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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** Funny that, you see hate in my statements, also funny that you find Latif better than Moin, better get your facts right, Yes Mongia is a better WK than Latif and almost similar batting talent if not better.
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In you dreams pal, Mongia maybe a better batsman but when it comes to wicket keeping than no moin or mongia can come close to Rashid Latif.
[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited March 20, 2002).]
haha. thanks for providing the laugh there pal. you ever thought seriously about being a joker?
What did you say again? mongia is a wicket keeper?
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[This message has been edited by ammarr (edited March 21, 2002).]
testing
AMMARR, I think you need to take a CRASH COURSE on CRICKET PLAYERS. Yes ** NAYAN MONGIA**](http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/IND/M/MONGIA_NR_06002116/) is a Wicket Keeper, I hope you have heard this name before.
I think its your turn to be a standup Comedian.
AK
Heard Moin is coming back and Waqar might be on the way out?? Waqar might have his last chance in Sharjah to marshall his troops. If Moin does stage a comback what happens to Latif?
http://www-uk.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/MAR/117646_CI_21MAR2002.html
The dilemma of being Moin Khan
Agha Akbar - 21 March 2002
Moin Khan
Photo © CricInfo
Around this time last year, Moin Khan was the Pakistan captain. And although things had started unravelling for him because of a string of reverses, he was still supposed to carry the mantle till 2003 World Cup, if not beyond. Now, he has to use all his powers of persuasion, and some behind the scenes wheeler dealing, not to win back his place in the eleven, but simply to sweat along with the boys at the training camp.
That invitation was not an original idea of the selectors, but a mere afterthought. Not in the original 30, a terse one-liner two days later from the PCB headquarters informed the world that Moin’s name had been added to the list of invitees. The telephone lines are said to have ‘burnt’ not just between Lahore and Karachi, but all the way to Cape Town too, to win this small, but crucial concession to take Moin’s international career out of limbo.
But being “in the reckoning” is the easy part. With Rashid Latif keeping and batting like a dream come true, Moin’s return to the eleven will take some doing. **Ever so neat, compact, agile, athletic and all anticipation, with all the ingredients that make a great wicket-keeper, Rashid has looked so good with the gloves that a missed catch or stumping seems unimaginable. Of course Rashid too is human and fallible. But since his comeback there hasn’t been a hint of him giving anything away. So supreme has he been that in the Sri Lankan innings of 500-plus in the Asian Test Championship Final, he conceded just one bye. A remarkable feat, considering that the Pakistani ‘quicks’ were spraying it short and wide until young Mohammad Sami found the line and length to claim a hat-trick.
Using the gymnastics scale of excellence, if Rashid were to be rated a perfect 10, Moin was something like 5 or 6. It was Moin’s doughty batting, and some ‘indiscretions’ of Rashid’s that he has now left behind but has the courage of conviction not to disown, that earned the former preference. While Latif’s batting was even then in the classical mould, it was Moin whose ability in a crisis endeared him to the gallery and the selectors alike.
In his latest reincarnation, caused by a stroke of inspiration by the PCB chief Lt Gen Tauqir Zia, Latif is recognised as perhaps the best keeper-batsman - as opposed to batsman-keeper - in contemporary cricket. Rashid has earned this tag with remarkable consistency in critical situations, often in last-ditch stands with the tail. In the process he has improved both his Test and one-day highest scores, notching 150 in the same Test (against the West Indies at Sharjah) as he claimed his 100th victim behind the stumps.**
While Moin remains second best, by a considerable distance, he does not have the ghost of a chance to wear the Pakistan cap again in the near future. Regardless of the politics of cricket (in which the south of the country has repeatedly yet inexplicably stood solidly behind Moin, although Rashid is also a native of the same cosmopolitan city), the weight of Rashid’s performance is too massive to ignore.
But stranger things have happened in Pakistan cricket than Rashid being consigned to oblivion now when he is at the peak of his powers. Oblique hints that ‘player power’ is rearing its monstrous head are floating again. How high it will be raised will be determined in the days to come, depending on the PCB’s patience with such antics. If things get out of hand (the chances of which seem remote) there might be a slight opening here for Moin. Maybe he will beseech the selectors to offer him an opportunity as a specialist batsman. There is a precedent, for Moin has played international cricket as a batsman alone. But that was in different times.
The question here is: can Moin break into a batting line-up which may not live up to its potential in each and every innings, but where all middle-order spots are occupied by undisputed genuine articles? Can Moin possibly push out Inzamam, Youhana, Younis or Razzaq to carve a slot for himself? It doesn’t seem plausible.
Among others, Faisal Iqbal, rated highly by some but run down by others, cannot hope to find a place in the middle order. That is why Faisal’s canny uncle Javed Miandad, knowing full well that there are limited opportunities in the middle order, has suggested to the selectors in one of his columns on a web site that the youngster be considered for an opener’s slot.
So the dilemma for Moin is two-fold: Rashid is well settled, and the window of opportunity for batsmen is shut too tightly for comfort. It is time for the gritty fighter Moin to test the power of his prayers, and hope that luck would somehow shine on him.
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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
** Asif I think he is talking about Mongia who played against Zimbabwe.
Please do refer first names as well.
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Well, He should have read previous posts before jumping into the discussion and calling me a JOKER. No one,including yourself, was refering to Mongia's first name here (except me, I was the only one who used NAYAN Mongia in my earlier posts).
AK
[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited March 21, 2002).]
Asif dude, I was only being sarcastic, how many times have I seen that monkey by the name of mongia(yes nayan mongia) scream on the top of his lungs when the ball is a foot from the bat. But yes it is understandable that the sarcasm flew over your head.
God man, how dumb do you get? Why would anyone try to back india when records clearly point (52wins-pak/29wins-ind) which is the better team. Quit it MAN.
In reply to Sambirillian's article,
I think its going to be tough comeback for Moin Khan, I admire this guy so much but with Rashid in excellent form, I doubt if he makes the final eleven unless Rashid gets injured.
I remember couple years back when Pak toured South Africa and both Moin and Rashid were playing in the same match, Moin was behind the stumps and Rashid was playing as a batsman.
I doubt that it will be the same for moin, coming in the team as a mid order batsman.
Moin is mentally tough and does real well in pressure times.
As for Waqar leaving the team, I somehow doubt that, regardless of that embarassing loss to SL, he has done a great job as a skipper even better than Moin, I think he should lead the team atleast through the world cup then they can do anything they want to do with him.
Oh now you claim that you were being Sarcastic, Man there is no limit !! Is there ?
Mongia is not a monkey, Monkey is someone called Javed Miandad, Whole world saw him in 1992 when he couldn't score runs he Jumped like a MONKEY. He had done that before Liliee and Botham also.
All these wins you talk about is with the help of Sharjah and its Umpires - Take that out and we will see how many you have won.
AK
[This message has been edited by Asif_k (edited March 21, 2002).]
Such loyalty to India that Asif can't come to terms with the simple fact that Pak can trash India any place, any time - whether cricket, hockey, wrestling, or snooker. Now that Stats prove it all, he concludes that the umpires were biased.
A couple of head high bouncers should take care of Ganguly. And Tendulkar, well, Abdur Razzaq would savor another chnace of rattling his off-stump.
You have a perennial inferiority complex when it comes to Pakistan. In all fairness, you can't be blamed for that.
[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited March 22, 2002).]
Ditto that. The inferiority complex will kill you one of these days man. Go and whine somewhere else about how india is a worse team because of the umpire. What logic!
Don’t tell me you forgot the about all the times Pak annihilated India at home in one days and test matches.
Here is the record of Pakistan humiliating India in India and without Pakistani umpires
Matches P Home Away Neut W L T NR Percent
v India 14 0 14 0 10 4 0 0 71.43%
GO check it out yourself http://statserver.cricket.org/perl/sdb/sdb_filter.pl?team=PAK&class=oditeam
[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited March 21, 2002).]
[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited March 21, 2002).]
Asif, please give us examples of every match in which umps were wrong in Sharjah. If you are unable to supply examples, please don't say anything at all.
Second of all, everyone is given the opportunity to select umpires. India had the choice, ICC official umpires. They passed tests, and maybe a mistake here and there and you are blaming them of half of their wins on bad umpiring?
Is it Pakistan's fault that Tendulkar didn't score 150 every match? Or that Ganguly wasn't able to hit a six off every ball?
If you blame umpires like a little sissy girl, then can we say that MOSTLY EVERY SINGLE game played in cricket is not official and shouldn't be called because of people whinning about umpiring?
Thus every team is the best, because of unfair umpires?
Take it like a man, and accept the losses
Oh btw.. I want Moin Khan back! I miss him in every match, the team of him and Wasim.
I was really happy with him as vice-captain to Wasim. More pleased then the team of Waqar and Inzi.
We are able to squeeze in Moin for lots of matches. Just as a batsman. Especially in One Days.
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[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited March 22, 2002).]
MUST I remind you about your World Cup Performance against us ??
M W L D
3 0 3 0 100.00 %
AK
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
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MUST I remind you about your World Cup Performance against us ??
M W L D
3 0 3 0 100.00 %
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Hey everyone. Lets please agree with Asif_k, as he seems so desperate to have an upper hand over Pakistan that he cant get over the three matches in the world cup, totally ignoring the thrashing which the head to head matches shows which India has received at the hands of Pakistan. Next we will be analysing matches by ground and he can selectively quote matches played on grounds where India beat Pakistan, difficult though it will be to find such occurrences. Asif you should look at the overall picture and not selective matches. Overall Pakistan has beaten the hell out of your team, that is a fact whether you like it or not. A fact you cant deny either, and that is the main reason why your saffron brigade in power does not want to play Pakistan at cricket while they are more than willing to play them at every other game. Some principle your government has.
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