the brains of ardent believers.

Inspiration for this work has come from a group of patients who have a brain disorder called temporal lobe epilepsy. In a minority of patients, this condition induces bizarre religious hallucinations - something that patient Rudi Affolter has experienced vividly.

Despite the fact that he is a confirmed atheist, when he was 43, Rudi had a powerful religious vision which convinced him he had gone to hell.

"I was told that I had gone there because I had not been a devout Christian, a believer in God. I was very depressed at the thought that I was going to remain there forever."

Clinical evidence

**Gwen Tighe also has the disorder. When she had a baby, she believed she had given birth to Jesus. It was something her husband Berny found very difficult to understand.

"She said, isn't it nice to be part of the holy family? I thought, holy family? It then turned out she thought I was Joseph, she was Mary and that little Charlie was Christ." **

Professor VS Ramachandran, of the University of California in San Diego, believed that the temporal lobes of the brain were key in religious experience. He felt that patients like Rudi and Gwen could provide important evidence linking the temporal lobes to religious experience.

So he set up an experiment to compare the brains of people with and without temporal lobe epilepsy. He decided to measure his patients' changes in skin resistance, essentially measuring how much they sweated when they looked at different types of imagery.

What Professor Ramachandran discovered to his surprise was that when the temporal lobe patients were shown any type of religious imagery, their bodies produced a dramatic change in their skin resistance.

Quote:

The activity of specific neural circuits makes these patients more prone to religious belief

--Prof VS Ramachandran, University of California

"We found to our amazement that every time they looked at religious words like God, they'd get a huge galvanic skin response."

This was the very first piece of clinical evidence revealing that the body's response to religious symbols was definitely linked to the temporal lobes of the brain.

"What we suggested was that there are certain circuits within the temporal lobes which have been selectively activated in these patients and somehow the activity of these specific neural circuits makes them more prone to religious belief."

Scientists now believe famous religious figures in the past could also have been sufferers from the condition. St Paul and Moses appear to be two of the most likely candidates.

But most convincing of all is the evidence from American neurologist Professor Gregory Holmes. He has studied the life of Ellen G White, who was the spiritual founder of the Seventh-day Adventist movement. Today, the movement is a thriving church with over 12 million members.

*During her life, Ellen had hundreds of dramatic religious visions which were key in the establishment of the church, helping to convince her followers that she was indeed spiritually inspired. But Professor Holmes believes there may be another far more prosaic explanation for her visions. *

Head trauma

He has discovered that at the age of nine, Ellen suffered a severe blow to her head. As a result, she was semi-conscious for several weeks and so ill she never returned to school.

Following the accident, Ellen's personality changed dramatically and she became highly religious and moralistic.

And for the first time in her life, she began to have powerful religious visions.

Professor Holmes is convinced that the blow to Ellen's head caused her to develop temporal lobe epilepsy.

"Her whole clinical course to me suggested the high probability that she had temporal lobe epilepsy. This would indicate to me that the spiritual visions she was having would not be genuine, but would be due to the seizures."

Professor Holmes' diagnosis is a shattering one for the Seventh-day Adventist movement. Their spokesman, Dr Daniel Giang, is a neurologist as well as a member of the church.

He dismisses the claims, insisting the visions started too long after the accident to have been caused by it. He goes on to say: "Ellen White's visions lasted from 15 minutes to three hours or more. She never apparently had any briefer visions - that's quite unusual for seizures."

We will never know for sure whether religious figures in the past definitely did have the disorder but scientists now believe the condition provides a powerful insight into revealing how religious experience may impact on the brain.

They believe what happens inside the minds of temporal lobe epileptic patients may just be an extreme case of what goes on inside all of our minds.

For everyone, whether they have the condition or not, it now appears the temporal lobes are key in experiencing religious and spiritual belief.

Story from BBC NEWS:
news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-...865009.stm

I am extremely suspicious of people who have 'visions'.

'Fraud',yes most of them, who are not innocent nutters, are dangerous con men...fooling gullibles and fwding their own ambitious agenda in name of some unknown.

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How the heck do you know that? How'd you like it if someone comes and tells your muhamad claiming to be prophet is a fraud? You believe what you want and let the Baba's followers believe what they want.
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Tommy boy there have been many who claimed that. They were taken care of appropriately by Allah. I did not say that you cannot believe in what you want. You can bow down to a stone, elephant, snake, monkey, fire what ever the heck you think is god. It is fine by me. I was just trying to show Yahudi that he is a fraud. You see he is here to promote his specific agenda i.e. to promote hatred about Muslims.

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Tommy boy there have been many who claimed that. They were taken care of appropriately by Allah. I did not say that you cannot believe in what you want. You can bow down to a stone, elephant, snake, monkey, fire what ever the heck you think is god. It is fine by me. I was just trying to show Yahudi that he is a fraud. You see he is here to promote his specific agenda i.e. to promote hatred about Muslims.
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in india you can make any claim
there is no law agianst any relgious claim it is up to the people not to trust or give money.

I have two foolproof methods of finding out whether the person claiming divinity is truly divine or not…After all, divinity is supreme power and supreme power is control over all things…So here are my methods…

  1. Put the person claiming divinity in a cage with a hungry, raging lion or a tiger, and see if the divine power can subdue the animal…or…

  2. Put a .44 Magnum against the skull of the claimant and say, “dodge this…”:rocket:

In India people belive both Adwaita, Dwaita .
God can be qulality, God can be any where any time only you need attatitude and keen to search for it. you can find in you.
If you don't under stand, you have to travel miles and cross seven seas , even it take life time to get that bliss.

Will you try these “foolpoof methods” of yours on your god?

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Will you try these "foolpoof methods" of yours on your god?
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We are not challenging our god dude..... as we dont have any reason to.. talk about god if you got one..who ever it might be stone, cow or whatever... i have all the respect to your gods

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kaleem I was just trying to show Yahudi that he is a fraud. You see he is here to promote his specific agenda i.e. to promote hatred about Muslims.
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Kaleem its obvious the guy his Hindu and he has his name as Yahudi..... to bug us Muslims.. only Paki Muslims and some of the Hindi speaking Hindu’s know that ..What kind of relation we have with Jews...and we definitely don’t like these Yahudi'z and this guy is VERY WELL aware of this fact and did put his nick 'yahudi' purposley .. ..pathetic.....there are alot of insane people out there who just like to pick fights and try to intimadate other peoples religion and all
.. one one side gupistan doesnt tolerate any such things and indeed say.... "All sectarian discussions are out of bounds"... And one person is violating it openly by putting his name as a sign of 'Sectarian Boundary' but no body sees it.. Most likely after 5-10 min my this post will be deleted ...Because I most likely have created some kind of "sectarian fitna". And that is the dilemma of us Muslims, come after another Muslim.

-Salman