Hazrat Ameer Mawiyaa(RA)

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
i dont think there was much of an expansion during his reign....
and i dont know what wud be the sort of administration he employed cuz he did cause a lot of bloodshed and unrest among muslims....
which i think is poor administration and allows outsiders to interfere....
his self-centered policies also caused many companions of the Prophet (saw) separate themselves from his government....

but he was a shrew politician, as was a common trait of the Ummayads....
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thanks

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*Originally posted by 1eyed: *

Under 'other important aspects' such as his physical attributes and personal characteristics of muawiah and the love of H. Ali for him: read these sermons from nahjul balagha, the words of H. Ali the 4th caliph:

sermon 57

Amir al-mu'minin said to his companions about Mu`awiyah

Soon after me there would be put on you a man with a broad mouth and a big belly. He would swallow whatever he gets and would crave for what he does not get. You should kill him but (I know) you would not kill him. He would command you to abuse me and to renounce me. As for abusing, you do abuse me because that would mean purification for me and salvation for you. As regards renunciation, you should not renounce me because I have been born on the natural religion (Islam) and was foremost in accepting it as well as in Hijrah ( migrating from Mecca to Medina).

Sermon 200

Treason and treachery of Mu`awiyah and the fate of those guilty of treason

By Allah, [1] Mu`awiyah is not more cunning than I am, but he deceives and commits evil deeds. Had I not been hateful of deceit I would have been the most cunning of all men. But (the fact is that) every deceit is a sin and every sin is disobedience (of Allah), and every deceitful person will have a banner by which he will be recognised on the Day of Judgement. By Allah, I cannot be made forgetful by strategy, nor can I be overpowered by hardships.

Sermon 97:
Although Allah gives time to the oppressor, His catch would not spare him [1]. Allah watches him on the passage of his way and the position of that which suffocates the throats.

By Allah in Whose power my life lies, these people (Mu`awiyah and his men) will overcome you not because they have a better right than you but because of their hastening towards the wrong with their leader and your slowness about my right (to be followed). People are afraid of the oppression of their rulers while I fear the oppression of my subjects.

*And last but not least, (my words) Muaviah's most important contribution to the muslim ummah was placing his son yazid ( may the lanat of allah be upon him) upon the throne of the islamic empire. *
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nahjul balagha. i don't believe in this Iranian book.
and don't astray from the topic.

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rehman1 Wrote:
I asked a question. And somehow you turned it towards shiasm. Muslim history(not Islamic) is what i was interested in. Hazrat Ameer Mawiya(RA) was a muslim. Hence, don't compare him to Firoun.
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This is not me:

Mother of the Believers, Hazrat Ayesha compared Muaweyah's government to that of Firawn (Pharoah) and other Kaafirs (Pagans)

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Aswat bin Yazeed said to Hadhrath Ayesha: 'Aren't you surprised that this Muaweyah is from Tulaqa (freed captive) and in Khilafath he fought the companions? Ayesha replied "This government and kingdom, Allah (swt) gives Leadership to both just and tyrannical, for 400 years in Egypt the enemies of God, Phiraun ruled as did other Kaafir Kings".

Sunni references:
• Shaykh ul Mudira page 165
• al Bidaya 131 Volume 8
• Mukhtasar Ta'reekh al-Dimishk Volume 25 page 42

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rehman1 Wrote:
nahjul balagha. i don't believe in this Iranian book.
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Some people have fallen victims of confusing Iran with Shia. They try to imply that Shia were Persians who hated Arabs and that is why they oppose Umar and some other companions.

Iran is a country and Shia is a belief, they are two different entities! Many people are Shia but they are NOT Iranian. There are Shia in Iraq, Hijaz (Arabian Peninsula), Syria, Lebanon, and all of them are Arabs. In addition to that, there are Shia in Pakistan, India, Africa, America, and all of them are neither Arabs nor Persians.

More over all of the 12 Imams of Shia are Arabs, from Quraish and from Bani Hashim. If Persians were prejudice and hated Arabs, as some people claim, they would have chosen Salman al-Farsi as their Imam since he was a great companion of the Prophet, and respected by both Shi'its and Sunnits.

On the other hand, most of the leading Sunni Imams were Persian, such as Abu Hanifa, al-Nisa'i, al-Tirmithi, al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, al-Ghazzali, Ibn Sina, al-Farabi, and many others.

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

Some people have fallen victims of confusing Iran with Shia. They try to imply that Shia were Persians who hated Arabs and that is why they oppose Umar and some other companions.

Iran is a country and Shia is a belief, they are two different entities! Many people are Shia but they are NOT Iranian. There are Shia in Iraq, Hijaz (Arabian Peninsula), Syria, Lebanon, and all of them are Arabs. In addition to that, there are Shia in Pakistan, India, Africa, America, and all of them are neither Arabs nor Persians.

More over all of the 12 Imams of Shia are Arabs, from Quraish and from Bani Hashim. If Persians were prejudice and hated Arabs, as some people claim, they would have chosen Salman al-Farsi as their Imam since he was a great companion of the Prophet, and respected by both Shi'its and Sunnits.

On the other hand, most of the leading Sunni Imams were Persian, such as Abu Hanifa, al-Nisa'i, al-Tirmithi, al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, al-Ghazzali, Ibn Sina, al-Farabi, and many others.
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You are bent upon talking about Shia/sunni stuff.

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

Some people have fallen victims of confusing Iran with Shia. They try to imply that Shia were Persians who hated Arabs and that is why they oppose Umar and some other companions.

Iran is a country and Shia is a belief, they are two different entities! Many people are Shia but they are NOT Iranian. There are Shia in Iraq, Hijaz (Arabian Peninsula), Syria, Lebanon, and all of them are Arabs. In addition to that, there are Shia in Pakistan, India, Africa, America, and all of them are neither Arabs nor Persians.

More over all of the 12 Imams of Shia are Arabs, from Quraish and from Bani Hashim. If Persians were prejudice and hated Arabs, as some people claim, they would have chosen Salman al-Farsi as their Imam since he was a great companion of the Prophet, and respected by both Shi'its and Sunnits.

On the other hand, most of the leading Sunni Imams were Persian, such as Abu Hanifa, al-Nisa'i, al-Tirmithi, al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, al-Ghazzali, Ibn Sina, al-Farabi, and many others.
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Sir
Islam is not about Iran, Turan or Makran. Its certainly not about
Imams or Caliphs. Its about following Koran and teachings of
Hazrat Muhmmad(SAW). The best one in the eyes of Allah(SWT) is
the one who is MUTAQI.
Islam is not about seats, fortune,race or blood line.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by inuit: *

Some people have fallen victims of confusing Iran with Shia. They try to imply that Shia were Persians who hated Arabs and that is why they oppose Umar and some other companions.

Iran is a country and Shia is a belief, they are two different entities! Many people are Shia but they are NOT Iranian. There are Shia in Iraq, Hijaz (Arabian Peninsula), Syria, Lebanon, and all of them are Arabs. In addition to that, there are Shia in Pakistan, India, Africa, America, and all of them are neither Arabs nor Persians.

More over all of the 12 Imams of Shia are Arabs, from Quraish and from Bani Hashim. If Persians were prejudice and hated Arabs, as some people claim, they would have chosen Salman al-Farsi as their Imam since he was a great companion of the Prophet, and respected by both Shi'its and Sunnits.

On the other hand, most of the leading Sunni Imams were Persian, such as Abu Hanifa, al-Nisa'i, al-Tirmithi, al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, al-Ghazzali, Ibn Sina, al-Farabi, and many others.
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please, sir read the TOPIC of this thread again.
i don't understand what are you trying to prove.

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More over all of the 12 Imams of Shia are Arabs, from Quraish and from Bani Hashim. If Persians were prejudice and hated Arabs, as some people claim, they would have chosen Salman al-Farsi as their Imam since he was a great companion of the Prophet, and respected by both Shi'its and Sunnits.

Dear Sir
there were no SHIAS in the time of Holy Prophet(SAW).
they were creation of IBN SABA. Did Prophet Muhammad(SAW)
asked us to do all bidhas that you people do.
Did Koran talked about Shias, no sir. no way.

please, stick to the topic.

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plz mods close this thread.