“He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

** “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”**

ISLAMABAD, 11 July 2007 — The Red Mosque saga took a tragic and bloody turn yesterday as troops stormed the mosque, killing cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi and over 50 of his militant followers.

Eight soldiers also died when the military stormed the sprawling mosque compound during “Operation Silence” which had been going on for over 20 hours.

Ghazi, the public face of the pro-Taleban mosque that challenged the government’s writ in Islamabad, had vowed to die rather than give himself up.

An army official said Ghazi received bullet wounds and when he was told to surrender, he gave no reply. Commandos then fired another volley of bullets and found Ghazi dead, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Javed Iqbal Cheema, spokesman for the Interior Ministry, confirmed Ghazi’s death, saying he died in a gunbattle alongside militants in the basement of the madrasa linked to the mosque.

“Ghazi was spotted in the basement and asked to come out. He came out with four or five militants who kept on firing at security forces,” Cheema said.

“The troops responded and in the crossfire he was killed.”

He said the cleric’s body was still lying in the compound, and that “battle hardened” militants were still defending themselves.

There were fears the militants might resort to suicide bombings. Officials said on Monday militants had distributed vests packed with explosives.

** Officials, who earlier said the military held back on an all-out assault on Ghazi because there were women and children being held in the basement as hostages, offered no further details on who was with him when he died. **Troops stormed the mosque compound in the capital before dawn after efforts to bring a peaceful end to the weeklong standoff with security forces failed.

Ghazi and his brother Abdul Aziz, the mosque’s chief cleric, had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the mosque.

Khalid Pervez, the city’s top administrator, said as many as 50 women were the first to be freed by the militants and emerged from the complex following the escape of 26 children.

Mohammed Khalid Jamil, a reporter for the local Aaj television network, was among journalists who said they saw dozens of women and girls walking on a road away from the mosque. They were wearing “burqas,” he said.

A military official who demanded anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press, said the women included the wife and daughter of Abdul Aziz, who was arrested while trying to flee the complex last week.

It was not clear how many noncombatants were being held hostage or were staying behind because they believed in the mosque’s cause. Last week, a number of those who left the mosque, including young women, said their colleagues were there of their own free will and prepared to die. Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad said hostages were still being held and fighting was intense. “We are fighting room by room,” he added. He said stun grenades were being used to avoid casualties among the hostages.

He said about 50 militants were killed in yesterday’s assault, while eight soldiers had died and 29 were wounded.

** Abdul Sattar Edhi, head of the private relief agency Edhi Foundation, told reporters the army asked him to prepare 400 white shrouds used for covering the dead.**

The siege of one of the capital’s most prominent mosques was prompted by clashes last Tuesday between security forces and supporters of the mosque’s hard-line clerics. More than 80 people have been killed in the fighting since July 3. The vigilante anti-vice campaign has proved an embarrassment to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a key US ally in its war on terror, and underlined his administration’s failure to control extremist religious schools.

But a major loss of life at the Red Mosque could further turn public opinion against the president, who already faces mounting opposition for his bungled attempts to fire the country’s chief justice.

The US Embassy recommended that Americans in Pakistan limit their movement in the area of the northwestern city of Peshawar, warning that “terrorist elements” were threatening attacks on Pakistani government, police and army institutions in retaliation for the Red Mosque siege.

The army raid began about 4 a.m. after a government-backed effort led by ex-Premier Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain to try and negotiate a peaceful end to the standoff failed. One cleric in the mediation team, Rehmatullah Khalil, accused Musharraf of sabotaging a draft agreement with the mosque’s cleric, which the government denied.

Soon after the mediators left the environs of the mosque, commandos attacked from three directions and quickly cleared the ground floor of the mosque, Arshad said. Some 20 children who rushed toward the advancing troops were brought to safety, he said. Besides the women, Arshad said about 50 suspected militants, some of them youngsters, have been captured or emerged from the mosque since fighting began yesterday.

Arshad said the army attack was now focused on the women’s school. He said the entire compound included 75 rooms, large basements and expansive courtyards. About 80 percent of it had been cleared, he said.

An officer, who demanded anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press, said troops demanded four times that Ghazi surrender, but his followers responded with gunfire. Ghazi said he was ready to die rather than give up, the officer said.

Arshad said the well-trained militants were armed with machine guns, rocket launchers and gasoline bombs and had booby-trapped some areas.

Pakistan’s Religious Affairs Minister Ejaz ul-Haq said foreign militants were among those fighting with the mosque defenders.

Ghazi told the private Geo TV network in a telephone interview about two hours after yesterday’s assault began that **his mother had been wounded by gunfire. **One of Ghazi’s aides, Abdul Rahman, later said she had died.

“The government is using full force. This is naked aggression,” Ghazi said. “My martyrdom is certain now.”

** Outside the mosque compound and beyond the barbed wire barriers several hundred meters away, about a dozen anxious parents and relatives waited, most too upset to speak, but some voicing anger with the government.**

Lali Gul, a father from the northwestern town of Charsadda, said he had last spoken to his 16-year-old son Abdullah on Friday.

** “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,” Gul said, referring to paramilitary forces.**

For all the uncertainty, the Karachi Stock Exchange index breached life highs on Monday, gaining 0.5 percent. The rupee, which trades under the central bank’s managed float, was steady.

Standards & Poor’s Rating Services, however, cut its outlook on Pakistani debt to stable from positive partly because of growing concern over the “deteriorating security environment.”

— With input from agencies

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=98365&d=11&m=7&y=2007

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We would have been able to judge the situation fairly had the media been allowed to go near red mosque.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

so media can report on air exactly what the military was doing

"ji dakhain, they appear to be atatching explosives to west walls abotu 20 meters from bldg edge, and they appear to be climbing walls at spots a, b and c"

there were plenty of other peopl

and this 16 year old, does he speak urdu?

did they not announce that that people can surrender, did he hear bazookas going off as other people went to surrender? hell they did not even kill ghazi#1.

so the kid is either lying, or he was under thwe wrong impression.

Plenty of other ppl talked to their relatives on cell phones and they were told that the ppl were being held against their will.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

Tells all about the lies of Abdul Rashid Ghazi which repeated umpteens times on the phone, may be the pro-militants would say 'these are deceptive tactics used in war times'.

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Ghazi told the private Geo TV network in a telephone interview about two hours after yesterday’s assault began that **his mother had been wounded by gunfire. **One of Ghazi’s aides, Abdul Rahman, later said she had died.
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And the reason he put his mother's life in danger is what again? There shouldn't be any whining about her getting injured/death esp when they think it was all for the best purpose on earth.

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“The government is using full force. This is naked aggression,” Ghazi said. “My martyrdom is certain now.”
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Naked aggression? He was using similar military equipment so why was he calling it 'naked aggression' on government side only?

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Lali Gul, a father from the northwestern town of Charsadda, said he had last spoken to his 16-year-old son Abdullah on Friday.

“He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,” Gul said, referring to paramilitary forces.

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Tells you about the lies being fed in the Lal masjid, if hundreds who 'fled' were let go without a shot why were they fearing of 'firing' from Rangers unless they were planning on coming out with guns?

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

What lies? what phone? How do we know. A fair chance was not given to them. All the info was coming from the army.

Media was kept away all along and all the government spokesman do nothing but lie....They have to retain their job or else in country with no law and order they could be easily "treated well" by the ruling army.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

^Maybe army is lying but the survivors are a living proof of the army not willing to killing blindly.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

How many bullets did the fully armed and ready Islamabad Police, Punjab Police, Pakistan Rangers, Pakistan Army and SSG Commandos deployed in the area fire upon those coming out since 3 July? Heck did they even fire bullets and kill any of the many who attempted to escape, not surrender...?

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

^ all the same it is entirely possible for the kid to have been afraid of being shot at if he came out. i hope he is okay.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

Wellcome to "west like " wanabe musharaf's deam country

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

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Why no one could kill chief mo-fu "musharaf" ???**

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

LOL, that's stretching 'logic' to a breaking point

And does not match the known history of the Pak Army

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”


Only 30 men, 14 kalashnikovs... how many got killed fighting in the end? around 50 or more?

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

They were sharing 1 Ak 47 between 3. :D

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

as I said taleban/alqaeda supporters will make all sorts of excuses now and divert from the fact that these guys were militants who did not want to surrender.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

I do not understand where you are coming from?

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

After all pakistanis are not good terrorists other wise mo-fu musharaff would be dead by now.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

....and thats why we are trying to keep foriegn terrorists out, you afghanis, arabs, uzbeks, chechens. Those ppl make good terrorists.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

Blame the Rangers offcourse! You religous fantics are completely blinded by your religous indoctrination…

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

Ghazi made countless phone calls to the media, they played them live... What world do yo live in?

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

He called every channel 50 times. He loved being in the spotlight and repeated lies like 14 rifles and 30 men and 300 women already dead and buried. Believing mullah terrorists is like believing shaitan.

Re: “He said they were willing to come out but feared Rangers would fire on them,”

Why don't you take the lead instead of writing in bold green font on the internet?

Musharraf is one man and whether he goes or not is not a major issue, but whole of Pakistan will hunt and kill terrorists if it comes to that.