Hazrat Ali's (ra) Judgement

During Hazrat Ali’s caliphate, it so happened once that two Arabs were traveling together through the sandy stretches of Hejaz. At meal times they sat together on a convenient spot and opened their packages.

One of them had five loaves of bread and the other three. They were about to eat their humble fare when came a stranger and after ceremonial salutations asked whether he might share their meal. “You are welcome, brother,” they said, and they had a pleasant time together.

When the hour for parting arrived, the stranger gave them eight dirhams and asked them to divide it between themselves. To accept money in return for hospitality is viewed by the Muslims as inappropriate conduct, but the gift was presented so politely and in such a spirit that to refuse it would have amounted to being rude. Hence they accepted it.

Once the gift was accepted, they began to quarrel about how it was to be divided. The man who had five breads claimed five of the eight dirhams, but the one had three loaves was not willing to accept less than half the value of the gift. The money was not the question, it was a question of principle and none would forego his right. At last it was decided that they should approach the Caliph for a just and reasonable settlement.

Hazrat Ali listened to their narration attentively, pondered over it a while and then said to the man who had three breads: “Brother! Accept the three dirhams which your companion offers you, for, in reality, you don’t have a right to even those three dirhams.”

“O Caliph!” said the Arab. “It is not the money I’m quarrelling for; it is my right that I seek. If it is proven reasonably that I deserve not a single dirham, by Allah, I shall have no complaint!”

“Then listen,” said Hazrat Ali. “You had three breads and your companion had five, which makes a total of eight loaves and there were three of you to share them. Do you agree?”
“I do,” said the Arab.
“Now, eight breads could not be divided equally in three shares without dividing them.”
“Evidently impossible…”
“There you are,” said Hazrat Ali, appreciating the remark by the Arab. "But the breads had to be divided in three equal shares and you did it in practice though not apprehensively. The simplest practical solution to this riddle is, let us suppose, each bread was cut into three equal pieces; therefore your three breads made nine pieces and your companion’s five breads made fifteen. Thus making a total of 24 pieces and all of you ate 8 pieces each.

“Excellent!” exclaimed the Arab happily.
“Patience, brother,” said the Caliph, while an amusing smile appeared on his lips. “Now, let us understand that you ate 8 pieces out of your nine and spared only one for the stranger. Your companion also ate 8 pieces out of his 15 and spared 7 pieces for the traveller. It is therefore just that he takes seven dirhams for his seven pieces that the stranger ate and that you take one dirham for your single piece.”

“By Allah! Wa-Allah! You are the wisest of the men on earth,” proclaimed the Arab and accepted his single dirham of the gift and left the court in joy.

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Out of curiosity, what is the source for this?

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there r many such stories about the wisdom and deep thinking Ali (ra) applied in resolution of such matters....
there sources r sometimes unknown, sometimes not so reliable....
but for a man of Ali (ra)'s repute in such matters, we shud not doubt that such stories r not true....

Mashallah How Wise.... :)

Subhan Allah

The only arguement I find is that 15 + 8 do not equal 24.

Equal 23.

8/23 leaves -1 remainder.

Isn't 8x3=24?

And I am no good at math.

Help.

I am so stupid at math.

Especially word problems.

I don't get it.

Would someone kindly write it out for me?

AAG..it said that each bread was divided into 3 pieces:
3x3= 9
5x3= 15
15 + 9 = 24

WHOLE NUMBER AND NOT A FRACTION

One Day a Jewish person came to Imam Ali (A.S.), thinking that since Ali thinks he is too smart, I'll ask him such a tough question that he won't be able to answer it and I'll have the chance to embarrass him in front of all the Arabs.

He asked "Ali, tell me a number, that if we divide it by any number from 1-10 the answer will always come in the form of a whole number and not as a fraction."

Ali Looked back at him and said, "Take the number of days in a year and multiply it with the number of days in a week and you will have your answer."

The person got astonished but as he was a Mushrik he still didn't believe Imam Ali (A.S.). He calculated the answer Imam Ali (A.S.) gave him.

To his amazement he came across the following results:

The number of Days in a Year = 360 (in Arab)

The Number of Days in a Week = 7

The product of the two numbers = 2520

Now...

2520 ÷ 1 = 2520
2520 ÷ 2 = 1260
2520 ÷ 3 = 840
2520 ÷ 4 = 630
2520 ÷ 5 = 504
2520 ÷ 6 = 420
2520 ÷ 7 = 360
2520 ÷ 8 = 315
2520 ÷ 9 = 280
2520 ÷ 10= 252

IMAM ALI (A.S.) AND THE CANDLE

A candle burnt by his side, as he sat down meticulously recording all the revenue and the expenses of the treasury.

Just then Talha and Zubair appeared.

They aspired to some positions of authority in Imam Ali's (A.S.) rule and had come to strike a deal. If Imam Ali's (A.S.) gave them a place of distinction, they would in turn pledge their full support. Imam Ali's (A.S.) knew of this.

Just as they sat down, Imam Ali's (A.S.) puts out the candle and lit another one.

Talha and Zubair exchanged a glance of surprise and then one of them said:

"O Ali, we have come on some important business. But why did you extinguish the first candle?"

Imam Ali's (A.S.) replied: "That was a candle bought of Treasury funds. As long as I worked for the Treasury, I used it. Now you have come for some personal work, so I use the candle bought of my personal fund."

Talha and Zubair left him without saying another word.

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IMAM ALI (A.S.) AND THE CANDLE

A candle burnt by his side, as he sat down meticulously recording all the revenue and the expenses of the treasury.

Just then Talha and Zubair appeared.

They aspired to some positions of authority in Imam Ali's (A.S.) rule and had come to strike a deal. If Imam Ali's (A.S.) gave them a place of distinction, they would in turn pledge their full support. Imam Ali's (A.S.) knew of this.

Just as they sat down, Imam Ali's (A.S.) puts out the candle and lit another one.

Talha and Zubair exchanged a glance of surprise and then one of them said:

"O Ali, we have come on some important business. But why did you extinguish the first candle?"

Imam Ali's (A.S.) replied: "That was a candle bought of Treasury funds. As long as I worked for the Treasury, I used it. Now you have come for some personal work, so I use the candle bought of my personal fund."

Talha and Zubair left him without saying another word.
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Just then Talha and Zubair appeared.

They aspired to some positions of authority in Imam Ali's (A.S.) rule and had come to strike a deal. If Imam Ali's (A.S.) gave them a place of distinction, they would in turn pledge their full support. Imam Ali's (A.S.) knew of this.

Sir
You are again igniting secterianism. Is this part of your religion to
malign COMPANIONS of HOLY PROPHET(SAW).
Please, do not do this again. Do not do this again.

The same arguments that Sunnis use to defend the so called companions of the Prophets, are the same arguments being used today by Sunni Iraqis to defend Saddam Hussein, and I quote Lajawab when he said when referring to the murder of Ayesha by Muhammad's "companions"

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Who cares what happened 1,400 years ago...These noble people are now dead and buried...Leave them in rest instead of bringing up arguments from centuries ago to create problems and misunderstandings today...
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I can picture a Sunni Iraqi a 100 years from now saying, "Who cares if Saddam murdered 5,000 Kurds. That noble man is now dead and buried...Leave him in rest instead of bringing up arguments from centuries ago to create problems and misunderstandings today."
I f sunnis lived under Hitler or Stalin, they would still praise them, and consider any insult against them as Haraam.

And you wonder why Muslims are so far behind in the world.

I agree Salman!

Khalifat and companionship are two conflicting concepts. If we defend one the other goes in to snag.

See the case of Talha and Zubair. These 2 people broke the "Bait" of Imam Ali (AS) as 4th Caliph. Means they were not even Sunnies who accepts Imam Ali (AS) as 4th Caliph of The holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). No Sunni breaks the Bait of Imam Ali(AS) as 4th Caliph.

In doing and braking Bait there is no Ijjtihad. so we can not save them from this act. We can't defend the broker of Bait of a Khlifa.

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*Originally posted by inuit: *
I agree Salman!

Khalifat and companionship are two conflicting concepts. If we defend one the other goes in to snag.

See the case of Talha and Zubair. These 2 people broke the "Bait" of Imam Ali (AS) as 4th Caliph. Means they were not even Sunnies who accepts Imam Ali (AS) as 4th Caliph of The holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). No Sunni breaks the Bait of Imam Ali(AS) as 4th Caliph.

In doing and braking Bait there is no Ijjtihad. so we can not save them from this act. We can't defend the broker of Bait of a Khlifa.
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FOR INTUIT AND SALMAN:

Verily, no innovator in the religion could ever rely on any authentic evidence in the Qur'an that testifies to his innovation. The Qur'an came to distinguish between truth and falsehood, and guidance and misguidance. The Qur'an does not contain any discrepancies or contradictions, because it is a revelation from the Most Wise, Worthy of all praise

Just so the general public is aware, the case of Muawiyah (ra) murdering Aisha (ra) is a myth generally used by shias to create discord. Its been proven as such by scholars time and again.