Have We Understood The Quran Properly?

Re: Have We Understood The Quran Properly?

Islam, quran and unity of mankind

Islam=peace and the Quran=constitution of Islam for mankind

1) People have natural right to opinions because according to the quran itself Allah has created them ignorant but capable of learning 16/78.

Because people are born ignorant and they themselves have to make effort to get information and learn and we grow from a child to adult and old so we are not capable of getting information all together at once nor have we necessities available and conflicts of interests come in the way ie some want others to learn and some do not so they stop people from learning.

So difference of opinion is due to such like reasons therefore it is wrong to label each other anything unless anyone does things deliberately wrong of which we are well aware and can prove it as well.

2) The main thing is brain its senses and its body mechanism that help it interact within its environment. Since all people are same in this respect other than some unfortunate people who for some or other reason do not have any of these available to them. All normal people are biologically similar. Psychologically our brains function the same way so no difference is there either.

3) Why then there are differences between people? a)because we are at different stages of our growth biologically so our capability is not equal in getting information. A child has less information as compared to a grown up in the same environment. Likewise educated has more information as compared to uneducated. More educated is more informed than less educated. More powerful and wealthy people have more opportunities than less well off and weak people. These like are reasons for having differences in our information collection.

4) Besides information collection we have to look at our quality of information that we have collected as to how useful it is and also how capable we have made ourselves about putting the available information together. Unless we develop our capabilities, we are not going to be much useful even to ourselves never mind others. In other words practice makes us perfect our skills and develop our potential. A seed needs constant care to grow in to a tree. Things can go wrong at any stage of one's life.

5) After explaining the very basics you would realise that it is not up to individual to do all for himself because humans are interdependent creatures. This interdependence some time helps us develop and some times hinders us from developing. So life is a constant struggle for existence at very basic level and at higher level it is capability of man to influence nature ie at one stage we are dependent on nature hence we are product of nature ie we are creation of our own environment and at another level we are capable of controlling our environment to a great degree so we modify nature therefore nature becomes our product.

All this should explain that we are totally dependent upon two things our ability to think things through and the available information of which we have to make some sense.

Without our biological machine called brain any information is useless and without information we are as good as brain dead.

Information is of two kinds. The one which we learn through our senses by interacting in our given environment is fundamental information which helps us develop capability of understanding things and concepts. The other is information that we are unable to discover for ourselves ie divine revelation. The purpose of divine revelation is to inform us about things about which we will never know if no one told us about. Since our birth we hear about religions and scriptures so we are attracted to such information if we are intellectually developed to see if it tells us where we come from and for what purpose. When we are children these like thoughts do not bother us but as we grow and begin to make sense of things we come across thoughts about our real origin that is why we become interested in stories of God and prophets etc. In other words we realise that there is more to life than meets our eyes. If we did not realise this then we have not yet developed in to a human but are at animal stage of existence yet.

If we are lucky ones who have realised that we need further information then it is not going to come to us instead we will have to make effort for it to get it and study it. Since there are all sorts of interested parties therefore it is a big struggle to get information and then another big struggle to learn to put it together so that we come to know for sure we have what we needed.

This calls for a standard for judging the information whether it is useful or not for our purpose and whether we have put it together properly or not.

So we have brain and the quran. To ensure we have understood the quran properly we must have a set criterion that works and cannot be refuted. The quran is said to be complete statement of our creator. The question is, how do we know it is really what it claims to be?

Anyone who can define this standard is scholar of the quran and should be agreed with and he who cannot is not the scholar of the quran and one must not agree with him/her.

When we talk about islam, the quran is foundation of islam and if we do not understand the quran properly then all our claims are in vain and useless or even false.

In islam ultimate imaam is only and only quran and nothing else, not even the prophet ie he too must follow this imaam to prove his own prophet-hood.

The question now arises, is the quran word of God? If we say it is then the next question is, how do we prove that it is? This calls for definition of what proof is. Unless one knows what proof is one cannot demand proof nor if proof is given one will understand it.

The very definition of proof and the way of proving becomes set as criterion or standard or yardstick for proper understanding of the quran. That is because unless we understand the quran properly we cannot prove the quran is divine revelation. The very understanding of the quran that proves it word of Allah is the proper understanding of the quran. An explanation that works is the right explanation of something, so the explanation that explains the quran is word of God is the proper tafseer or interpretation of the quran and all other explanations and tafaseer should be left alone.

All this should leave one in no doubt that there is set standard for understanding the quran and one must follow only and only that standard.

What is this standard?

To see whether a statement is true or not, we must understand the very foundation upon which the whole this process for scrutiny is based.

It is for this reason truth is defined into categories eg absolute truth and the relative truth.

Absolute truth is that truth which has no relevance to anything else eg the universe exists whether we were here or not. Something that exists, exists whether anyone is there to witness it or not. If God exists then he exists regardless he created anything or not and whether there is anything else there to to witness that there is God or not.

Relative truth is that truth which is relative to something else. The witness and the witnessed are relative to each other therefore they matter for each other. In some way existence of one thing is important for the other. This is why relative truth matters but not absolute truth.

Now to be sure whether a claimed relative truth is true or not or to what degree it is true we categorise evidence on basis of how heavy or important it is.

So relative truth is a)self evident or b) proven truth.

Self evident truth is obvious to us and so we do not need others to prove it to us eg one person will not fight with other over anything that in front of both of them equally. The universe exists and that is as obvious to one as to other or anyone else. This is why it is called self evident truth. it is not subjective but objective ie not just a thought in one's own mind but an external reality.

The proven truth is either based upon reliable witness statement as proof or based on mere circumstantial evidence ie based upon clues with their best possible explanation.

All other claims are mere possibilities ie they are as likely to be true as they are likely to be false. We cannot tell one way or the other.

This is the way we judge all evidences throughout the world in all courts of law and we have no other way of knowing the truth about anything.

The quran is not self evident truth nor a circumstance based truth but a witness testimony which is either true or false. But how do we know the witness is a true witness or a false witness?

If the quran is true testimony of God then it has to be free of contradictions within itself as well as it must not contradict the real world realities because they are self evident truths.

As explained self evident truth cannot be contradicted by proven truth and circumstantial evidence based truth cannot contradict proven truth that is based upon reliable testimony of a witness.

Most people have no idea of these like rules therefore they mix up everything and turn the whole thing in to a nonsense.

It is a bit like trying to do a complex mathematical sum that contains roots, brackets as well as all functions ie plus, minus, multiply and divide. Unless one knows which of them to tackle first as a rule one can carry on fighting with numbers trying to do anything first and anything last. The result is obvious to those who know how to do things.

This should leave no doubt in our minds that unless the quran is interpreted correctly first anything we say about quran does not stand. We can argue till cows come home and nothing will be concluded sensibly.

This is why it is not a good idea to argue over things about which one oneself does not know how to argue and cannot understand the point of view of the other party. This is why having good understanding of the common ground is very important from which the arguments should be started for good or satisfactory end result.

Evolution theory is neither self evident fact nor a witness based reliable testimony it is only a circumstantial evidence based best explanation therefore it should not be treated other than what it is ie least reliable proof.

When a fact is not a self evident fact then we look for a witness to see if we have anyone who has seen this happening but if a fact is not witnessed by anyone either then we have only our own explanations to rely upon and that is the best we can come up with.

Since the quran is said to be word of God, the question is, what are the rules for understanding the quran so that we could scrutinize it properly to see if it really is what it claims to be?

There is no sense in trying to criticise the quran without knowing anything about it but this is the way people are mostly doing things which is not unexpected because humanity still has a lot to learn before it is able to properly examine the quran for its truth.

Through out the world only lawyer represent people in courts of law because people themselves have no idea how to fight their cases, all because they lack what is needed to fight legal battles. Even lawyers ask other lawyer to represent them because two minds are better than one. Doctors look for second opinions regarding their diagnoses so people need to realise these points.

Everyone has the right to cross examine the alleged testimony of God but each and every person has a duty to ensure one is not biased or ignorant of rules that are necessary for examining the testimony. The basis has to be just and fair verdict that is sufficient for one's own satisfaction at least.

So what are the rules for understanding the quran properly?

The quran is the divine constitution for mankind to organise around. It is a program or a divine road map for humanity to work hard according to it to turn this world in to a blissful garden in which flow rivers full of things that people need. If they do not educate themselves and work hard according to divine program or if they turn the world in to hell of their own making and suffer then they only have themselves to blame.

When the prophet was around himself he knew what islam was all about and that is how he was able to bring about a revolution based upon the quranic revelation.

Today we know very little about the quran because we do not know arabic or that even if we know arabic we lack knowledge that helps us understand the quran. Since quran is divine constitution one has to think what a constitution is and what it is for. This means having sense of ideologies, societies, politics, economics, cultures, systems, structures and practices etc etc. Because each field of knowledge has its own terminology and requires specific skills for understanding and doing things.

Mullahs do not have the required knowledge so they simply pass on the memorised texts of the quran and the hadith and whatever explanations they have heard from their teachers generation after generation.

As we know soon after the prophet muslims became disorganised and gradually quranic concept became less and less known as kings and mullahs took over the umaah. Over a period of time islam from constitution for organisation of humanity became mazhabi pooja paat for so called muslims and all the related nonsense and so deen was changed in to mazhab=religion and malukiyat=imperialism. The kings ruled muslims in the name of country and mullahs in the name of religion. Both used and abused people as we see it today ie people are still a football between ruling elite and their funded mullahs. One using and abusing people in the name secularism and democracy and the other in the name nonsense dogmas, make bleifs and superstition etc.

In last couple of centuries if you are well aware of indian muslim history you will come across a name syed ahmed khan, a person who started alighar muslim university in india. It was he who challenged mullahs on basis of rationality or superstition. he managed to defeat mullahs comprehensively. Mullahs however responded with their fatwa nonsense but it did not affect his rational stand. More and more muslims got educated his way and mullahs despite opening up a lot of different fronts against him still stood no chance.

No sooner he died that another giant scholar of islam stood tall Muhammad Iqbal. He once again challenged mullahs' interpretation of islam but this challenge was whether islam was a deen or a mazhab like any other mazhab. He could not be opposed because he was right and he was able to prove he was right so all mullahs could do was rain down on him their fatwas.

He then sought support for his ideas from Muhammad Ali Jinnah. They had a long discussion and finally jinnah accepted the position of iqbal. Unfortunately iqbal died leaving jinnah in hands of ghulam ahmed parwez and after death of jinnah parwez was the only scholar of islam who kept alive the real concept of islam despite opposition from mullahs.

Later on we see modoodi coming round to the same idea that islam is not mazhab but a deen and he was followed by likes of dr tahir al qadri, dr israr, ghamdi etc etc.

Today there is hardly any muslim scholars who does not accept islam as a deen but war of words is still there because none has really defined deen other than iqbal who separated quran as a constitution of islam and shariah its law according to the quran but based on mutual consultation of the ummah. He rejected malukiyat based fiqh as islamic law. This is what current fight is all about.

This fight is between muqallids and ghair muqallids as well as between muqallids of different schools of fiqh. Once people understand the quran properly this fight will end because there is no sense in it.

However to realise that there really is no sense in it the quran must be understood by each and every individual. This is going to take time but it will happen hopefully sooner rather than later.

Intellectual criticism is invalid if it is not based upon some rules that cannot be refuted. The rules then become conventions like mathematical formulas.

For example it is irrefutable fact that brain needs to be there to benefit from information. The active agent is not information but brain.

Likewise when there are two opposing statement they both cannot be true. Either one is false or both are false.

Likewise books of grammar were brought into being much later on in time than languages and same is true about dictionaries. The text of the quran is more reliable and one has to make sense of it to decide everything from the quran including the rules of grammar and meanings of words to make dictionaries.

It is unlikely that we will have ancient arabic literature from before the time of the quran because even the quran is reported to have been written on various scrap materials. Therefore may be those writing were written actually long after the quran from which people are trying to understand the quran.

Moreover the quran being sent by Allah would contain Allah's point of view not of humans necessarily unless it quoted by Allah. So words used by Allah would contain the sense Allah wanted to convey rather than what people believed. For example why Allah used word jinn is different from what people believed what jinns are. So when we interpret the quran we will take it as a true word therefore it ought to be interpreted in a way that does not contradict rationality. That is because anything that contradicts rationality cannot be true even if it is attributed to God. That is so because it negates importance of brain and information concept and the relationship between the two. This is why we must look for consistency between the quran and rationality. Jinns therefore could be anything but not what makes no sense rationally or if the idea contradicts reality.

The powers people attribute to saints, prophets, iblis, jinns etc have implications such as if jinns exist in the sense of super natural beings that can fly through out universe and are in contact with humans then obvious result is that what we know today about our universe would have been discovered long ago because jinn and saints would have told us how the earth looks like from space because jinns could travel in space and saints could see the universe on the palm of their hands.

Or jinns are said to be very naughty. Now if you leave a naughty kid in a room full of things and go away and then later come back and see the room all will be turned upside down. The same like strange things will be seen happening all around us by all of us if that was the case with jinns. People who claim to have jinns and magic powers could empty banks and get women they wanted at will. They would not be sitting in streets corners collecting pennies from us the public. Look at how much governments spend on spying on each other and on defence against each other all this would become useless and redundant. Being a superpower would mean nothing.

So to make sense of a statement, one has to know what the statement is talking about so that one could make proper sense of it otherwise mere words are words and nothing more.

The quran demands that people live under quranic jurisdiction and if there is no place where the quran could be implemented as a divine constitution then the first and foremost duty of each and every muslims is to try and create one. If we do not have one and we do not go for it either I doubt our any other act according to quran will be of much worth. It will be hypocrisy.

Coming to word for word conversion of the quran. It is impossible because as far as I know no language has the ability to convey the full meanings of many arabic words used in the quran.

A simple explanation is that some words in arabic have hundreds of meanings whereas in other languages there are hardly any words that could be that vast in meanings.

This in itself should leave one in no doubt that the quran is impossible to convert in to any language this is why most people leave many original Arabic words untouched because in their opinion those words have no equivalent so they instead explain them. This only leaves us choice of translation ie short or long interpretation to convey the concept rather than sense of individual words. The purpose of translation is to convey concepts not to convert meanings of words because that cannot be done as explained.

If translation is just an attempt at conveying the message then so long as the message gets across the translation is correct. Let me try and explain this concept a bit more.

Let us say in a mathematical equation x=a(b+c-d)(e-f+g)- w(h+n) etc since x equals the rest of the expression therefore if one puts x instead of the rest of expression it is fine and if one puts the rest of expression it is still fine because one side is balanced by the other regardless how long the expression on the right hand side is. We can transpose the formula as per our own purpose.

Now the linguistic explanation. If we open up dictionaries we have basically two kinds of dictionaries a)from one language to the others and b) from same language to the same language. All writers of dictionaries put a word there that they want to explain and then start writing its explanations. The more meanings the words has the more explanations are put in there to explain it. We cannot say well take this one because it is correct and leave the rest because they are incorrect. It is because all explanations under the same word are equal to that one word. The only way we can choose just one explanation is because we have a particular concept or idea in our minds which we are interested in therefore that helps us take that meaning and leave the rest.

This should explain the point that when it comes to explanations you can use as many words as you think best convey the idea you want to convey. This is why worthwhile dictionaries are full of very very long explanations of words running from pages to pages.

Take word islam, the quran is all about explanation as to what islam is in various ways.

In general people are not used to these things so we use very simple dictionaries that give one or two words for a word that are most in use at the time. For deeper and wider study people have to go in to great detail of things.

Anyone is surprised when someone does something people are not much used to doing. This shows how insightful parwez was. He spent 50 years of his life in trying to understand the quranic text. It will not be fair to dismiss his contribution just like that.

I appreciate peoples' contributions but if they are proven wrong in something then they are wrong. Parwez was someone who had a great insight in the quranic understanding and no person who has knowledge of things can remain unappreciative of such peoples' work. Perhaps our culture is that of ignorance and personality cult therefore we either raise people sky high or ditch them really deep without any good reasons. It may be due to our mood swings if you like.

Coming to understanding the quran through hadith. This is a rule that is flawed on two major accounts eg the hadith is not an authentic source on its own whereas the quran is. So one will be silly to try to understand something through such ways or means that are doubtful themselves therefore cannot serve as a standard.

Also if the quran needs to be understood through hadith then who wouold understand hadith better, us people of today or the companions of the prophet? The same argument can be repeated in turn for each later generation and that means before any verse of the quran makes any sense to us we need to see all those explanation of all those people who went before us. Does that make any sense in real world where life span is not that long and people have other things to take care of? And how can anyone explain the quran better than the author himself? So the idea of explanation of explanation of explanation .... .... .. is not right because it is an unending chain of explanations in which the explainers are all prone to human error due to being humans.

Another point in this regard is that hadith reports contradict each other so which of them should be accepted and why or which of them should be rejected and why? One only has to see reports regarding shaane nazool=reasons for revelations of the verses of the quran. We have different reports telling us different occasions for the revelations of the very same quranic verses.

Many reports attribute wrong things to Allah, prophets, islam, quran and hadith etc so what do we do with them?

This is why using quran as the criterion for testing other information like Ahadith or fiqh etc is correct idea because the quran contains its own proofs either within itself or with respect to real world. A very simple proof mechanism.

For example, the quran comes to us in few independent ways and each confirms the other ie in form of memory that all reciters read the same text. In form of writing that each copy of the quran is exactly same as the other except for odd human errors in copying. The memorised version and the written version confirm each other. The meanings of the quranic words have been collected in dictionaries and various other books eg hadith, tafaseer and fiqh etc. To add to this evidence one can also look at copies of the quran from the past. So the authenticity of the quranic text is beyond even a shadow of doubt. We can fight over meanings of words as to which one is right in any particular verse as per context of the text but no way one can really fight over whether the quranic text we have today is same as was given to us by the prophet or not.

This is how knowing these rules helps one to decide if one is following the rules right way round or wrong way round or not at all.

So using one's brain to judge things is very important for getting to the right sense of information.

This is why one has to see supporting arguments for whatever ideas one proposes. It is not matter of just knowing the language a bit. One cannot become a doctor till one knows the terms involved and what exactly they mean. This is why we are not politicians or bankers or professionals etc etc till we master the language involved and be able to demonstrate the related practical skills. However pioneers are different people they do things first then invent terms to explain them because what they discover is not known before them therefore exact words do not exist but explanations can lead to new terms or labels.

The research of parwez sb on language is much superior than research of ghamdi sb because ghamdi sb has mastery of grammar but not of language development and its evolution based on critical analysis regarding sense of words.

If one just read the quran and became educated then it would have been easy for each and every molvi sb to be master in everything but they are not. Instead the bread and butter language they know, according to that they interpreted the quran and so instead of bringing out the sense the quran wanted to convey they conveyed their own understanding of it at the level of their own knowledge this is how they ended up covering up the quran with their own senseless explanations.

It is like you are giving a grade two child the work of grade ten and expect that he will be able to make sense of it.

This is why I say mullahs should either learn things and improve their knowledge about things the quran talks about so that they could understand them or just leave interpretation to those who know what they are doing. Unfortunately, if mullahs do not do it, no one else does it either or that mullahs do not let others do things their way. This is why this ummah has to make a move to put such wrongs right or we are going to stay the way we are ie remain stuck in nonsense of mullahs.

I think our main problem is not trying to understand the quran in sense of a constitution for bringing about a good human society that is at ease within itself and the world out there.

unless we understand the quran properly ourselves, we cannot convince others to come and join us. so long as we leave the quran to mullahs to teach it to us, they will keep us involved in their halwa fights. the while we keep fighting over none issues, we are not left with any time to do what we need to be doing.

by following mullahs nonsense we are creating more and more enemies in the world rather than human brotherhood. How is it that the prophet was able to use only and only the quran and create within 14years of his prophetic life a human community, a community of strangers loving each other the most and we have not been able to do so for last so many centuries?

We need to rediscover that islam if we want a good life for ourselves and the rest of humanity.

I think we need to pay special attention to a few points.

1, islam is rational and not a mumbo jumbo of mullahs, a point made by sir syed ahmed khan very clearly a couple of centuries back. Still mullahs have problem with it but could not undo it. A challenge for the whole of ummah.

2, islam is deenillah=Allah's constitution for mankind to live by not a mazhab created by kings and their mullahs. Another point made by another great scholar of muslim ummah dr sir muhammad iqbal. Mullahs did not like it but again they could not fight it to prove iqbal wrong.

3, quran is constitution for the ummah and all laws of islam are to be formed within limits set by the quran but by mutual consultation of the scholars of the ummah who are well aware of realities of real world situations and circumstances. This is why all imperialist mullah made laws in the name of islam must be discarded because they are based upon deliberate misinterpretations of the quran and sunnah and so misrepresent islam. Again this point was made by iqbal very clearly and mullahs could not oppose it. This is what was taken up by muhammad ali jinnah and ghulam ahmed parwez.

By now scholars of ummah have accepted, islam is rational though people still get involved in all sorts of superstition and nonsense due to their ignorance and due to mullahs taking advantage of them.

By now scholars have also accepted that islam is a deen and not a mazhab though mullahs still show there ignorance here and there wherever they can.

The sole point of fight remains definition of what constitutes shariah of islam. Is it the imperialist mullahs' version of islamic law or quranic version of islamic law that was around in time of the prophet and is rediscovered by sir syed ahmed khan and iqbal, jinnah and parwez like people.

This fight needs to be really understood so that we could once and for all defeat imperialist priestly version of islam and its shariah that was brought about to justify wrongs that muslims kings and priests did to each other and outsiders in the name of islam.

This raises yet bigger question that if the quran is really the constitution of islam then why the quran does not talk like a constitution for ummah=nation building like any constitution of even an organisation or company or country?

The answer is that the quran does talk about being a divine constitution but imperialist mullahs have diverted our attention away from that in order to replace the divine constitution of ummah by their own petty constitutions to divide ummah and rule by their own self made laws that are against the quran.

In the quranic sense all things belong to Allah alone because he is sole sovereign of this kingdom of universe. Therefore none has the right to rule the people even in the name of Allah. It is Allah's rule of law that stands as rule to live by for all, regardless a prophet or an ordinary person. No double standards.

The names of surah are very important to understand because they carry clues as to what they are about. Likewise meanings of words need to be expanded to help people see what the quran is really saying in its text when looked at it in its own context which mullahs destroyed by bringing in concept of shane nazool.

These diversions of mullahs are so obvious for anyone who knows how world works and how countries are run and they know how to read the quran. Because you cannot understand the quran till you realise what the message is supposed to be about. It is revelation for the revolution to bring about a better world and that is what prophet showed us by his example. We have taken sunnah in the wrong sense are fighting over nonsense things leaving aside the real message of the quran, which is islam=peace in the world on basis of some conditions or term.

The quran is a divine constitution for humanity telling them to aim for peace=islam. With set out objectives for mankind like freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity because unless these objectives or condition or terms are accepted and fulfilled peace in the world is impossible.

This is what the quran is challenging humanity for ie you cannot produce anything like the quran ie you cannot produce a quran like constitution that can tell you way to peace and prosperity.

The quran contains ideologies for social, political and economic systems, structures and practices. We are not supposed to take this book as a mumbo jumbo of mullahs like mullahs of bani israel turned their divine books in to mumbo jumbo make beliefs.

We need to raise our level of thinking if we want to benefit from information that quran contains for our guidance towards creating a proper human society.

I think it should be clear for all who can think for themselves that the quran is essentially a divine constitution for mankind to live by or nothing at all. If one takes the quran as divine message then it should be clear that Allah created all and so he has the right to advise what the house rules should be so that his set up things work properly to the satisfaction of all involved.

All we can do is see if they rationally make sense and benefit humanity or not. Only if allegedly heavenly revealed rules damage and destroy humanity that we can object and discard them otherwise if we knowingly and deliberately pushed them aside then we are going to land in serious troubles and remain in there till we repent and reform. That is what happens when silly kids do not listen to advice of their good parents who know how to be good parents and end up in all sorts of troubles.

If quran is divine constitution for humanity then we have no choice but to accept that it has to be one law for all ie no double standards. If that is the case then there is no room for different laws within the same state. No different house rules for different people in the same household. It makes no sense whatsoever that each person should live by his own law. If we let this happen then we cannot have unity nor cooperation to do anything whatsoever.

This point is absolutely vital to understand because without it one will never know what islam is all about. Islam is all about uniting humanity under one God, one prophet, one constitution, one ummah.

The quran contains many verses on topic of unity and condemns disunity between mankind with so many verses.

This means in islam we can only and only have one law for all who claim to be muslims at least and at the same time we must struggle to make nonmuslim brethren to understand this so that we could live to help each other make this world a better place by being better human beings.

Now one law means no room for enforcement of different fiqhs at the same time because if we accepted them then we cannot have one law therefore one ummah. Having difference of opinions on law is fine but running parallel laws in the same state at the same time is not possible.

The general idea is that whenever ummah decides to unite and live by islam all ummah can do is invite all its learned people to give there opinions as to what the state law should be in light of the quran and the sunnah about all matters of concern and whatever majority decides, the ummah should follow for as long as law works for betterment of ummah if need arises the law should be changed as per situations and circumstances that face ummah or ummah finds itself in, to cope with.

Ummah must never let mullahs run away with their nonsense ideas of islamic laws that could strangle ummah in every way out of existence instead of making it progressive and prosperous and an example that other people admire and feel obliged to follow.

This was the main reason why pakistan was created ie to serve as an example of a successful islamic state for rest of humanity. Unfortunately as soon as pakistan came to being ruling elite and mullahs took over ummah and almost destroyed it. Mullahs damaged pakistan in the name of islam and rulers in the name of secularism. The most unfortunate things is we have not even realised yet how we have arrived at the brink of self destruction. It is as if we have been sleep walking in to nightmare after nightmare.

What I am explaining is not going to happen all of a sudden over night but if we really did try to understand things ourselves and tried passing on such information then hope is that over a period of time people will come round.

The main thing is not to follow ruling elite or their mullahs if we want to be in better health in future. This can only happen if we educate ourselves about quran. Ensuring that we interpret the quran as a divine constitution in light of real world realities and not as religious mumbo jumbo that makes no sense.

The main thing to remember is that the quran was sent to educate people out of ignorance and superstition to help people become rational human beings to be able to analyse their problems and find their solutions with help of the quran. Again the quran is full of verses drawing our attention to explanations of universal phenomena. The quran is all about demystifying things for people and not to turn things in to mysteries.

It is absolutely necessary that we come out of our sectarian caves and that is only possible through asking tough questions and looking for their equally worthy answer in the quran and the sunnah. Listening to nonsense of mullahs against each other is definitely not the answer.

There are plenty of videos on youtube etc wherein you will find mullahs of each sect condemning all mullahs of others. They tell people who come to them to not to go to their rival mullahs. We need to grow up and grow out of these things and not to listen to such peoples' such advice because the quran condemns people who listen to people who stop them from finding the truth for themselves.

There are plenty of fatwas by sunnies against shias and vice versa.

plenty of fatwas by some sunnies against other sunnies and likewise by some shias against other shias.

We should not be part of their silly game, instead we should concentrate on the quran and the sunnah.

The question is, what is message of the quran and have we understood it properly?

According to the quran what is the prophetic mission?

The quran is message of Allah for each and every human being and the message is bring about a human society that is at ease within itself ie that is at peace within itself. The goal of islam is peace. To get peace between people, we need to know what they are fighting over and then put forth solutions that remove those problems which are causes of fightings and wars.

I am trying to raise awareness in us that quran is that book which has solutions for all human problem, there is no doubt about it. Why there is no doubt about it? Because if we read the quran in its proper context then we see problems diagnosed and solutions offered.

The question is, how did prophet succeed in bringing about a society that he did using only and only the quran?

It is because he educated people working hard day and night.

What education did he give them?

Read just the titles of surahs 1-9 ie AL FAATIHA, AL BAQARAH, AALI IMRAAN, AL NISAA, AL MAAIDAH, AL ANAAM, AL ARAAF, AL ANFAAL and AL TAUBAH.

I want you to try understanding the meanings of these words and what they represent. These all words are linked together for a very good reason. What are those reasons?

1, AL FAATIHA=divine proclamation for mankind through a divine messenger. Concentrate on word proclamation. This is opening message in which Allah introduces himself to mankind ie he is kind and merciful not a tyrant. Shows what kind of God people have who created them and the rest of universe and provided for all the provisions they will ever need. By this right he has the right to recommend house rules but he recommends them for good of his creatures like a good parent advises his children.

He then wants people to promise him that they will take his advice seriously and live only by his set up and program to stay out of trouble and save themselves from terrible consequences. It is like you tell your kid don't put your hand in fire you will get burnt. If your child ignores your advice and does exactly what he was told not to do then he will suffer for it.

Allah makes it clear that whatever you need or want all is told about in the quran, so whenever you have any problem look for its solution in the quran. All our prayers are answered in the quran already. The quran is final revelation by Allah for ever. This is why, there is no more revelation from Allah and so no more prophets. It is because if there is no more need for revelations then why we need any more prophets?

Allah created people, gave them his advice and freed them to do as they please and face consequences. He then tells how did people before us live and what happened to them ie what actions they took and what were the consequences of their actions.

2) AL BAQARAH=divine solutions for human problems and human problems are matters related to war and peace between mankind. Word BAQARAH= the sacred cow ie separation between God and world affairs ie kings ruling in the name of country and priests ruling in the name of their make beliefs. Kings and priests do not allow questioning of their authority. It happens when people talk bull ie they have no real basis for what they do. This is why they do not want anyone question them about anything they do in the name of God or country.

This surah is all about divine set up and advice and how people went against it and what happened to them and how people came together and what they accomplished. It is about why people went to wars and why they came to peace.

3) AALI IMRAAN= people and society ie this surah is all about people as individuals and as a society. Bad society of bani israel after they went off track and good society that was accomplished by prophet Abraham and people who followed him.

4) AL NISAA= human societies and administrations, this surah tells people how societies are to be formed and set up for management of resources and people.

5) AL MAAIDAH=divine constitution, this surah is about what a constitution is so that people understand it and base their administration upon it for proper management of their community and its resources.

6) AL ANAAM=progress and prosperity, when individuals come together and form a society or community and create a constitution and base upon it their administration then they either progress and prosper or end up destroyed all depends upon what kind of constitution they have based their society upon. Quran is divine constitution so no chance of destruction if its followers base their community and administration upon it.

7) AL ARAAF= when a people work hard according to a set ultimate goal, aims and objectives with terms and conditions and guidelines ierights and responsibilities and rules and regulations etc in their constitution, they either go up high or go down in ditch of of hell of their own making. The quran guaranties that its proper followers will reach heights of excellence.

8) AL ANFAAL= a properly organised society based upon a proper constitution when it works hard it makes progress and prospers but that it must produce surplus to stay safe even if any rainy days arrive due to some human error or mistake. Humans are not free of human error and no society is 100% free of bad apples within or outside enemies. So a society needs to be strong enough to take some strong hits and survive.

9) AL TAUBAH= general amnesty, a strong society does not make war on its own people nor outsiders but gives them opportunities to repent from their destructive and harmful aims and actions and reform and become useful members of community.

Can one see what was the mission of the prophet according to the quran? This is the mission that was derailed by kings and their mullahs. This was the mission of hussain in karbala to show clearly for people who claimed to be muslims that islam observed by most people at the time was not real islam. Hussain was stopped from peaching this islam because it meant end of yazeediyat. When Moses preached this islam, chiefs of pharaoh became worried. When noah preached the chiefs and priests of his people became worried.

The prophet made people aware what God is and what humanity is and what are relationships between them ie between God and people and between people themselves, what peace is and why it is a necessity and how it can be achieved, what individuality is and why societies are needed, what management is supposed to be all about and why administrations are necessary, what constitution is and what purpose it ought to serve. How people make progress and prosper, what economic necessities are and how they should be guaranteed, what forgiveness is and why it is a necessity because you cannot build a society on revengefulness and stupidity.

He taught people how to make administrations accountable to people and people to administrations, how to terminate and install administrations safely and what kind of people should be chosen for this responsibility. Can anyone see it in the quran you read? If not why not? It is because quran was masked with false interpretations making it book of war for looting and plundering and getting slave girls. So we need to wake up and not defend people who did all this in the name of God. Surahs 1,2,4, 24,33,58,65 etc are very interesting when read in their own proper contexts. They are proof that the quran is divine constitution not a religious holy book.

MUJAHID KI AZAAN AUR WAALI BAAT MAMOOLI NAHIN HAI, MULLAH KI AZAAN KISI AUR MAQSAD KE LIYE HAI

Mullah followers pooja paat muslims cannot understand the true spirit of islam till they let go mullaiyat and start studying the quran as a divine constitution themselves. This is why the quran asks people to be thoughtful ie think think and think.

Do you my brethren not find it strange that you call quran the constitution of islam yet you or the mullahs cannot show anything from the quran that proves it is divine constitution?

It is because the king owned mullahs long time ago masked the terms used in the quran with their own make belief interpretations and that is how they misrepresented islam to public at large. Mass media is very effective even today to spread lies and so it was in times gone by ie kings and mullahs knew what they wanted so they set out and achieved it. Masses have been suffering ever since. Prophetic set up was brought down through conspiracies. Masses are easily misled and remain in that state till life gets really difficult for them to rise up.

So one needs to know how revolutions come about. It is people who want something work for it trying to get support of people that matter and then things change in their direction. The prophetic mission is changing things for the betterment of humanity through waking up people and providing them with futuristic program based upon solid foundation of constitution.

So my advice to all of you is please take time and try to understand the quran yourselves. Don't be misled by mullahs in to thinking this person is rubbish and that person is rubbish. Ask mullahs hard questions so that you expose them for what they are.

We all need to have courage like sir syed, iqbal, jinnah and parwez to think and say what we think and be prepared to listen if anyone has better things to say than ourselves.

It is not a good thing to not to listen to others. Even mullahs are not wrong in everything they say. It is up to ourselves how well we prepare ourselves to see right from wrong. Look after your own interest don't leave it to others.

What is sunnah?

Word Sunnah is from root SEEN, NOON and NOON. It has many meanings eg path, tradition, habit, age, era, formula, rule, law etc etc.

Within itself the word carries the meaning of being prompted to act on something and leave a trace for others to follow eg some one decides to do something so he sets things in motion in reaction to his thought of doing something or some one tells some one to do something so in reaction to that some one does something and leaves clues or traces to this effect.

In relation to islam sunnah could be of Allah, the prophet or even shaitan ie a person who does harmful or destructive things against the interest of common humanity.

Here I am going to explain the sunnah in context of prophetic mission ie the reaction of prophet to divine constitution and commandments etc.

Islam in quranic context is all about freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity of humanity.

Islam=peace mainly between people in the land or earth and peace is impossible between human beings unless they have some agreement between them which contains conditions or terms of their agreement. The quran is that constitution that provides that basis for all human beings.

Freedom means no man can be master or slave of another man be he a prophet of Allah. In fact according to quran it is not fitting for a prophet that Allah gives him his book and yet he tells people be my slaves or servants 3/79. All people are bound in brotherhood of humanity ie no masters no slaves. No imperialism nor priesthood ie no malukiyat nor mullaiyat. None can rule people in the name of country as a king nor in the name of religion as a mullah.

Since the quran is divine constitution for mankind and people need a constitution for organising their societies for a set purpose or goal so anything that is told in the constitution has to be interpreted in that context. So any terms used in the quran must be interpreted within this context.

Since the quran is constitution of islam for the whole mankind, word sunnah of the prophet can only have a specific meanings. Any other meanings will not fit in or will cause problems. For example, some mullahs defined sunnah of the prophet as all his words, deeds and approvals by his silence etc as his sunnah. Any muslim who has some information about this subject and has sense of reality of life will be able to see a lot of things wrong with definitions of sunnah of the prophet by all the mullahs of all the sects. One has to ask what went wrong? The answer is only given by sir syed and iqbal like people not mullahs. Sir syed draws our attention to rationality and iqbal to deen v mazhab and fasaad by malukiyati mullahs in the ummah in the name of mullah made shariat of islam.

Mullahs told ummah to live like the prophet by being like or doing exactly what he did in 7th century arabian settings. If he travelled by camel then that is the sunnah and if he used smoke signals so should we. If he wore a dress we should dress like him and so on. This is not at all islam. Why not? Because it goes directly against the goals, aims and objectives or terms and conditions of islamic constitution=the quran. By following mullahs' islam people can never achieve the set goal of peace. There can never be peace in the world between human beings if we followed mullahs interpretation of islam which they did to please their kings long way back in time. This is how kings separated God from kingdom and we know it as separation between religion and state or secularism and religion or church and state or mosque and state or imperialism and religionism or papaiyat or priesthood etc etc.

1)The fact is that people live as they live each according to his own nature or personality.

2)No two people are alike nor are they expected to be.

3)It is not possible to know each and every move of anyone ever.

4)It is not possible to have information about anyone to each and every minute detail

5)It is not possible to transmit vast information perfectly.

6)The prophet was a man not a woman, he lived like a man not like a woman. Women cannot grow beard and they have periods and give birth etc etc.

So any information of this nature cannot be called sunnah of the prophet because most of such information does not even exist.

The quran telling us the life of the prophet is best example for us to follow cannot mean this because the quran was not sent for us to do the impossible. So anyone who interprets the quran in an impractical way is misinterpreting the quran.

Even in the quran there are verses which according to existing interpretations tell us that certain things were only and only for the prophet and not for his followers. This tells us very clearly that the whole life of the prophet is not an example for us to follow but only certain of his actions in reaction to divine commandments for a set purpose.

The other factor is the changing world in which we live ie we all were born babies but we did not remain babies. So things that change with time and place cannot be defined as sunnah either. In story of the quran as interpreted by mullahs Adam and Eve wore leaves of the trees as clothes. Does that mean all their children should do that because that is sunnah of our parents, who were also9 parents of all the prophets? Why then our prophet did not wear tree leaves as his clothes because that is what his parents wore? Why did he not live in caves like prophets before him to follow their sunnah? All such like recorded incidences tell us these do not come under definition of sunnah of the prophets.

All these things force us by way of reason to define sunnah objectively. So the question is what is sunnah purpose wise?

The only answer is that Allah sent the prophet with his mission like a king sends his general for a battle to the battle ground to fight the war.

The question is, what role his followers ought to play? They are supposed to learn his goals, principles for his ways and means and help accomplish the goals. The followers are supposed to be supporters of their prophets ie they are supposed to help them do what they came to do. Like children help their parents or army helps its general to win the battle he comes in the battle field for.

This has nothing to do with kurta pajaama or pagdi per se because a man has to wear clothes. People live as they see their societies living. The fight is all about what is right and what is wrong and why?

In this context if we have to do things we should do them the right way ie we must have right goals and use right ways and means to achieve them.

Now coming to beard it is not the sunnah of the prophet at all rather that is the way his society used to live. All he did was told people to do things such a way that they look right and good. You wear clothes but ensure they fulfil their purposes eg they cover your body, they provide needed protection eg from heat and cold etc, they are nice and clean and and they look great on you when you wear them.

You have a beard then look after it ie don't make it look terrible on you because that will reflect badly on your personality. You wash your beard, comb it, trim it properly etc etc.

I hope my explanation helps understand the definition of word sunnah It will be good idea for us to question our mullahs and expose them for what they really are ie people who follow others in doing things without any research and exploration of their own.

Why Islam V Imperialism, Mulluhism, Secularism, democracy etc

It should be obvious from my posts as to why Islam opposes imperialism, mullaism, secularism and democracy etc. Implementation of quran as islamic constitution was the reason for creation of pakistan to show the world a working model of islam just like the prophet of islam created the state of madinah in order to convince the world only islam was the way forward for humanity, socially, politically, culturally and most importantly economy wise. This was not an over night inception but through actions and reactions within muslims as well as between muslims and nonmuslims. It does take time for things to sink in as to what is going on all around and whether it is good or bad for a people and how to react to it. Only people like sir syed and iqbal had that little bit extra insight where others failed. However it is unfortunate that ground that was gained by sir syed and iqbal like great muslim thinkers was not held by the community they entrusted it to. It is because even though muslims succeeded in gaining a separate identity they did not turn it into a reality that iqbal and jinnah expressed their desire for.

Most people of pakistan have no idea what two nation theory was all about and remain confused about it. This is how hindus were easily manipulated by rivals of muslims to instigate troubles. The whole idea was so easy to explain and understand. The separation of pakistan from india was like separation between brothers but it was turned into a terrible nightmare due to manipulation of people with harmful and destructive agendas of some self serving power hungry people.

All that these insightful muslim leaders wanted was islamic constitution in place in a piece of land in order to better the lot of people in the land. These people did not want imperialist islam, they did not want mullah's islam and they certainly did not want capitalism based economic system. This is why british were showing animosity to muslims but not to hindus because hindus leaders like gandhi and nehru would implement british system even after independence of india. This meant monopoly of british over india would stay in place even after british leave india. This also explains why paksitan was never accepted as an independent state ever. It explains why british divided states which were supposed to be part of pakistan because they were majority muslim state eg punjab. kashmir was handed to india likewise through conspiracies.

It was not nonmuslims' animosity with muslim people other than their economic interest but mainly ideology of islam because if islam got foot-hold in a place then that would spell end of all the ideologies in the world as explained very clearly in the quran. This also explains why nonmuslim powerful and wealthy state administrations and people behind them support mullahs and madrassas in muslim and nonmuslim countries because it is mullahs who misinterpret and misrepresent islam to their masses to suit the rich and wealthy people who are in governments or behind them all over the world. The so called secular democracy means absolutely nothing when only rich and powerful people can become leaders of a community to exploit their own weak and poor people as well as the others. Exactly what kings and mullahs did after the prophet and what is ruling elite and their mullahs are doing to pakistan and other muslims countries through out the world. This is why once one understands two nation theory all pieces of jigsaw fall in to place.

The very idea that muslims cannot live with nnonmuslims is utterly stupid and is used as a propaganda tool. Islam is not at all about separating people on any basis whatsoever save man cannot be master or slave of another man regardless a muslim or a nonmuslim. It is because there are pharaohs in this world or wolves in sheep clothing that islam wants all people to unite and fight against them to take away their control over land and resources, means of production and distribution. The earth belongs to none but God and all people are his children and have equal right to all there is in this world. This is what is explained right in the beginning of the quran. People are free to manipulate all there is so long as they do it together with full cooperation for the good of humanity as a whole. A muslims cannot stop a nonmuslim brother or sister from his heavenly granted right and he is not allowed to let anyone take away his own right either. You do no harm to anyone but at the same time you are not allowed to let others harm you either. Willingly people can die for each other but force is not allowed for harming each other. This is how islam means peace.

The whole idea was to take a piece of land and try governing it by the ideas stated in the quran for the purpose of peace. Nothing to do with separation of people at all. Muslims did not take any piece of land from india which did not already belong to them ie they were already living in that land which they wanted to use for this experiment and others did not like it and created problems for muslims. Thus these ignorant people not only ruined muslims but also other human beings. Today the whole world is in turmoil and does not know which way to turn. Had these stupid short sighted people allowed those far sighted muslims complete their pilot project today the whole world would have been in peace seeing that project successful. All people want a good peaceful life save a few with destructive and harmful mindset so once muslims would have shown the way all would have followed suit.

Jinnah did not use islam to gather muslims but secularism and dangers it posed. I would like you to think about consequences for playing islamic card. This card would have divided muslim ummah in india even more thanks to mullahs and their backer imperial powers so it would have created yet more dangerous situation for muslims. The very reason that muslims did not divide yet more on basis of islam tells us very clearly that Pakistan was to be such a muslim state that was not to be based on western concept of secularism and democracy. Why not? Because secularism would have been a harmful and dangerous theefore an immoral base to begin with. It is not corruption in the system but system is set on the foundation of corruption. Wait till we all realise it yet more let things get yet worse.

One has to realise that western secularism is for western democracy and western democracy is for capitalism and free market and that is for negative competition which can only and only produce one end result ie total destruction of weak and poor people and nations ie a huge divide between those who have and those who have not leading to countless unrests amnd wars. Moreover capitalism and free market only suits those who have capital and not those who only have to offer their labour.

If you have your foundation wrong whatever you build on it will not be right. India has wrong foundation ie secular democracy based upon capitalism and free market, which is based on negative competition. This is evil system to the very core. It leaves no dignity for a human being. People are forced to behave like dogs.

On the contrary two nation theory is build on solid foundation but muslims so far have not been able to understand it never mind being able to build upon it. Two nation theory was a multi-facet project that has yet to be phased in or realised in Pakistan. However when it is then Pakistan will be a great nation if we get a breathing space from our enemies.

Let me give you something to think about.

Let us supposed that person A is an employer and needs a worker. In the system that you promote, he will be looking for a person who could give him most possible work but in return accepts from him least possible wage. After all this is what negative competition is all about.

The worker is in need of job otherwise he will have nothing to live on. Person A advertises his vacancy and there are hundreds of people at his door looking for the very same job. He has the power to decide terms and pay not the workers at his door. It is same for you if you are looking for a loan from the bank where it is the bank that sets terms and interest rate and since you are desperate for loan you are forced to accept any terms and sign at the bottom of the loan agreement.

Where is yours or the worker's dignity in this and how can you or the worker keep even your humanity? Person A cannot employ everyone and therefore if he is a decent human being he will have heavy heart when refusing job to others who may need it more than the guy he hires, otherwise he is just a dog looking for a kill, which takes away his humanity and dignity. On the other side each person looking for job will be trying to put down the next person so that this person gets the job. Is there any dignity in this for the people looking for work? Another twist is that your business competitors are trying to run you out of your business by under cutting you. Employers under cutting employers and workers under cutting workers and employers under cutting workers.

Can you therefore see the downward spiral and where it leads us all one by one? This is the end result of what many of us are supporting knowingly or unknowingly. This kind of competition has nothing to do with humanity or merit, for they are positive trends for going upwards not in pit of hell. It should be very clear to such people who are looking for success in this kind of system how destructive this system is for humanity as a whole. So only an ignorant or a devil will support this system not a human being with brains.

This is why today humanity is in bits because we are breaking up communities, tribes, clans, extended families, core family units and finally individuals are also breaking down nervously. Is this the kind of world we want?

All this very clearly shows that we are our own worst enemies. This is what the quranic system opposes which whole world is fighting against thanks to stupidity of people who are not bothered to understand the divine message nor the needs of humanity itself. What a wonderful world and what a wonderful people!

We pride ourselves telling each other look at how many billionaires we have in our countries. Is it not the time to count the number of billionaires in contrast to the million they have destroyed in the process of trying to become billionaires. This is the difference between a human being with brains and the animal who looks like a human being but has no brain.

Success is to try and be happy yourself and help others to be happy as well. Your happiness is not real if you took off smile from faces of many others and deep inside you will not find peace and you will not be able to face the man in the mirror.

My advice please don't fight islam, learn it and support it because this is the only way to change the world for the better. Don't be critical of people who stand for God and humanity but be critical of anti humanist systems, people and other elements. Otherwise one is born to hate oneself because that is what hating humanity means. If we have humanity then we must work for the good of mankind and not support ideas and things that go against that. After all if I am doing ok, are those people as well upon whom I depend for my own well being and happiness?

We are not animals like other animals but human beings with brains, we should not live by nature but understand nature and control it for the good of humanity. If we lived by nature then there is no difference between us and other animals because animals accept nature and live by it ie they are not able to change their environment much but we are capable of changing natural environment at a much greater scale, so, let us work towards better world and not make it a hell hole. It is time to raise our thinking level.

Re: Have We Understood The Quran Properly?

Why understanding islam properly is of fundamental importance?

Please think critically about islam if you are really interested in islam. You need to ask yourselves what is islam? Islam is a goal set by God for mankind to achieve or establish or accomplish in this world. The word itself simply means peace.

The quran is divine constitution of islam. It sets out terms and conditions for mankind to agree upon if they want or need peace. It is because without meeting these terms and conditions peace between people is impossible.

If anyone disagrees on this goal then he is challenged to come up with some other even better goal. If one does not accept working for peace and does not come with anything better than this then one is obviously looking for fights and wars. This is is why there is clear divide between those who see need for peace or want peace and those who do not and they are looking forward to opportunities or for creating opportunities for fights and wars. This is how then quran defines who is muslims and who is kaafir ie you are either with islam or you are against it.

The terms and conditions for peace are freedom of man from man ie none is master or slave of anyone else. Justice and fairness but based upon compassion and brotherly concern for each other. All this for ensuring human progress and prosperity so that all people could live in peace without envying each other or without animosity towards each other.

This is the context of the quran in which whole of the quran must be interpreted and if you do not then you are a trouble maker because you do not know context of the quran and you are just giving meanings to verses without really knowing the bigger picture. This is how kings and mullahs dismantled islamic mosaic soon after the prophet. From then on people went in lot of different ways and some to this day. All this because we do not read the quran nor try and look at what the world is. For proper understanding of the quran one must be a learned person who is aware of the world in which we all live.

The quran is rational at least on a few fundamental basis;

1)People have brains and they can reason.

2)Nothing can be understood without learning and becoming wise about it.

3)The quran itself points to reason through so many explanations about things in the natural world eg explains natural phenomena, processes and mechanisms.

4)The quran claims to be divine constitution and constitution has to be rational otherwise it is not a constitution.

5) The quran claims to be guidance and guidance has to be rational or it would make no sense to its readers whom it wants to guide.

6) The quran claims to be for all people so if people do not have any common ground or mechanism for understanding it or if they do not have common rules of wisdom then the quran will be useless book because there is no other way to communicate information between human beings.

7) The quran wants peaceful campaign for its spread not armed struggle. However it wants muslims to remain ready for that too because once islam starts spreading it is going to step on the foot of harmful and destructive people who are already looking for a reasons to start fights and wars. Unless muslims defend themselves and people who support them and those who are oppressed and suppressed then there will not be left any muslims to spread the message of islam. This is what dawa and jihad are all about. islam wants nothing less then peace, progress and prosperity of humanity and once that is established the mission is accomplished.

This should explain what was the reason for creation of pakistan ie just to show the world a working model of islam so that if people liked it they could do the same in their own countries.

The prophet of of islam showed the working model of islam but thanks to kings and mullahs that state was dismantled soon after him in the 3rd generation. However we are lucky that all pieces of that mosaic are still in our bag like a complete jigsaw puzzle and we need to sit and work on reconstructing that picture and then build our world once more on that model.

So time to concentrate on what the quran really says not what mullahs spread around to mask the quranic truth. All make beliefs therefore must be discarded because so long as we stick to our make beliefs we can never understand the quran and never discover actual islam that was established by the prophet.

By dismantling the working model of islam muslims were led into confusion because imperial powers are not easy to resist. The people who had imperial mindset remained hidden in time of the prophet but they kept on working as much as they could towards re-establishing imperialism after the prophet removed it for establishing islam and so when they got opportunities they jumped at them and did their best to destroy islam in life time of the prophet. In short imperialists have been working against divine rule always and they are at work even today. This is of vital importance to realise.

8) The quran is a very detailed book when it comes to explanations of its role as a nation building manual and a constitution. It explains what a campaign is, how to campaign, and what for and when people come together how to bind them into a properly organised community and set up administration for them from among them and then goes on to explain procedures regarding the organisation and administration and so on and so forth. The quran leaves out nothing essential in these matters because it knows very well that unless a community is well organised and had good administration to accomplish and maintain peace, progress and prosperity is impossible. This is why quran warns us, not to get slack in our knowledge of quran or in following what we learn because otherwise the whole things will fall apart and then it will not be easy to rebuilt all this.

Now one should go and compare what the quran teaches and what mullahs teach and what muslims follow and see if it truly represents islam anywhere in the world. If we continue taking that sense of islam as true and continue following that islam as we have been then what makes any of us think that we will get any different results than what we have been getting so far?

This should be enough to ring bells that we do need to have another good look at the quran and this time we must give it a look that it really deserves. It is because failing that will mean things will remain for masses as they have been ie slavery of masters.

This is why we must follow islam rationally as advised by sir syed and as a deen as advised by iqbal because these like people really had the right understanding of the quran in matters that really matter for the ummah.

No one rejected the hadith but yes all people reject those ahadith that they think are not ahadith of the prophet. They give their reasons for that and we should consider those and if they are found wrong then we will reject their assumptions regarding those reports. Otherwise sunnies do not accept shia hadith reports and shias do the same as regard sunni hadith reports. None of them are declared kaafir. Likewise ulema from sunnies and ulema from shias reject so many hadith reports even from within their own hadith books.

Moreover looking at tafaseer books one will see so many differences on so many levels regarding so many different things. If the prophet had explained the quran the way some people claim then again so many question arise eg why the differences? Where are all the explanations the prophet gave about all the verses? There is no answer for these like questions because many of these reports were invented to divert the quran under guidance of mullahs for their kings to find for them loop holes so that they could be free to use and abuse their own people and then use them to use and abuse other people in the name of God and islam.

These people were and still are responsible for making each other slaves, they created poverty for their own people and took away brotherhood and introduced animosity between their own people in order to further their own harmful and destructive personal interests. These kings gave mullahs backing to create nonsense personal laws in the name of islam and called it shariah and then used them to create state within state by getting control over private lives of individuals and that is what they are doing to date and this is what was responsible or was obstacle at the time of creation of pakistan because mullahs knew that if pakistan was created on basis of proper islam then they will losetheir power over private lives of individuals and so they will have to find some other way to earn their living. Even after creation of pakitanm ask yourselves, why there is no islamic law in pakistan? It is because of mullahs grip on jugular vein of people. They have psychologically damaged the ignorant public that they are afraid even to step outside their own doors without seeking permission of their mullahs.

This is why sir syed, iqbal, jinnah, parwez, etc etc cannot be paralleled by any of the mullahs of any sect and that can be very easily proven because mullahs and their followers can be very easily defeated in discussions and debates and that is why when they discuss and debate things they reply by danga fasaad=causing troubles and confusion. So that the end results of their discussions remain unknown and public remains confused. Also they discuss things that do not matter much for the ummah.

This explains why we are losing people to secularism, because true concept of islam is not known to people. People who want to know islam rationally are thrown out by mullahs because they cannot answer their questions and ignorant who follow mullahs they do not know much about anything. It is good enough for them that their mullahs tell them make halwah and we will pray over it and your dady, mummy, etc will be ok in their graves and hereafter. Or people are busy running after magic and jinns so that they get what they want or so their worldly problems are solves as per their wishes without really bothering to do what needs to be done ie people looking for a free ride=looking for something for nothing ignoring the God set universal laws that make the world go round.

No wonder people laugh at what we think islam is as a result of our ignorance about islam and we attribute that islam to the quran and Allah. What a shame but what can I say other than pray that Allah help us to use his guidance for its rightful purpose. So that we make our world a better place for all of us in his name so that we end up in even better life in hereafter.

This is why rational thought and critical examination of things is natural otherwise we would not learn from our mistakes and there will not be any point in learning or teaching. After all what is learning and teaching all about? In our childhood our parents approve or disapprove our words and deeds. This is criticism and teaching because the whole idea is based upon dos and don'ts and the reasons why do or why don't do things.

Coming to scriptures, all religious scriptures tell there followers to ensure they do right as per definition of scripture and not do wrongs as per definition of scriptures. In short without criticism development or even change is impossible.

Don't be critical is false teaching by false teachers to hide behind this cover their own weaknesses and falsehood so that others do not discover their harmful and destructive plots, motives, intentions and conspiracies.

It is because most of the people do not examine things carefully that they are made fools by their rulers be they politicians or their mullahs etc. Those nations that examine things develop faster. It is because through each others help individuals raise their level of thinking and once you can think better obviously you better yourself and your home, your country and your world.

It is shutting of our thought process that makes us animals or even worse.

If humanity was good at thinking it would not be as harmful and destructive for itself by today as it has been for thousands of generations. This harm and destruction to humanity will continue so long as people keep buried their heads in the sand playing silly games with each other.

The main reason we do not understand the quran is because we cannot yet think at the level the quran requires for its proper understanding or realisation. The quran is divine template for humanity and till people raise themselves to the level of understanding this road map, they can never install the quranic system or establish and accomplish it.

What the quran requires is not just one person's realisation but of each and everyone because without it human society cannot free itself of its problems. In short if you do not see the need for peace you are not going to work for it. If you do not see the need for a law then you are not going to legislate it or implement it even if law is already there. Just as it is need that is said to be mother of invention so it is realisation of need of peace that will help understand the quran for its real purpose in mind.

What it tells us is that we need more and more criticism of each and everything in the name of God so that only what stand criticism remains for us to consider. This is very, very important point I am raising. It is like you kill a bird for its meat and you keep taking away all the things from it that you consider rubbish till you are only left with meat that you want. This is how when we manage to tear away all falsehood the truth will become exposed to us. Likewise when all make beliefs in which the quran is wrapped are torn away one by one we will see what the quran is really all about. There are not many in the world who realise this truth about the quran. So people who know the quran they encourage that people criticise the quran more and more so that more and more clarifications come forth and make it more and more evident that it is the truth from God for the good of mankind.

Going the other way round people will keep on wrapping the quran in more and more false beliefs and so the truth will become more and more covered up in their falsehood and will therefore take more and more time to be rediscovered the while humanity suffers terribly the pain ie live a life in hell.

What I see is that deep down in ignorant muslim minds there is a fear that if people are allowed to criticise the quran then islam would be found out to be just another falsehood. This is how our ignorance causes us to undermine the real divine truth. We have so called false defenders= thekedaar of divine truth who are actually scared to find out that their make beliefs will prove false in light of the quran if people were allowed to go through with their critical studies of the quran. This is why they try their tricks for stopping discussion on the quran and islam.

It is beyond argument that religions are a conspiracy against divine rule by kings and today by ruling elite world wide. It is easy to keep people ignorant and to use and abuse them in the name of God. It is all a matter of redefining virtue. You waste time in ritualism so that you have no time to think just in case you think and find out what is really going on in this world of ours so all sorts of tactic are used to keep people engaged in wrong things instead of serious things that matter for humanity.

The question is, how did mullahs manage to misinterpret the quran? This is done through taking people away from reading the quran and from studying it ie other stories were invented and so people became interested in them instead of the quran because these stories told people how to become good human being by virtue of ritualism. This good became keeping with rituals and bad became not keeping up with rituals. You sit in isolation and say Allah Allah so many times sort of things. The more you do things like this the more you get near to God we are told instead what kind of world God wants people to create for themselves.

The meanings of words in the quran were given wrong context ie context of religion rather than constitution=deen. For example, take word ZOJUKA=it means your wife in one context but your colleague or fellow worker in another context.

Take words MAA MALAKAT AIMAANUKUM=your slaves and maids in one context ie in context of imperialism to justify it but people serving under your responsibility in another context eg in an administration based upon the quranic guidance.

Take human relationship words eg UMMI=biological mother in one context but mother the foundational base in another context eg mother or daughter organisation or administration or for that matter sister organisation or company or country.

So depends on in which context you read the quran you are bound to interpret it accordingly. By giving religious twist to the quranic context and moving people away from the quran mullahs succeeded in reprogramming muslims minds making people available for use and abuse of their kings thus brotherhood based upon humanity among muslims was destroyed and so muslims became master and slaves of each other instead. This is how they destroyed imperialism under the prphet but reinstated it after him even in their own states. So to reverse all this we must reinterpret the quran back to what it meant to be in time of the prophet having purpose of the quran in fore front of our minds.

This also explains and exposes the reality of invention of concept of shane nazool (=reason for revelation of odd verses or surahs) because why is it that we have shane nazool only about some of the verses rather than the whole of the qurtan? It is because mullahs wanted to twist the quran only in some places and not in others.

The text of the quran is very clear from its natural context. However that cannot be understood unless you have awareness as to what a constitution is upon which are founded or build nations. The quran is such a constitution around which the prophet of islam gathered people to bring about an ideological community. The quran is not a religious book at all because religion is creation of priestly classes on behest of kings so that God has nothing to do with ruling the earth. The earth belongs to kings not God and the quran opposes that and that is the reason the quran must be taken out. This is how mullahs deliberately misinterpreted the quran and misrepresented it to people so that kings could have things their way. Kings created parallel concepts as religions and spread them with full backing of imperial powers. This is clear if one is familiar with history of nations. Religion and state separation is not new at all rather it has been the case always. This is why even today ruling elite through out the world funds religious institutions because it benefits them that way. Billions of people in the world are living terrible lives yet huge masjids, muadrassas and churches and mandirs and temples etc attract all the cash. Conspiracies and wars are order of the day, why? Think! think! think!

Islam is a goal set by Allah for humanity and Allah challenges that humans cannot have any goal better than islam ie living for peace. Allah also sets forth terms and conditions in the quran which one has to accept for peace ie freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity for mankind and challenges mankind that they cannot have any better terms and conditions for peace between themselves than these.

Allah also explains how to campaign for gathering humanity on this basis as a community and explains how to set up communities and administrations to accomplish true peace between mankind in the world so that humanity frees itself from internal strifes and gets on with the road map to progress and prosperity. Of course the quran tells us procedures and many other things about administrations and communities beside setup to peacefully changing over of administrations and to keep out nepotism by not employing family members and to stop corruption through community monitoring administrations and administration monitoring communities. All this because if you do not have goodset up then you cannot accomplish peace within or outside.

This is major miracle of the quran that even muslims do not talk about because they never studied the quran in this context instead they look at the quran as a book of miraculous stories and wait for saviours to come and save them not realising that they are told in the quran stories of the past people to learn how those ordinary people turned their bad situations round all by themselves with hard work based upon guidance of divine revelations for revolutions.

The quran gives humanity a great package but are people ready to make sense of it and use it? I am not that sure yet because most muslims I find read the quran to make jinn bhoot go away or try to get their ancestors forgiven for their sins beyond that quran hardy serves any purpose for them. This is obvious because I see no country actually using the quran as its actual constitution. It is because they have not yet even interpreted the quran as a divine constitution and that is because either they do not understand the quran or they do not want the quran because in their hearts is disease to dominate and enslave others. Sir syed told them to take quran seriously then iqbal told them the same thing jinnah even got them a country but we will not implement quran, why not? It is because rulers study in anti islam schools and universities and mullahs study in anti islam madrassas and daarul alooms.

Re: Have We Understood The Quran Properly?

ISLAM V ISLAM BUT WHY?

By reading so many posts on this forum I realised that we have a split regarding what islam really is. Thank you for clarifying your positions and I am glad that you did because this gives me opportunity to explain the fact islam is deen not a mazhab. In other words islam has nothing to do with dogmas, superstition, demons and magic or mysteries etc. Islam is a goal set for mankind by their creator and the quran is its revolutionary text book, manifesto and constitution all in one.

In order to understand islam properly and therefore to know why all existing translations/interpretations of the quran are wrong one needs to know about imperialism, role of imperial priests though out history and origin of split between religion and state as a trick or ploy to fight against divine rule. Kings and priests used each other to gain power over land and people by throwing God out of his kingdom through their tricks against their own masses as well as by using their own masses against others. Kings gained right to dictate their own laws in their kingdoms in the name of God through backing of their priests who confined God to heavens and then priests by their tricks invented so called personal or private laws in the name of God and controlled private lives of their people. Thus land became property of kings and people became property of priests to use and abuse at will in the name of God.

The quran makes this point very clear and tells us none has the right to rule in the name of God save God himself and this is how the quran defines shirk, which is in fact rebellion against God by these people who do not rule by constitution of God.

This sets the context in which the quran makes sense but since the quran taught human brotherhood in the name of God not slavery of man for man the kings and their mullahs masked the quran by their deliberate misinterpretations and misrepresentations in order to move quranic islam out of their way. They also invented some ahadith and some laws as shariah of islam in order to move people away from the quran by telling them virtue lies in things that had no benefits for people themselves as individuals nor as a community.

This explains why religious people are totally unreasonable because that is how ignorant people have been programmed. Spreading ignorance, diverting teachings and masking the true meanings of the quranic terminology all played part in creating the state in which we find muslims nations today.

This also explains why would rich and powerful people and governments would support mullahs and madrassas to give bad name to islam and keep muslims ignorant so that they could quietly take away or take over their lands and resources without much resistance. It is like you give a sweet to a child and take away from him the piece of gold.

This also explains origin of TAREEQAT=the way of God or the way to God. As Allah sent prophets and books and the divine rule was established on the earth by prophets and their followers, each time some bullies rose from within the community and began to dominate others and so ended divine rules on the earth. These people then did not tolerate those who really looked back to divine kingdom and wished to recreate it. Such people were brutally murdered because they posed danger to rules of kings and priests. As a result each time these people came under threat they started underground movements spreading proper message person to person in order to gain enough support to bring back the divine rule. So these so called soofi movements were reactionary movements to what kings and priests did to divine rule in the divine kingdom. This is why nobody knows origin of these movements because they were started as secret movements. Just as shariah rule was divine rule once up a time so tareeqat was original movement to bring back divine rule after it was dismantled. However even secret movement do not remain secret because ruling powers infiltrate them and then divert them to their own agendas if they cannot then they are destroyed. All these explanations fit all pieces of jigsaw together nicely. This is how they prove that this is the best explanation for their existence and their purpose. Tareeqat had nothing to do with superstition but after it was infiltrated then movements was derailed and so it too became a matter of purposeless ritualism.

The context of the quran is of vital importance to understand the quran. Without having the purpose of the quran in your mind you cannot understand the reason as to why a word should be taken to mean one thing in one place in its context but in another context it ought to be taken in another sense.

Let me give you a couple of examples, take the words ZOJUKA= should you translate it as your wife or as your companion? It depends on the context ie if the context is private family life discussion, you can translate it as your wife but suppose the context was constitutional state administration and talking was about work colleagues? You will be forced by context to translate it as fellow administrator or fellow worker etc in administration.

Take another example, MAA MALAKAT AIMAANUKUM=if context was imperialism then these words would mean your slaves and maids but if you were talking in context of a constitutional administration the same words would means people working under your responsibility.

Take more examples in general use of language eg family relationship words.

UMMI=biological mother in one sense but you could be talking about a mother company, daughter organisation or sister country or community.

AABAA=bilogical father but could be predecessor, father of nation or tribe or first man who did something in some sense or someone who has some importance in role eg like a father is important for family.

Brother could be biological brother and person who supports you in some sense eg fellow countryman, fellow human etc etc.

JIBAAL=mountains when talk about hills protruding from the earth however if we are talking about a human society then jibaal means heavy weights in the community ie people who have influence in the community.

SAMAA and ARD=heaven and earth but when used in sense of community it means people who have high status in society and people who live down to earth level or even in a ditch ie indignity.

JANNAT= garden or blissful place or state or divine kingdom here or inhereafter.

These examples should be enough to show when a word means what in the quran depends on what do you know about the quran and islam. For short, islam is a set goal for humanity by Allah to accomplish here on the earth for peace, progress and prosperity of the humanity itself.

The quran is text book for a revolution to change the world from what it is to what it should be ie before mankind the earth was a paradise but after creation of man due to man's self indulgence it became hell and Allah has been sending prophets and books to educate man to be a proper human being and make this earth a paradise like it used to be.

So the struggle between illiterate and ignorant human beings who want to decide everything by force and the ones educated and wise had been going on ever since. And people who are educated and think things through are making the difference little by little. The need for making this process quicker and quicker is obvious if we want to avoid a lot of pain and suffering that humanity is going through.

The quran sets terms and condition for peace for mankind and it is manifesto of islam for people who wish to join it and a constitution to build a good society or community upon so that peace could be achieved between people so that then together through full cooperation and hard work humanity makes progress and becomes prosperous in the name of Allah and if it makes that commitment and works for it or succeeds in doing that Allah will reward it in hereafter for what it would have achieved for itself.

Those who will put obstacles in its way and cause harm and destruction instead would have a lot to regret over in the hereafter when they are made to realise what they did and how wrong it was.

Allah is not a tyrant and he did not create world for testing people to reward and punish them. This is all mullahs made stuff. Allah is very kind being and like a good father figure decided to have creation and then he wanted people to be free agents so he gave them everything including his advice and let them do as they please and face the outcome of their own actions. The quran explains all that is essential regarding the world and people this is why understanding the quran will save us from wasting our time and effort in doing useless things. It is like our parents tell us to go from a to b and give us road map to get there but we decide to go our own way throwing away the map and getting into all sorts of troubles and blaming our parents for all this.

1) It is necessary for all who wish to talk to realise that language itself is the only way to communicate one's thoughts. Thoughts only make sense when they are rational or logical. LOGIC=MANTAQ=way of communication=language=vehicle for communication. So if it is not logical it is not a communication because what you are trying to communicate or covey makes no sense to those to whom you communicate.

2)All things that happen are bound by divine laws=physical laws=natural laws. Since all things that happen according to some law regardless e know that law or not therefore they have explanation regardless we knopw that explanation or not.

3)MOJIZA=aqlan aajiz kar dene waali mantaqi daleel. We see lawyers doing that everyday in courts of law all over the world to prove or disprove each others claims and allegations. A claim is either proved or disproved only by one party making such a reasonable point that the other party cannot undo it by their reasoning and so one party stops the other in its tracks thereby proving or disproving a claim that they fight over. MOJIZA does not means anything that has nothing to do with aqal.

4)By rejecting aqal one denies being a human being because the only thing that really makes difference is man's ability to understand things beyond the level of animals and that is why man is able to change his environment to suit him at much greater scale than any animal. For the same reason Allah tells him to go and control the natural world and use it for the benefit of mankind. So if one denies being above animals then none would bother communicating with such an animal. People love such animals who are willing to learn to communicate with humans but not those who do not. Human babies are born ignorant 16/78 but are normally capable of learning and that is why even though they are just animals in human shape within several years of their life they can prove they are above animals. Therefore one denies oneself right of being heard if one wishes to remain an animal after being born by not learning thereby refusing to become a human being. This also shows we Allah calls some people animals or even worst.

5) Imperial mullahs were animals because they were disloyal to humanity on behest of some bully boys who wanted to have the whole human world under their dirty thumb. This is why they employed there dirty animals to destroy rule of Allah in the earth each time prophets of Allah installed it for the benefit of humanity. Emperors ruled the world by telling people through their priests that God only rules in the heaven not on the earth. Earth for to be rules by these scoundrels. This is how kings and mullahs invented state and religion concept and promoted it by full force of imperial power. This is why kings made laws for state affairs using name of God and mullahs made laws in the name of God for controlling private lives of people and both together then used and abused their people. This is why kings' islam is not real islam and mullahs' islam is not real islam either. It is because it inflicted harm and destruction upon individual as well as upon whole of humanity instead of leading them to peace, progress and prosperity.

6)It should leave one in no doubt that sir syed understood this point very well seeing how mullahs have turned muslims ummah into an ignorant people and therefore in to a dead nation or ummah. He was the only one who began to look for solutions after knowing what the problem was ie lack of proper education that makes people logical thinkers. Education is opposed by rulers always because when public become educated it becomes self aware and tries to understand its problems and realises their solutions. Since main problems are rulers regardless in form of kings, politicians or their mullahs so as soon as public becomes educated it can see its enemies and that means it is going to turn their rule upside down therefore they ensure in many different way that public remain illiterate or less educated. However it has doubt edge effect ie even though rulers succeed in making fool of their own people under them,others from outside may become aware of this weakness and therefore attack the people from outside and take over the land of these weaklings, killing all people or keep some as slaves and maids.

This is like a bad family where the ignorant father of the house tries to keep his wife and kids under his thumb. He does not want them to become clever than him because if they did he fears they will then not listen to him. The down side is that when these kids grow up they cannot compete with kids of the families that based their cooperation upon reasoning thing through together. So one can see if control is by rule of law or house keeping rules then all are bound by same laws and rules so everyone knows his cut out part in this that one has to play but full heartfelt cooperation is fundamental for this idea to succeed. However if control is to be by force then whenever a situation arises for doing anything some body will have to become controlling freak to make everyone do the same thing that the controlling freak wants regardless of reason or purpose. It is therefore clear that tension between these people will always run high. It is called alpha mentality.

It should be clear from these points that if islam=peace which it does than rule by kings and mullahs is not allowed in islam because in islam it has to be rule that gives humanity peace, progress and prosperity not harm and destruction.

This is why sir syed is right and all who oppose him are wrong when he takes stand in favour of rationality. One can also see why educated people who can think critically support sir syed's stand and why selfish, greedy, stupid people or ignorant support rulers and mullahs. The quran supports sir syed on rationality and opposes ruling elite and their mullahs due to their stupidity.

One must always remember that the divine constitution is supreme not any person be he a prophet of Allah, see 3/64,79 and 9/31 etc.

When any people want to form an organisation they let their related public know about it by communicating why they need to do that and how they going to do it. Once people are convinced by them and support them then they form organisation and if they need wider support then they spread information about this organisation by spreading its manifesto and constitution so that people who have similar ideas in mind come to them and expand the organisational activities. The quran tells us same thing about the prophets ie how they approached their people telling them they knows their problems and needs their support to solve them for them. This is how they gathered people around them and once they had sufficient supports they changed over the ruling from manmade constitutions to God sent constitutions which they taught to their people. Muslims today need to do the same thing but they need to be careful that they do not replace nonmuslim imperialism with muslim imperialism as they did in the past. It has to be khilaafate nabavi.

Islam is all about joining together under umbrela of the quran as the divine constitution, under the leadership of the final divine messenger who brought the quran and that is it. NO FIRQA NO MULLAH NO FASAAD. Again it was iqbal who realised mullahs were FASAAD KI JAD.

All mullah based interpretations of the quran are fundamentally anti quran therefore using them to defend islam is actually attacking islam. Quran is for peace, progress and prosperity of humanity but mullahs tell things to destroy it. My posts need to to be read carefully because I have tried to explain things for tyhose who wish to learn sense, however if anyone thinks one knows better then please lay down what you think islam is and let us benefit from what you know about islam and if you put forth solid explanation then it will be worth supporting, why not? Islam is based upon merit not force. Whoever talks better sense deserves our full support this is the only way forward not only for us muslims but the whole of humanity.

Re: Have We Understood The Quran Properly?

Does the true Islam stand out?

Seeing what is going on all around in the world it seems a good idia to explain what islam really is. As I understand the quran, islam is a deen not a mazhab. In other words islam has nothing to do with dogmas, superstition, demons and magic or mysteries etc. Islam is a goal set for mankind by their creator and the quran is its revolutionary text book, manifesto and constitution all in one.

In order to understand islam properly and therefore to know why all existing translations/interpretations of the quran are wrong one needs to know about imperialism, role of imperial priests through out history and origin of split between religion and state as a trick or ploy to fight against divine rule. Kings and priests used each other to gain power over land and people by excluding God from his own kingdom through their tricks against their own masses as well as by using their own masses against others. Kings gained right to dictate their own laws in their kingdoms in the name of God through backing of their priests who confined God to heavens and then priests by their own tricks invented so called personal or private laws in the name of God and controlled private lives of their people. Thus land became property of kings and people became property of priests to use and abuse at will in the name of God.

The quran makes this point very clear and tells us none has the right to rule in the name of God save God himself and this is how the quran defines shirk, which is in fact rebellion against rule of God by people who do not rule by constitution of God.

This sets the context in which the quran makes sense but since the quran taught human brotherhood in the name of God not slavery of man for man the kings and their mullahs masked the quran by their deliberate misinterpretations and misrepresentations in order to move quranic islam out of their way. They also invented some ahadith and some laws as shariah of islam in order to move people away from the quran by telling them virtue lies in things that had no benefits for people themselves as individuals nor as a community.

This explains why religious people are totally unreasonable because that is how ignorant people have been programmed. Spreading ignorance, diverting teachings and masking the true meanings of the quranic terminology all played part in creating the state in which we find muslims nations today.

This also explains why would rich and powerful people and governments would support mullahs and madrassas to give bad name to islam and keep muslims ignorant so that they could quietly take away or take over their lands and resources without much resistance. It is like you give a sweet to a child and take away from him the piece of gold. So the local, national and international world agreements are sham because they have been draughted with craftiness to make fool of ignorant and illiterate, not so clever people.

This also explains origin of TAREEQAT=the way of God or the way to God. As Allah sent prophets and books and the divine rule was established on the earth by prophets and their followers, each time some bullies rose from within the community and began to dominate others and so ended divine rules on the earth. These people then did not tolerate those who really looked back to divine kingdom and wished to recreate it. Such people were bitterly opposed and brutally murdered because they posed danger to rules of kings and priests. As a result each time these people came under threat they started underground movements spreading proper message of God person to person in secret in order to gain enough support to bring back the divine rule. So these so called soofi movements were reactionary movements to what kings and priests did to divine rule in the divine kingdom. This is why nobody knows origin of these movements because they were started as secret movements. Just as shariah rule was divine rule once upon a time so tareeqat was original movement to bring back divine rule after it was dismantled. However even secret movement do not remain secret for long because ruling powers infiltrate them and then divert them to their own agendas if they cannot then they are destroyed by them either from within or from the outside through conspiracies or direct open attacks. All these explanations fit all pieces of jigsaw together nicely. This is how they prove that this is the best explanation for their existence and their purpose. Tareeqat had nothing to do with superstition but after it was infiltrated then movement was derailed and so it too became a matter of purposeless ritualism.

The context of the quran is of vital importance to understand the quran. Without having the purpose of the quran in your mind you cannot understand the reason as to why a word should be taken to mean one thing in one place in its context but in another context it ought to be taken in another sense.

Let me give you some examples, take the words ZOJUKA= should you translate it as your wife or as your companion? It depends on the context ie if the context is private family life discussion, you can translate it as your wife but suppose the context was constitutional state administration and talking was about work colleagues? You will be forced by context to translate it as fellow administrator or fellow worker etc in administration.

Take another example, MAA MALAKAT AIMAANUKUM=if context was imperialism then these words would mean your slaves and maids but if you were talking in context of a constitutional administration within a brotherhood family environment then the same words would means people working under your responsibility or people for whose work you are rsponsible.

Take more examples in general use of language eg family relationship words.

UMMI=biological mother in one sense but you could be talking about a mother company, daughter organisation or sister country or community.

AABAA=bilogical father but could be predecessor, father of nation or tribe or first man who did something in some sense or someone who has some importance in some role eg like a father is important for a family.

Brother could be biological brother or a person who supports you in some sense eg fellow countryman, fellow human etc etc.

JIBAAL=mountains when talking about hills protruding from the earth however if we are talking about a human society then jibaal means heavy weights in the community ie people who have influence in the community or over a mass of people.

SAMAA and ARD=heaven and earth but when used in sense of community it means people who have high status in society and people who live down to earth level or even in a ditch ie indignity.

JANNAT= garden or blissful place or state or divine kingdom here or in hereafter.

These examples should be enough to show when a word means what in the quran depends on what do you know about the quran and islam. For short, islam is a set goal for humanity by Allah to accomplish here on the earth for peace, progress and prosperity of the humanity itself.

The quran is text book for a revolution to change the world from what it is to what it should be ie before mankind the earth was a paradise but after creation of man due to man’s self indulgence it became hell and Allah has been sending prophets and books to educate man to be a proper human being and make this earth a paradise like it used to be.

So the struggle between illiterate and ignorant human beings who want to decide everything by force and the ones educated and wise had been going on ever since. And people who are educated and think things through are making the difference little by little. The need for making this process quicker and quicker is obvious if we want to avoid a lot of pain and suffering that humanity is going through.

The quran sets terms and condition for peace for mankind and it is manifesto of islam for people who wish to join it and a constitution to build a good human society or community upon so that peace could be achieved between people so that then together through full cooperation and hard work humanity could make progress and becomes prosperous in the name of Allah and if it makes that commitment and works for it or succeeds in doing that Allah will award it in hereafter as well for what it would have achieved for itself.

Those who will put obstacles in its way and cause harm and destruction instead would have a lot to regret over in the hereafter when they are made to realise what they did and how wrong it was.

Allah is not a tyrant and he did not create world for testing people to reward and punish them. This is all mullahs made stuff. Allah is very kind being and like a good father figure decided to have creation and then he wanted people to be free agents so he gave them everything including his advice and let them do as they please and face the consequences and outcome of their own actions. The quran explains all that is essential regarding the world and people this is why understanding the quran will save us from wasting our time and effort in doing useless things. It is like our parents tell us to go from a to b and give us road map to get there but we decide to go our own way throwing away the map and getting into all sorts of troubles and blaming our parents for all this.

  1. It is necessary for all who wish to talk to realise that language itself is the only way to communicate one’s thoughts. Thoughts only make sense when they are rational or logical. LOGIC=MANTAQ=way of communication=language=vehicle for communication. So if it is not logical it is not a communication because what you are trying to communicate or covey makes no sense to those to whom you communicate.

2)All things that happen are bound by divine laws=physical laws=natural laws. Since all things that happen according to some law regardless we know that law or not therefore they have explanation regardless we know that explanation or not.

3)MOJIZA=aqlan aajiz kar dene waali mantaqi daleel. We see lawyers doing that everyday in courts of law all over the world to prove or disprove each others claims and allegations. A claim is either proved or disproved only by one party making such a reasonable point that the other party cannot undo it by their reasoning and so one party stops the other in its track thereby proving or disproving a claim that they fight over. MOJIZA does not means anything that has nothing to do with aqal.

4)By rejecting aqal one denies being a human being because the only thing that really makes difference is man’s ability to understand things beyond the level of animals and that is why man is able to change his environment to suit him at much greater scale than any animal. For the same reason Allah tells him to go and control the natural world and use it for the benefit of mankind. So if one denies being above animals then none would bother communicating with such an animal. People love such animals who are willing to learn to communicate with humans but not those who do not and instead attack humans. Human babies are born ignorant 16/78 but are normally capable of learning and that is why even though they are just animals in human shape within several years of their life they can prove they are above animals. Therefore one denies oneself right of being heard if one wishes to remain an animal after being born by not learning thereby refusing to become a human being. This also shows why Allah calls some people animals or even worst.

  1. Imperial mullahs were animals because they were disloyal to humanity on behest of some bully boys who wanted to have the whole human world under their dirty thumb. This is why they employed there dirty animals to destroy rule of Allah in the earth each time prophets of Allah installed it for the benefit of humanity. Emperors ruled the world by telling people through their priests that God only rules in the heaven not on the earth. Earth is to be rules by these scoundrels. This is how kings and mullahs invented state and religion concepts and promoted them by full force of imperial power. This is why kings made laws for state affairs using name of God and mullahs made laws in the name of God for controlling private lives of people and both together then used and abused their own people as well as others whomever they could by attacking and plundering them. This is why kings’ islam is not real islam and mullahs’ islam is not real islam either. It is because it inflicted harm and destruction upon individuals as well as upon whole of humanity instead of leading them to peace, progress and prosperity.

6)It should leave one in no doubt that sir syed understood this point very well seeing how mullahs have turned muslims ummah into an ignorant people and therefore in to a dead nation or ummah. He was the only one who met the chalenge after he began to look for solutions after knowing what the problem was ie lack of proper education that makes people logical thinkers. Education is opposed by rulers always because when public become educated it becomes self aware and tries to understand its problems and realises their solutions. Since main problems are rulers regardless in form of kings, politicians or their mullahs so as soon as public becomes educated it can see its enemies and that means it is going to turn their rule upside down therefore they ensure in many different way that public remain illiterate or less educated and under their thumb. However it has a double edge sowrd effect ie even though rulers succeed in making fool of their own people under them, others from outside may become aware of this weakness and therefore attack the people from outside and take over the land of these weaklings, killing all people or keep some as slaves and maids.

This is like a bad family where the ignorant father of the house tries to keep his wife and kids under his thumb. He does not want them to become clever than him because if they did he fears they will then not listen to him. The down side is that when these kids grow up they cannot compete with kids of the families that based their cooperation upon reasoning thing through together. So one can see if control is by rule of law or house keeping rules then all are bound by same laws and rules so everyone knows his cut out part in this that one has to play but full heartfelt cooperation is fundamental for this idea to succeed. However if control is to be by force then whenever a situation arises for doing anything some body will have to become controlling freak to make everyone do the same thing that the controlling freak wants regardless of reason or purpose. It is therefore clear that tension between these people will always run high. It is called alpha mentality found in animal kingdom eg amongst monkeys.

It should be clear from these points that if islam=peace which it does than rule by kings and mullahs is not allowed in islam because in islam it has to be rule that gives humanity peace, progress and prosperity not harm and destruction.

This is why sir syed is right and all who oppose him are wrong when he takes stand in favour of rationality. One can also see why educated people who can think critically support sir syed’s stand and why selfish, greedy, stupid people or ignorant support rulers and mullahs. The quran supports sir syed on rationality and opposes ruling elite and their mullahs due to their stupidity.

One must always remember that the divine constitution is supreme not any person be he a prophet of Allah, see 3/64,79 and 9/31 etc.

When any people want to form an organisation they let their related public know about it by communicating why they need to do that and how they are going to do it. Once people are convinced by them and support them then they form organisation and if they need wider support then they spread information about this organisation by spreading its manifesto and constitution so that people who have similar ideas in mind come to them and expand the organisational activities. The quran tells us same thing about the prophets ie how they approached their people telling them they know their problems and needs their support to solve them for them. This is how they gathered people around themselves and once they had sufficient supports they changed over the ruling from manmade constitutions to God sent constitutions which they taught to their people. Muslims today need to do the same thing but they need to be careful that they do not replace nonmuslim imperialism with muslim imperialism as they did in the past. It has to be khilaafate nabavi not rule of kings and mullahs or crazyu and corrupt politicans.

Islam is all about joining together under umbrela of the quran as the divine constitution, under the leadership of the final divine messenger who brought the quran and that is it. NO FIRQA NO MULLAH NO FASAAD. Again it was iqbal who realised mullahs were FASAAD KI JAD ie imperialist mullahs were root of all problems.

All mullah based interpretations of the quran are fundamentally anti quran therefore using them to defend islam is actually attacking islam. Quran is for peace, progress and prosperity of humanity but mullahs tell things to destroy it. My posts need to to be read carefully because I have tried to explain things for those who wish to learn sense, however if anyone thinks one knows better then please lay down what you think islam is and let us benefit from what you know about islam and if you put forth solid explanation then it will be worth supporting, why not? Islam is based upon merit not force. Whoever talks better sense deserves our full support this is the only way forward not only for us muslims but the whole of humanity.

As far as quran is concern, it is based in rationality and on that basis it lays claims and points out evidences and backs them up with arguments to prove its claims. This is how the quran works. Perfectly scientific method. No mullahs nonsense and no mullah invented spiritual nonsense.

So called miraculous stories people are talking about could be explained other ways so that proves that these miracle stories are at least doubtful and therefore invalid claims. Also I explained already why any irrational claim is invalid but to make it more plain when something has rational explanation positively or negatively then there is no space in that case for doubt ie you have proved the claim either true or false. Doubtful claims can only be such as cannot be proven either way. They are then just possibilities. To me it seems people take mullahs interpretation of islam without its critical examination. It is because people do not realise or are not aware of what a proof is and what is difference between proof and evidence. Many people get confused in this because in dictionary meanings of proof and evidence are interchangeable, however in actual fact their meanings depend on the context in which these words are used. Proof is explanation of evident facts that one uses for proving a claim. For example, a witness sees someone shoot someone dead firing two shots. In court we have two parts one witness statement=evidence and the independent facts related to this incident. What police is going to do is match the gun with shooter through his finger prints on the gun and take out the bullets from the body of the dead person and through ballistics test show that bullets came from the gun of the shooter. So we have testimony of the witness and independently verified facts and we can see one thing matches the other so the case is proven ie this is how statements and facts come together or are brought together to turn them into a proof. Likewise The quran lays claims about this world, points out some evidences for observations and its explanation regarding those facts seems to fit perfectly thereby proving that it is word of Allah. Hope this helps to clarify the problem you may have understanding the quran as a proof of the revelation of God.

The quran is proof from Allah to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it is from Allah.

http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/2/2/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/2/23/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/4/82/default.htm
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http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/5/15/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/6/93/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/6/104/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/10/38/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/10/57/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/11/13/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/12/111/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/13/43/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/18/56/default.htm

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http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/27/64/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/37/157/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/46/4/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/52/34/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/52/38/default.htm

If you look into the quran there are many many verses about the quran being proof from Allah in various ways. It claims none can produce the constitution or guidance like the quran and anyone is welcome to debate on this issue and one will see that the quran does prove true. It is because mullahs and peers etc wanted to make our people stupid that they have invented concept of mazhab and that is how they turned the quran into mumbo jumbo of their own. The reason they do this is because they want to rule people either as rulers and ruling elite or as their priests.

The quran tells us very clearly to be careful about clergy. In the quran we read 3/64,79 and 9/31 etc.

http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/3/64/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/3/79/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/9/31/default.htm

The quran does not allow us even to take his prophet anything more than that. Humanity is a brotherhood not a master slave thing, for all people are equal under the divine constitution. Better people ie those who work for humnaity deserve our respect as such but nothing more than that.

It is because islam came to save man from slavery of man not to make them slaves of each other. If we look at video on youtube we can see how our people have lost our dignity by respecting our mullahs and peers in all sorts of wrong ways and also these people have done little for humanity as humans. It is particularly sad because these mullahs and peers do not stop people from doing these things which shows these people love seeing other people under their feet.

Islam is not about pooja paat of Allah but about looking after each other in the name of Allah. This is why he revealed for us knowledge as to how to organise ourselves as one family and work hard to make this world a paradise for ourselves. He did this so that we shed no blood and do no harm to each other but to look after each other by working hard for each other not against each other.

Compare this concept of islam to mullahs’ concept of islam. What has that islam given to humanity so far and what will it give it if we continue following that idea? So it is time to realise why we are not getting the results that Allah promised us because we have misinterpreted the quran and we ourselves can see that we have become zabaani kalaami musalmaan exactly as mullahs wanted us. to be. All because like Adam we did not listen to Allah’s advice and instead blindly followed our mullahs and rulers. We have no sense of purpose of things, we just do them because we assume they are good regardless if they actually are or they are not.

It is due to this people have become dispossessed, weak and poor without any dignity, because for any man who wants to meet set challenges must stand up, not lie down. This is how these mullahs and peers have make us lose our self respect and we are lying at the feet of thes epeople and lying all over the tombs of dead people all over the place looking for help from the dead because the living have failed to help us and who made the living fail to help us these mullahs. Just as rulers created laws to control us for their ends so have mullahs made laws to control us for their ends. Ruler made laws to control us in the name of state and mullahs control us through making laws about our private lives thereby controlling our private lives. Thus they have states within states. This is what secularism is also all about to use and abuse masses by playing games with the ignorant public through corrupt and crzy politicians and their powerful backers.

This is why our mullahs are funded even by nonmuslim states that benefit from stupidity of our people. We need to learn facts fast because time is running out. This is why understanding sir syed, iqbal, jinnah etc and creation of pakistan is very, very important. If we do not wake up to what people are doing to us then may be there will not be pakistan any more. Islam is such an ideology that has a lot of enemies both from outside as well as from inside and because pakistan was created for showing the world what islamic working model looks like so everyone is worried they will lose economic based slavery if real islam based muslims ever succeed in setting up such a state anywhere in the world.

Our poeple have little respect for people like sir syed, iqbal, jinnah andparwez because they do not know how clever these people were for the good of this ummah. Such people do not arise every day and that is why no such leader rose after them.

Manzil unay mili jo shrike safar na the

May be we do not know the harm and destruction caused by existing systems throughout the word. In india alone millions of people are harmed and destroyed in the so called world’s largeest show piece capitalism based secualr democracy that was accepted by gandhi and nehru. Yet indian people call them fathers of nation. Iqbal and jinnah who deserved respect are criticised for rejecting the system in favour of islamic system.

My heart bleeds for these poor people in the world and that is why I am trying to educate people to wake them up from their stupid dreams so that we come together and create the world worth living in. So people should stop promoting stupidity in the name of education and poverty in the democracy and secularism by sticking to animal way of life based upon capitalism, which actually based upon survival of the fittest.

Please think critically about islam if you are really interested in islam. You need to ask yourselves what is islam? Islam is a goal set by God for mankind to achieve or establish or accomplish in this world. The word itself simply means peace.

The quran is divine constitution of islam. It sets out terms and conditions for mankind to agree upon if they want or need peace. It is because without meeting these terms and conditions peace between people is impossible.

If anyone disagrees on this goal then he is challenged to come up with some other even better goal. If one does not accept working for peace and does not come with anything better than this then one is obviously looking for fights and wars. This is is why there is clear divide between those who see need for peace or want peace and those who do not and they are looking forward to opportunities or for creating opportunities for fights and wars. This is how then quran defines who is muslims and who is kaafir ie you are either with islam or you are against it.

The terms and conditions for peace are freedom of man from man ie none is master or slave of anyone else. Justice and fairness but based upon compassion and brotherly concern for each other. All this for ensuring human progress and prosperity so that all people could live in peace without envying each other or without animosity towards each other.

This is the context of the quran in which whole of the quran must be interpreted and if you do not then you are a trouble maker because you do not know context of the quran and you are just giving meanings to verses without really knowing the bigger picture. This is how kings and mullahs dismantled islamic mosaic soon after the prophet. From then on people went in lot of different ways and some to this day. All this because we do not read the quran nor try and look at what the world is. For proper understanding of the quran one must be a learned person who is aware of the world in which we all live.

The quran is rational at least on a few fundamental basis;

1)People have brains and they can reason.

2)Nothing can be understood without learning and becoming wise about it.

3)The quran itself points to reason through so many explanations about things in the natural world eg explains natural phenomena, processes and mechanisms.

4)The quran claims to be divine constitution and constitution has to be rational otherwise it is not a constitution.

  1. The quran claims to be guidance and guidance has to be rational or it would make no sense to its readers whom it wants to guide.

  2. The quran claims to be for all people so if people do not have any common ground or mechanism for understanding it or if they do not have common rules of wisdom then the quran will be useless book because there is no other way to communicate information between human beings.

  3. The quran wants peaceful campaign for its spread not armed struggle. However it wants muslims to remain ready for that too because once islam starts spreading it is going to step on the foot of harmful and destructive people who are already looking for a reasons to start fights and wars. Unless muslims defend themselves and people who support them and those who are oppressed and suppressed then there will not be left any muslims to spread the message of islam. This is what dawa and jihad are all about. islam wants nothing less then peace, progress and prosperity of humanity and once that is established the mission is accomplished.

This should explain what was the reason for creation of Pakistan ie just to show the world a working model of islam so that if people liked it they could do the same in their own countries.

The prophet of of islam showed the working model of islam but thanks to kings and mullahs that state was dismantled soon after him in the 3rd generation. However we are lucky that all pieces of that mosaic are still in our bag like a complete jigsaw puzzle and we need to sit and work on reconstructing that picture and then build our world once more on that model.

So time to concentrate on what the quran really says not what mullahs spread around to mask the quranic truth. All make beliefs therefore must be discarded because so long as we stick to our make beliefs we can never understand the quran and never discover actual islam that was established by the prophet.

By dismantling the working model of islam muslims were led into confusion because imperial powers are not easy to resist. The people who had imperial mindset remained hidden in time of the prophet but they kept on working as much as they could towards re-establishing imperialism after the prophet removed it for establishing islam and so when they got opportunities they jumped at them and did their best to destroy islam in life time of the prophet. In short imperialists have been working against divine rule always and they are at work even today. This is of vital importance to realise.

  1. The quran is a very detailed book when it comes to explanations of its role as a nation building manual and a constitution. It explains what a campaign is, how to campaign, and what for and when people come together how to bind them into a properly organised community and set up administration for them from among them and then goes on to explain procedures regarding the organisation and administration and so on and so forth. The quran leaves out nothing essential in these matters because it knows very well that unless a community is well organised and had good administration to accomplish and maintain peace, progress and prosperity is impossible. This is why quran warns us, not to get slack in our knowledge of quran or in following what we learn because otherwise the whole things will fall apart and then it will not be easy to rebuilt all this.

Now one should go and compare what the quran teaches and what mullahs teach and what muslims follow and see if it truly represents islam anywhere in the world. If we continue taking that sense of islam as true and continue following that islam as we have been then what makes any of us think that we will get any different results than what we have been getting so far?

This should be enough to ring bells that we do need to have another good look at the quran and this time we must give it a look that it really deserves. It is because failing that will mean things will remain for masses as they have been ie slavery of masters.

This is why we must follow islam rationally as advised by sir syed and as a deen as advised by iqbal because these like people really had the right understanding of the quran in matters that really matter for the ummah.

No one rejected the hadith but yes all people reject those ahadith that they think are not ahadith of the prophet. They give their reasons for that and we should consider those and if they are found wrong then we will reject their assumptions regarding those reports. Otherwise sunnies do not accept shia hadith reports and shias do the same as regard sunni hadith reports. None of them are declared kaafir. Likewise ulema from sunnies and ulema from shias reject so many hadith reports even from within their own hadith books.

Moreover looking at tafaseer books one will see so many differences on so many levels regarding so many different things. If the prophet had explained the quran the way some people claim then again so many question arise eg why the differences? Where are all the explanations the prophet gave about all the verses? There is no answer for these like questions because many of these reports were invented to divert the quran under guidance of mullahs for their kings to find for them loop holes so that they could be free to use and abuse their own people and then use them to use and abuse other people in the name of God and islam.

These people were and still are responsible for making each other slaves, they created poverty for their own people and took away brotherhood and introduced animosity between their own people in order to further their own harmful and destructive personal interests. These kings gave mullahs backing to create nonsense personal laws in the name of islam and called it shariah and then used them to create state within state by getting control over private lives of individuals and that is what they are doing to date and this is what was responsible or was obstacle at the time of creation of Pakistan because mullahs knew that if Pakistan was created on basis of proper islam then they will lose their power over private lives of individuals and so they will have to find some other way to earn their living. Even after creation of Pakistan ask yourselves, why there is no islamic law in Pakistan? It is because of mullahs grip on jugular vein of people. They have psychologically damaged the ignorant public that they are afraid even to step outside their own doors without seeking permission of their mullahs.

This is why sir syed, iqbal, jinnah, parwez, etc etc cannot be paralleled by any of the mullahs of any sect and that can be very easily proven because mullahs and their followers can be very easily defeated in discussions and debates and that is why when they discuss and debate things they reply by danga fasaad=causing troubles and confusion. So that the end results of their discussions remain unknown and public remains confused. Also they discuss things that do not matter much for the ummah.

This explains why we are losing people to secularism, because true concept of islam is not known to people. People who want to know islam rationally are thrown out by mullahs because they cannot answer their questions and ignorant who follow mullahs they do not know much about anything. It is good enough for them that their mullahs tell them make halwah and we will pray over it and your dady, mummy, etc will be ok in their graves and hereafter. Or people are busy running after magic and jinns so that they get what they want or so their worldly problems are solves as per their wishes without really bothering to do what needs to be done ie people looking for a free ride=looking for something for nothing ignoring the God set universal laws that make the world go round.

No wonder people laugh at what we think islam is as a result of our ignorance about islam and we attribute that islam to the quran and Allah. What a shame but what can I say other than pray that Allah help us to use his guidance for its rightful purpose. So that we make our world a better place for all of us in his name so that we end up in even better life in hereafter.

This is why rational thought and critical examination of things is natural otherwise we would not learn from our mistakes and there will not be any point in learning or teaching. After all what is learning and teaching all about? In our childhood our parents approve or disapprove our words and deeds. This is criticism and teaching because the whole idea is based upon dos and don’ts and the reasons why do or why don’t do things.

Coming to scriptures, all religious scriptures tell there followers to ensure they do right as per definition of scripture and not do wrongs as per definition of scriptures. In short without criticism development or even change is impossible.

Don’t be critical is false teaching by false teachers to hide behind this cover their own weaknesses and falsehood so that others do not discover their harmful and destructive plots, motives, intentions and conspiracies.

It is because most of the people do not examine things carefully that they are made fools by their rulers be they politicians or their mullahs etc. Those nations that examine things develop faster. It is because through each others help individuals raise their level of thinking and once you can think better obviously you better yourself and your home, your country and your world.

It is shutting of our thought process that makes us animals or even worse.

If humanity was good at thinking it would not be as harmful and destructive for itself by today as it has been for thousands of generations. This harm and destruction to humanity will continue so long as people keep buried their heads in the sand playing silly games with each other.

The main reason we do not understand the quran is because we cannot yet think at the level the quran requires for its proper understanding or realisation. The quran is divine template for humanity and till people raise themselves to the level of understanding this road map, they can never install the quranic system or establish and accomplish it.

What the quran requires is not just one person’s realisation but of each and everyone because without it human society cannot free itself of its problems. In short if you do not see the need for peace you are not going to work for it. If you do not see the need for a law then you are not going to legislate it or implement it even if law is already there. Just as it is need that is said to be mother of invention so it is realisation of need of peace that will help understand the quran for its real purpose in mind.

What it tells us is that we need more and more criticism of each and everything in the name of God so that only what stand criticism remains for us to consider. This is very, very important point I am raising. It is like you kill a bird for its meat and you keep taking away all the things from it that you consider rubbish till you are only left with meat that you want. This is how when we manage to tear away all falsehood the truth will become exposed to us. Likewise when all make beliefs in which the quran is wrapped are torn away one by one we will see what the quran is really all about. There are not many in the world who realise this truth about the quran. So people who know the quran they encourage that people criticise the quran more and more so that more and more clarifications come forth and make it more and more evident that it is the truth from God for the good of mankind.

Going the other way round people will keep on wrapping the quran in more and more false beliefs and so the truth will become more and more covered up in their falsehood and will therefore take more and more time to be rediscovered the while humanity suffers terribly the pain ie live a life in hell.

What I see is that deep down in ignorant muslim minds there is a fear that if people are allowed to criticise the quran then islam would be found out to be just another falsehood. This is how our ignorance causes us to undermine the real divine truth. We have so called false defenders= thekedaar of divine truth who are actually scared to find out that their make beliefs will prove false in light of the quran if people were allowed to go through with their critical studies of the quran. This is why they try their tricks for stopping discussion on the quran and islam.

It is beyond argument that religions are a conspiracy against divine rule by kings and today by ruling elite world wide. It is easy to keep people ignorant and to use and abuse them in the name of God. It is all a matter of redefining virtue. You waste time in ritualism so that you have no time to think just in case you think and find out what is really going on in this world of ours so all sorts of tactic are used to keep people engaged in wrong things instead of serious things that matter for humanity.

The question is, how did mullahs manage to misinterpret the quran? This is done through taking people away from reading the quran and from studying it ie other stories were invented and so people became interested in them instead of the quran because these stories told people how to become good human being by virtue of ritualism. This good became keeping with rituals and bad became not keeping up with rituals. You sit in isolation and say Allah Allah so many times sort of things. The more you do things like this the more you get near to God we are told instead what kind of world God wants people to create for themselves.

The meanings of words in the quran were given wrong context ie context of religion rather than constitution=deen. For example, take word ZOJUKA=it means your wife in one context but your colleague or fellow worker in another context.

Take words MAA MALAKAT AIMAANUKUM=your slaves and maids in one context ie in context of imperialism to justify it but people serving under your responsibility in another context eg in an administration based upon the quranic guidance.

Take human relationship words eg UMMI=biological mother in one context but mother the foundational base in another context eg mother or daughter organisation or administration or for that matter sister organisation or company or country.

So depends on in which context you read the quran you are bound to interpret it accordingly. By giving religious twist to the quranic context and moving people away from the quran mullahs succeeded in reprogramming muslims minds making people available for use and abuse of their kings thus brotherhood based upon humanity among muslims was destroyed and so muslims became master and slaves of each other instead. This is how they destroyed imperialism under the prphet but reinstated it after him even in their own states. So to reverse all this we must reinterpret the quran back to what it meant to be in time of the prophet having purpose of the quran in fore front of our minds.

This also explains and exposes the reality of invention of concept of shane nazool (=reason for revelation of odd verses or surahs) because why is it that we have shane nazool only about some of the verses rather than the whole of the qurtan? It is because mullahs wanted to twist the quran only in some places and not in others.

The text of the quran is very clear from its natural context. However that cannot be understood unless you have awareness as to what a constitution is upon which are founded or build nations. The quran is such a constitution around which the prophet of islam gathered people to bring about an ideological community. The quran is not a religious book at all because religion is creation of priestly classes on behest of kings so that God has nothing to do with ruling the earth. The earth belongs to kings not God and the quran opposes that and that is the reason the quran must be taken out. This is how mullahs deliberately misinterpreted the quran and misrepresented it to people so that kings could have things their way. Kings created parallel concepts as religions and spread them with full backing of imperial powers. This is clear if one is familiar with history of nations. Religion and state separation is not new at all rather it has been the case always. This is why even today ruling elite through out the world funds religious institutions because it benefits them that way. Billions of people in the world are living terrible lives yet huge masjids, muadrassas and churches and mandirs and temples etc attract all the cash. Conspiracies and wars are order of the day, why? Think! think! think!

Islam is a goal set by Allah for humanity and Allah challenges that humans cannot have any goal better than islam ie living for peace. Allah also sets forth terms and conditions in the quran which one has to accept for peace ie freedom, justice, fairness, compassion, brotherhood, progress and prosperity for mankind and challenges mankind that they cannot have any better terms and conditions for peace between themselves than these.

Allah also explains how to campaign for gathering humanity on this basis as a community and explains how to set up communities and administrations to accomplish true peace between mankind in the world so that humanity frees itself from internal strifes and gets on with the road map to progress and prosperity. Of course the quran tells us procedures and many other things about administrations and communities beside setup to peacefully changing over of administrations and to keep out nepotism by not employing family members and to stop corruption through community monitoring administrations and administration monitoring communities. All this because if you do not have goodset up then you cannot accomplish peace within or outside.

This is major miracle of the quran that even muslims do not talk about because they never studied the quran in this context instead they look at the quran as a book of miraculous stories and wait for saviours to come and save them not realising that they are told in the quran stories of the past people to learn how those ordinary people turned their bad situations round all by themselves with hard work based upon guidance of divine revelations for revolutions.

The quran gives humanity a great package but are people ready to make sense of it and use it? I am not that sure yet because most muslims I find read the quran to make jinn bhoot go away or try to get their ancestors forgiven for their sins beyond that quran hardy serves any purpose for them. This is obvious because I see no country actually using the quran as its actual constitution. It is because they have not yet even interpreted the quran as a divine constitution and that is because either they do not understand the quran or they do not want the quran because in their hearts is disease to dominate and enslave others. Sir syed told them to take quran seriously then iqbal told them the same thing jinnah even got them a country but we will not implement quran, why not? It is because rulers study in anti islam schools and universities and mullahs study in anti islam madrassas and daarul alooms.

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iqbal and jinnah

QURAN AUR SCIENCE

Ye Woh Sahar To Nahi Hae

Haqeeqat Khrafat Main Kho Gaee

JO HO ZOQE YAQEEN PAIDA

ISLAM KAY MUQABIL ISLAM

PEHLA PAKISTANI KOEN THA
Role of Sir Seyyed in creation of pakistan

PAKISTAN KA TASAWWUR KIS NAY DIA

TEHRIKE PAKISTAN KI HAQIQI JANG

Manzil unay mili jo shrike safar na the

Hillale eid hamari hansi uratahai PART 01 OF 11

Islami Mumlekat kisay kehtay hain

KHALQ E KHUDA KI GHAT MAIN 1

Jo Na Manga Woh Mila Aor Jo Manga na Mila

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Continuation of last article.

As for stand point about islamic information sources, they are all authentic and original writings ie the quran and hadith, seerah and history books etc. What I mean is that they were written by people to whom they have been attributed save may be some odd one. The dispute if any is that if they go against the teachings of the quranic ideology then they were written for a different purpose in minds of their authors than the quranic purpose. Or that they may have received wrong information from their sources and they just added it in their works for others to judge it for themselves. After all if false information was not sensed by the authors of ahadith books then why would they talk about setting up criteria to judge reports they received and why would they compile a lot of information about people who reported things to them? So their works are genuine but may contain forgeries and misinformation and errors or quran opposing ideologies if their purpose was to derail quranic ideology.

Not only that but l also must raise the point that the concepts they expressed and the contexts they expressed may have been misinterpreted either deliberately or by error or by ignorance of the author's purpose for writing them and the purpose of the text reported. Scholars always found various mistakes in the interpretations of the quran and I am very sure that those who made mistakes in interpreting the quran must also have made similar mistakes in interpreting the rest of related information for all the same reasons that could be applied to the mistakes in the quranic interpretations ie if same people interpreted ahadith books then they ought to have made same mistakes in there as well.

As for objections raised by nonmuslims against islam and quran, they are usually based on their own misunderstandings or that they get them from books by muslims and nonmuslims that misrepresent islamic concepts out of their proper contexts. These books were either written without care or were written for the purpose of putting islam under bad light deliberately. Moreover people react to their own beliefs once upon a time they held and they were unhappy with those beliefs to put it simply. This is why their usual response is, islam is a religion so what it is doing in politics? Religious people are supposed to be running after God and hereafter not interfering with affairs related to this world.

Not only that but God has to be what they want God to be not letting him be himself. An angry old man who is unhappy with what he created and therefore ready to roast it in hell for eternity. It matters not what is purpose of God for mankind and what he wants mankind to do instead they want to tell God what his purpose is and what they want him to be like. In other words if we believe in God then we want a God to be like the one we imagine for ourselves and if we do not believe in God then again we want God of our choice so that we could justify not believing in God ie we all need our own reasons to justify ourselves for believing in God as well as not believing in him.

The quran gives us a God that is neither according to expectations of his believers nor according to those who rather not believe in him. The quranic God is a strange kind of God. He is not the one looking for praises from his creatures nor looking for their condemnation. He simply tells that he decided to create things and to humans he gave ability to learn as they went along and to make their own choices to act and face consequences of their actions in here as well as in hereafter. In order to help man learn quickly he decided to to give people his advice and left it to people to make use of it or not to bother.

The book he gave people tells them how the universe is set up by him and how it works and how people should live in it and benefit by learning about it and using it for their own benefit. God has no business in the zone given to humans for play and humans have no business in playing God. No matter how much anyone prays to God to do something, if it is in zone given to people for actions then God will not do anything to change that ie as far as God is concerned he is not there. This is like parents give their kids all they need for doing something in their play room and tell them to get on with it and get out of their room for a fixed period of time. So kids are in full control of everything in the room till the play time is over and then it is turn of parents to take stock of things and see what they have done. If they find them good then they reward them otherwise they will be left to regret what they have done to themselves and others ie they might have misbehaved and thereby hurt themselves and others instead of doing what they were instructed by their parents.

So the concept of islam that is wide spread in the world even to date is nothing like concept of islam that is clearly stated in the quran. The so obvious contradiction between rule of kings and mullahs and what the quran proposes should leave one in no doubt that quran has nothing to do with concept of islam of ruling elite and their mullahs.

It is for this reason first and foremost the message of the quran needs to be understood from its own context and not from what others say about it. Others only matter if the quran fails to make good statement but it does not. This is why I said again and again that if you must judge the quran then understand it otherwise whatever anyone says is invalid because it is all hearsay against something that is there before us to examine. When we examine the quran rules are very important. So anyone who leaves all this a side and then just makes this and that statements against the quran at least makes no sense to me so it would not be right for me to respond to something that I do not understand. If I simply respond for sake of it then it is just dragging down everything to nothing for nothing.

Just like today there were always people who wanted to bring other people under their control by controlling their livelihood. Why some people do that is either greed or fear of insecurity. Why some people bully others? Because deep down they are trying to hide something they lack in their life which makes them feel insecure so they want to show others they are tough guys or girls.

So if we have a people who will do such a thing then obviously they will do anything to get what they want. By lying by deception and what not. Since the quran does not approve bullying by anyone to anyone so it must be moved out of the way. This is why various ideas were used to bring down islamic empire = divine kingdom. It was still necessary to show masses that what these people were doing was for glory of islam and muslims so that they could continue getting support of the masses but at the same time they had to ensure that they will reach their own goals as well. With such points in their minds they brought about books which contained some things about islam and some in the name of islam hence the need for care and criterion to select what tallies with the quran and realities of life as well as the realities of real world.

I do not believe that all these books are totally false but that various aspects need more careful selection that give islam a concept against the quranic context or give bad name to prophet and his particular key companions against what the quran states about them. If the quran tells us the prophet was a great man according to criterion of the quran then that criterion is still there today and we can see it. However if the ahadith tell us about the prophet such things that even a good human would not do then obviously someone is trying to portray the prophet in bad light so we need to go and examine the reason why that person might be doing that. It is because these people wanted to remove obstacles the quran and the genuine ahadith put in their way stopping them from using and abusing other people eg take slavery, it is not even mentioned in the quran as such but these people put it in there through their false interpretations of the quranic terminology. The way they made lawful their own ruling as kings so they made slavery lawful and child marriage and having more than one wife and likewise so many other things. All they had to do was to misinterpret the quran and spread it and then people just accepted these things as islam.

a)The main question is, how did the true concept of islam became replaced by false concepts of islam?

The main points to consider are;

1)presence of anti islam elements amongst muslims at the time eg people who wanted to be rulers and those who were willing to support them.

2)their ability to create instability in the islamic state to make room for their acceptance. Unless these people were resourceful they could not create instability ie the conspirators and accomplices were powerful themselves or were backed by powerful elements.

3)through instability they were able to destroy existing education system in the state

4)Once existing proper education was destroyed there occurred gap of learning so they introduced their own kind of education system that could fulfil their own agenda

b)The next main question is, why they needed to change education system? It is because the prophetic system stopped people from becoming masters and slaves of each other.

c)How did they manage to change proper islamic concepts?

1)By reinterpreting quranic terms the way they suited them and backing them up through false stories in form of shaane nazool = reasons for revelations etc.
2)By redefining virtue and vice and backing that up with false stories of rewards and punishments.
3)By introducing a lot of false stories about life of the prophet in order to make lawful what was actually unlawful.
4)By inventing a lot of false historical records to give basis to their own desires for power and wealth through bloodshed and plundering.
5)By inventing false creeds and backing them up with false hadith reports thereby turning deen in to so may mazaahib and thereby divisions.
6)By invented laws to suit themselves as rulers rather than the people as a whole and backing them up through invented hadith reports.
7)By inventing false creeds, they got most people involved in to useless debates and discussions instead of what really should have mattered for people ie revelation based revolution to publicise manifesto in order to install and establish divine constitution for rule of God to bring about divine kingdom.

Thus muslims never stopped fighting with each other since all this began and the reason remains neglecting the proper understanding of the quran.

If muslims today stop listening to mullahs and start learning the quran till they have it all worked out the divisions could end tomorrow. So long as muslims remain ignorant about the quran they will remain divided and will continue fighting each other and the rest of the world. Not only that as they make each other more and more foolish and ignorant and fall behind others they too are bound to become victims for others as well who can use and abuse them and their that state of existence will not reverse either unless they change their mindset and attitude towards the quran and its proper education.

Just as muslims are continuing in their wrong beliefs and just as nonmuslims continue with their wrong beliefs things are not going to change for the better any time soon.

It would be better for the educated people to try and put some sense into the rest of the world if we really want to leave a better world behind for our future generations or if we really are human beings otherwise just as many in our past generations lived like animals and many of us did the same so would our future generations. In fact it is going to be much more terrible harm and destruction than before due to weapons we have build for our future generations to destroy each other.

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Hats off to anyone who actually read all this copy paste, but I sincerely doubt there would be any.

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This is a discussion forum - it's not virtual speakers corner ... Sheesh ... someone delete this thread or those posts and kindly ask Mughal1 to engage in dialogue rather than posting thousands of words and tens of video links ... What sort of adab is that?

Be precise and concise ... please

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who is this mullah?

is it his (Quran) translations that you are using?

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Urdu discussions between scholars

Can religious knowledge fulfill?

Alif Universe & Religion interconnection

Status of Hadeeth

Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 01 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 02 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 03 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 04 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 05 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 06 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth 07 - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (8) - YouTube

Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (9) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (10) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (11) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (12) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (13) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (14) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Status of Hadeeth (15) - YouTube

Taqleed
Ghamidi - Taqleed (1) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (2) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (3) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (4) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (5) - YouTube

Ghamidi - Taqleed (6) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (7) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (8) - YouTube
Ghamidi - Taqleed (9) - YouTube
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Status Of Ijtihad In Deen




Shia Sunni Mufahimat

Debate on Reality of Sufism






Islam me Parda






Hudud Ordinance & Rajem ke saza

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Karwan e Amaan tariq jameel
Maulana Tariq Jameel Bayan Nine Zero Mqm 31/7/2011 Karwan e Amaan - YouTube

even monkey learns cooperation
Ape With AK-47 The full story and what you need to know - YouTube

government-of-the-rich-for-the-rich-by-the-rich.html
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The Five Basic Forms Of Government Explained - YouTube

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Micro vs Macroeconomics? - YouTube
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MQM’s Land Reforms Bill un-Islamic: JUP – The Express Tribune
Pakissan.com; Land reforms: Is it flogging a dead horse?
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A7x9QV6vCEdPDSkAe2pLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybWh0ZnN2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNgRjb2xvA2lyZAR2dGlkAw--/SIG=14j391qqm/EXP=1330084143/**http%3A//www.gltn.net/en/home/land-rights-and-records/womens-land-rights-in-pakistan-consolidated-research-findings/download.html
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A Giant Vs Molvi 1 - YouTube
A Giant Vs Molvi 2 - YouTube
A Giant Vs Molvi 3 - YouTube
A Giant Vs Molvi 4 - YouTube
A Giant Vs Molvi 5 - YouTube
A Giant Vs Molvi 6 - YouTube

asarulislam
International Quran Community Webinar March 6, 2011 on Vimeo

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Shri Rajiv Dixit’s Lecture at Hyderabad - April 2010 - Bharat Swabhiman Andolan
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Rajiv Dixit’s Expose of 9-11 Attacks 1
Rajiv Dixit’s Expose of 9-11 Attacks 1 - YouTube

rajiv dixit ki moat ka karn. (religion v reality)
rajiv dixit ki moat ka karn.mp4 - YouTube

Rajiv Dixit Exposes Indian Royal Families Who Helped The British
Rajiv Dixit Exposes Indian Royal Families Who Helped The British - YouTube

Rajiv Dixit’s expose of WORLD BANK & IMF TREATY
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Fiat Empire,Why The Federal Reserve Violates The US Constitution
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Peace Mughal1

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