Hazrat Ali a.s., Bachcho'n Mai'n Sub Say Pehlay Islam Laa'ay.......

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Musalman kehtay hai’n keh Hazrat Ali a.s., Bachcho’n mai’n sub say pehlay islam laaay… kia koi bata sakta hay keh woh uss say pehlay kia thay?

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There is the "Hadith of Creation," which has been narrated in different ways. Imam Bin Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani in Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Ibn Maghazili Shafi'i in Manaqib, and Dailami in Firdaus have quoted the Prophet as saying:

"I and Ali were created of the same Divine Light 14,000 years before Adam was created. From the loins of the Prophet Adam and through his holy progeny, the Light was inherited by Abdu'l-Muttalib, and from him it was divided and inherited by Abdullah, (father of the Prophet) and Abu Talib, (father of Ali). I was granted prophethood, and Ali was granted the caliphate."

SO IT MEANS THEY WERE MUSLIM

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Re: Hazrat Ali a.s., Bachcho'n Mai'n Sub Say Pehlay Islam Laa'ay.......

is that hadeeth authentic?

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ofcouse it is athentic,, if you wish to make sure,, please read the quran, where Allah shows name ot Adam(as) , five names,,, (Mohammad(as), Ali (as), Fatima(as) Hassan(as) Hussain (as)..

if it is difficult to you find the the verse in Quran, let me know to help you.

thanks

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Re: Hazrat Ali a.s., Bachcho'n Mai'n Sub Say Pehlay Islam Laa'ay.......

yeh what surah is it? just quote the verse and chapter number and ill look it up, jazakAllah...

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**Hairat or afsos us waqt hota hay jab Ahl-e-Sunnah Wal Jamaat say ta'alluq rakhnay walay, Ahl-e-Sunnah Wal Jamaat ki kisi kitab kay hawalay ki hi "authenticity" kay baray mai'n sawal kartay hai'n......

Sunni Hazrat khud Ahl-e-Sunnah ki kutub ya un kay hawala jaat ki "authenticity" kay baray mai'n kia kehtay hai'n?
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^ Bhai sahab ! bibi ne ek sawal poocha hai, our Aqalmand admi ko chaheye ke uska jawaab achey tareeqey se de de, ya phir ma’zrat kar le.Na ke us sawal poochney waley pe hi tanqeed karna shoro kardey.

^ ab is se ziada moudbana tareeqey se sawal poochna kafi mushqil hai, meri naqis raye main.

Rahi baat apkey sawal ki tu Arz hai :

Hazrat Ali pehley bhi Allah ke bandey the our baad main bhi Allah ke Ibadat guzaar our shukarguzar bandey rahey.

Hamain unki taqleed karni chaheye. Jis tarha wo Allah ki ibadat kartey our Allah se madad mangtey they, hamian bhi aisa hi karna chaheye :flower1:

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Code Red Bahi Ayesha ney sawal Healthy Mind sey poocha tha na key Nadeem bahi sey:)

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bhai aap ko kis baat ka afsos ho raha hai?, I didn't mean any offence it was a simple question I only wanted to know wether the hadeeth is approved to be authentic the lack of knowledge is the path to our own distruction.... so id rather not be on that path:)

*The Messenger of Allah (SAAW) said:

“Seeking ‘Ilm (knowledge) is incumbant on every Muslim.”

(Ibn Hahar Al-‘Asqalani, Al-Matalib al ‘Aliyah)*

*questioning the authencity of a hadeeth in no way means I am debunking the hadeeth as a whole.

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*ummm my urdu is not very good:s moubanda tareeqay se? iska kya matlab hai? *
but I agree with the rest of what you said:)

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The Noble Qur'an Al-Baqarah 2:30-38

And He taught Adam all the names (of everything), then He showed them to the angels and said, "Tell Me the names of these if you are truthful."

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial] They (angels) said: "Glory be to You, we have no knowledge except what you have taught us. Verily, it is You, the All-Knower, the All-Wise."
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial] He said: "O Adam! Inform them of their names," and when he had informed them of their names, He said: "Did I not tell you that I know the Ghaib (unseen) in the heavens and the earth, and I know what you reveal and what you have been concealing?"

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jazakAllah ill get back to you:)

wa'salaam

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Re: Hazrat Ali a.s., Bachcho'n Mai'n Sub Say Pehlay Islam Laa'ay.......

Healthy mind.
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as for the narration, please, prove that the narration is authentic.
because the More authentic narration says Prophet SAW said:
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"Awwalu ma khalaqallahu nuri" [The first thing that was created (by Allah) was my nur] i.e. his soul.
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this is more authentic than your isolated frogeries.
Moreover in `Aqeedah books such as Imam Abu Hanifa's al Fiqh al Akbar and Imam Tahwai's al Aqeedah it says in order of the rank of the companions:
[1] Abu Bakr
[2] Umr
[3] Uthman
[4] Ali
May Allah be pleased with them all.
There are many hadith thats says the above, infact it is reported in a Mutawatir Hadith that Ali (ra) says *
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"If you prefer me over Abu Bakr and Umr you will get the lashing of a Slanderer [Al Mizan al-I'thidal]
If you want the commentary of the verses you posted google "Tafsir ibn Kathir" and insha-Allah you'll find it.
(quoted from a brother blessed with ilm)

wa'salaam.

~Today's Breakfast~
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I am sorry to mention once again,, the it is forgeries than this book belongs to ur sect.

I am not writer of this book.

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Re: Hazrat Ali a.s., Bachcho'n Mai'n Sub Say Pehlay Islam Laa'ay.......

I take it you agree that the hadith you opposed was isolated forgery:)

wa'salaam

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^Here you go:

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Fourteen thousand years before Adam, upon whom be peace, was created, I and Ali were a light in the presence of God. When God created Adam, upon whom be peace, He divided it into two parts. I am one of the parts and Ali is the other part."

Sunni Refernces:

Al Muhibb al Tabari narrates this tradition on the authority of Salman (RA) from the Prophet (pbuh&hp) in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 163:

*Ahmad ibn Hanbal in al Fada'il; *

*Sibt ibn al Jawzi in Tadhkirat Al­khawass, 46; *

Abu Hatim Muhammad ibn Idris al Razi in Zayn al Fata fi tafsir Surat Hal ata

*Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Zawaid manaqib Amir al Muminin *

This tradition has also been narrated by also Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn Abd al Barr, al Khatib al Baghdadi, Ibn al Maghazili, al-Asimi, Shiruyah al Daylami and others from Imam Ali (AS), Salman (RA), Abu Dharr (RA), Anas ibn Malik (RA), Jabir ibn Abd Allah (RA) and other Companions.

Aaj kya pakaaya/khaaya