Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?

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Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?

@chaibiskut

Unfair? Perhaps it is difficult to reconcile your interpretation of God’s will with the verses I cited. I’m simply going by your posts here. The “certain level of intolerance” you described earlier amounts to coercion and hostility. It also selectively applies to people leaving, not entering. You (reluctantly) argue against compulsion, and for “openness.” Then you insist “leaving will not be tolerated,” and that “should you enter then it has to be for life.” Says who? What a dogmatic, stultifying approach to spiritual growth. You do realize ultimatums = compulsion? How does it make moral, spiritual or practical sense to compel someone to believe something their heart and mind does not agree with? Is this not a transgression of God’s will? Even prayer is discouraged if the spirit is not in it. The only difference between a private apostate and a public one is that the latter has integrity. You equate a change of heart with a mockery of religion - that in itself is a mockery of the spirit of belief. It is a mockery of human agency, of free will. Cults rely on threat and force to keep their followers from leaving. If you have faith in the Truth, you’d let it speak for itself.

Peace chaibiskut

I trust you have a very good mind to discern the truth from that what is not the truth. I also trust you not to be selective, as Muslims we trust the whole Qur’an to be the Word of God.

Verse 42:48 - who are “they” this verse is referring to?

Verse 10:99 - which “people” should not be compelled? the disbelievers or the believers?
In this context read on …

And in verse 10:101 -
**Say, “Observe what is in the heavens and earth.” But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe
**
Who are being instructed to observe? The disbelievers of the believers?

Verse 5:49 - What is striving in the pursuit of good?

Read 4:88-92 Surat An-Nisa’ [4:88-92] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???

In this is the fuller context on how we can glean the treatment of apostates and hypocrites. It is not presented in a single verse.

According to this hadith we can see further evidence for what I say:

Jabir ibn `Abdullah narrated that a Bedouin pledged allegiance to Muhammad for Islam (i.e. accepted Islam) and then the Bedouin got fever whereupon he said to Muhammad “cancel my pledge.” But Muhammad refused. He (the Bedouin) came to him (again) saying, “Cancel my pledge.” But Muhammad refused. Then he (the Bedouin) left (Medina). Muhammad said, “Madinah is like a pair of bellows (furnace): it expels its impurities and brightens and clear its good.”[SUP][10]](Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia)

[/SUP]In this hadith is further evidence for what I say … Here RasoolAllah (SAW) just did not allow the man to give up his allegiance … He (SAW) resisted it - he showed his (SAW) intolerance to the idea … But the man walked away exiling himself … RasoolAllah (SAW) approved of that …

Also read this:

O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

Surat An-Nisa’ [4:59] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???

Does this not show that there is a level of compulsion for the ones who are already Muslim?

Again I say the Arabic about “There is no compulsion in Deen” is stating that “We cannot force people to accept Islam”

But at the same time we are expected to uphold our allegiances and we are expected to give dawah … Some people may even consider giving dawah as a form of coercion. You know this is not true - I hope!

Even through reason … An army chief has no authority over the general public … but if one of his officers disobeys him or wants to leave the army - it is resisted … WHY?

It is resisted because they do not want it to become a joke …

I hope this is enough for you to at least acknowledge that I’m not making this stuff up … there are many more references and the more you read up on this topic you will begin to see that indeed “intolerance towards Muslims leaving Islam” is present and documented. Of course you are in your freedom to disagree with my stance, but please give me this much that I indeed have a basis.