The discussion in this thread had got way out of line. Please stick to the topic.
Asif, zaheer khan is pathetic, everyone knows that… Hes not even a fast bowler like Shoaib, hes just an ordinary struggling medium fast bowler, who was hit for so many fours on the back… very embarrassing… You can talk about his glorious performance in this match all you like, but the point is, he was responsible for India’s loss. His wickets did him no good.
None of you talked about that caught behind in the end. I think that decision was very lame on the part of that umpire… We didnt even need television (or stump-o-meter) replays to check if the ball hit the bat or not.
Zeroes abroad, zeroes at home, it happens only in India
You got that right spock **Zeroes abroad, zeroes at home, it happens only in India **
Well I didn’t watch the match I just read the report on crickinfo on indian mirror site. No wonder why they did not mention about inappropriate decision. Main thing is one cannot just come up with a proper conclusion about someone’s bating or bowling by just looking at one match. We will see this zaheer, and our speedster Shoaib in near future. Time will tell.
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I wish the DishNetwork would broadcast Pak tour of sharjah cuz they will be playing agaisnt Aus, and NZ I will subscribe and will broadcast through my computer so that our cricket fan in USA can watch.
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Ehsan Bhai, Thanks a lot.
Spock, Zaheer cant be like Akhtar because I dont compare BOWLERS with JAVELINE THROWERS.
He has a better chance of winning Javeline Gold Medal in Beijing and next Asiad. Perhaps PCB should prepare him for that.
As for his performance, I have seen many when he bowls without Chucking (Latest series another example) So scared of Umpires that he doesn't try javeline throws now a days.
Better see your result - You just lost tht ACC to Sri Lanka right there in Pakistan. We are losers and know it very well. No need to point the obvious.
AK
Asif how pathetic is that, you couldn't even makeup your insults and went on to use Bishen Bedi's jealous remarks against Murali.
Growup man, zaheer is a good bowler but he will never be fast and good as shoaib, heck any bowler in India will never be fast as Razzaq.
Theres a remarkable difference between losing to Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.
I dont really enjoy India losing against so many low class teams (such as Kenya and Zimbabwe) but its the umpring that raises the eyebrows!! There was another interesting aspect to the match; After the 8th wicket went down, the Zimbabwans sent one of their players down to the center to inform the batsman of the right score they needed to win, as the scoreboard was displaying it incorrectly. Gunguly, like the sportsman he is, started hurling and pointing directions to that player.
Something similar to this happened in Pakistan, where certain objections were raised at the Sri Lankan players for assisting the removal of pitch covers. Although this is prohibited by the book, the Pakistani players were nice enough not to raise objections. Eventhough Pakistan lost, both Sri Lanka and Pakistan played in the true spirit of the game.
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heck any bowler in India will never be fast as Razzaq.
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There can be a fast bowler in indian team, THATS IF they start eating meat like kapil did.
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Originally posted by Spock:
**Theres a remarkable difference between losing to Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.
I dont really enjoy India losing against so many low class teams (such as Kenya and Zimbabwe) but its the umpring that raises the eyebrows!! There was another interesting aspect to the match; After the 8th wicket went down, the Zimbabwans sent one of their players down to the center to inform the batsman of the right score they needed to win, as the scoreboard was displaying it incorrectly. Gunguly, like the sportsman he is, started hurling and pointing directions to that player.
Something similar to this happened in Pakistan, where certain objections were raised at the Sri Lankan players for assisting the removal of pitch covers. Although this is prohibited by the book, the Pakistani players were nice enough not to raise objections. Eventhough Pakistan lost, both Sri Lanka and Pakistan played in the true spirit of the game. **
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Well said Mr. SPOCK
Asif seems to bring up Shakoor Rana whenever we talk about Indian Umpires cheating…
Asif, in case you didnt know, Shakoor Rana did nothing wrong… He merely went by the book and was right in stopping Mike Gatting from violating a clear rule… Unlike your players and umpires, he was brave enough to point that out to Gatting and when Gatting (still under the illusion that since the British invented the game, they could do anything) started babbling, he gave him a stern reply, and thats where the argument started. In case you didnt know, Gatting was found to be on the wrong side and action was taken against him. His captiancy was also cancelled after that tour.
http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/ENG/G/GATTING_MW_01001543/
Did Ganguly have the bahoonas to do that when he was sledged by the Australins? No… He just watched their faces (probably didnt understand what they said, and acted like they were still his masters).
However, you being a admirer of the British think that just because they have white chamri, they can get away with anything. Shakoor taught a lesson to Gatting that he will never forget. Your reference to him on accounts of Indian umpires cheating does not make any sense. Giving caught behinds on wide deliveries is another thing, and stopping a Britisher from running his mouth and violating the book is another…
Yeah, Gatting was violating the rule,sure. Check out the links - Shakoor’s Unforgettable Legacy Also Check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/in_depth/2000/england_on_tour/newsid_97600 0/976662.stm . And since you are so fond of Cricket.org links here is the link on Shakoor Rana Controversial Umpire shakoor Rana Dies, From the Above link - So far as the original incident was concerned, Gatting was less guilty than Rana, who accused him of moving a fielder, David Capel, from deep square leg behind the back of Salim Malik, the batsman.* Gatting had in fact notified Malik but, on that tour, which was riven by argument and officiated by some notably ** poor umpires, the explosion came. *
Gatting didn’t start it, It was Rana who called him ‘CHEAT’ first and then he gave him back mouthfull. I know what happened to Gatting and I also know that England Didn’t TOUR Pakistan for 13 years.
I am sure you weren’t following the series, Just for you :- http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/APR/0 97025_AFP_09APR2001.html
Read this report - http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2000/oct/07india.htm
No, That would be Abdur Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Shoaib Akhtar and others in your Team..who dont understand English and need a Translator…
Laughable that you declared that…Good one..Contrary to that Mike Gatting is one English Player I never liked because of his racist attitude. But On that day he was less wrong that Shakoor Rana.
If you didn’t know - One can be out caught behind on a Wide Ball because If you touch it with your bat its no longer a Wide ball (Too Late - you should have said NO - Ball) As for quality of Umpires - How many Pakistani umpires are in ICC Panel List ?? ZERO.
AK
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I don’t think you watched the match otherwise you wouldn’t be saying this. http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/MAR/109276_ZIMININD_07MAR2002.html
here is the link of the match report from the first one dayer where that incident happend,
and here is the statement made by you beloved cricket.org from the match report given above;
“Marillier and Taibu put on 42 runs in just 3.2 overs, but a shocking decision by the umpire sent back Taibu, supposedly caught behind. Ajay Ratra’s appeal aimed only to distract the umpire from calling an obvious wide, but it succeeded in getting rid of the batsman.”
Even with that one sided decision India still failed to win that match, SHAME ON YOU!
Only you seem to think that the ball touched the bat... I think you must be wearin some weird Indian lens... As I recall, even your own commentators thought that was poor umpiring. btw, they are testing out a new system in which the third umpire will be able to give other decisions, and thats bad news for India.... hehe
As for saqlain and the other guys not knowing English; unlike you we dont take pride in English as our first language. I have more respect for them compared to any other chump who shows off his english accent even though he has the ability to converse in his national language. People like Miandad, who werent as good in English reacted rather well to sledging; must I remind you how he mocked Botham, Dennis Lilee at their own game? On another note he even made a fool out of your jumping monkey kiran moore, and the Indians could not do anything in return but go over and start crying to the umpires, whereas that was one funny piece of mockery by Miandad to an overreacting moore, and should have been taken as humour. I know your will respond by saying that India won the match, blah blah blah (whereas I can quote lots of other matches from Pakistans superior record against India if you insist).
Ganguly on the other hand, said in a press statement that he didnt understand what the Australians said, although that is understandable, as their accent is a bit different, and ganguly was wearing a helmet, he should have done something other than watching their heads and admiring their spirits. Not being proficient in English and being a coward are too different things. Who cares if Saqlain cannot speak english when he can become the leading off spinner of the world and pull of test centuries.
You can hail your British masters on the shakoor rana incident as much as you like, but Shakoor was right on that one... No wonder Gatting was axed as the captain after that series. Gatting was even found to be involved in indecent activities after match hours, and your beloved cricket.org states that.
You can post a better reply than pasting links from the BBC which merely say that Shakoor was controversial. Being controversial makes him a cheat huh? I personally dont care what crappy sites like rediff say about that caught behind decision, we all know it was cheating on the part of the umpire, and the commentators too believed that the ball was miles off from the bat and said that infront of millions of people on the television.
If you wanna reply, do a better job than posting senseless links.
Again gentleman I think the points have been made and maybe time to give the arguments a rest, unless you can add something new and relevant to the topic.
Ehsan, I know we have been bad boys
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and giving you a tough time lately, so we will do what you want, and move on to a single thread for discussing the same topic or will discuss something new
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take care…
Spock