Has present-day Pak been historically different from present-day India?

khoji · February 26, 2014, 3:14pm

It is argued by some that Pakistan has always been separate from India. Do you think it is true?
I don’t understand why people say this. So asking for opinion.

Tpervaiz · February 26, 2014, 3:24pm

Definately both are different countries.They are different in many ways but i had few indian frends they are much like us.Well i don't know about their cultures.

Amal · February 26, 2014, 3:58pm

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Bollywood?

Doppleganger · February 26, 2014, 4:10pm

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There would be differences just like there is no one indian identity even if some groups in india have a higher share because of breeding like rabbits.

I guess, in that sense, Pakistan is like that since Pakistani punjabis and sindhis (along with muhajirs) have links with India and that is easily more than 70% of our population ?

TLK · February 26, 2014, 4:15pm

I am not sure if I am understanding the question. Combined sub-continent has a very diversed culture from east to west and from north to south. Tamil nadu looks like a different country if you compare it with Amritsar. Bengal and Rajasthan have two very distinct culture. Does it mean that these four should be separate nations now?

khoji · February 26, 2014, 4:28pm

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True. India is very diverse. Same goes for Pakistan.
This is why I don't understand how can people claim to see the "difference" between the two before partition. To see the difference one must first identify the two entities needing comparison. In case of India and Pakistan, the identification of the two is so vague that is difficult to determine what exactly makes a person Pakistani or Indian (except the majority religion).

khoji · February 26, 2014, 4:33pm

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Anwer_Pasha · February 26, 2014, 8:17pm

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Look at the map

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Indus valley civilization extent in mature and late phase with geographic features and famous cities

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Extent and major sites of the Indus Valley Civilization as depicted by researcher Rajesh Rao.

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The Largest Bronze Age Urban CivilizationIndus civilization remnants have been discovered from as far south as Mumbai [Bombay], in Maharashtra State, India, and as far north as the Himalayas and northern Afghanistan.

[size=5]The westernmost sites are on the Arabian sea coast in Baluchistan, Pakistan, right next to the Iranian border.

A thousand miles to the east in India, Harappan settlements have been found beyond India’s capital, New Delhi in Uttar Pradesh State. Discoveries in Lothal andGola Dhoro and Dholavira in Gujarat State suggest a southern coastal network spanning hundreds of miles.[/size]

queer · February 26, 2014, 8:21pm

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that was nearly 5000 years ago, pasha saab. the people who lived in the indus valley now live in tamil nadu, the ones who stayed got wiped out by your people - todays north indians and pakistanis.

Ghost14 · February 26, 2014, 8:28pm

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I wouldn't say they were wiped out, but plenty of documentaries touch on the fact that the Indus Valley civilization declined because of changing climate patterns. Northern India became far more fertile so the populations moved East. The city centers of later civilizations were mostly in India.

India and Pakistan are such a mishmash of cultures that anyone who makes the claim of current nationalistic identities extending back even 200 years is idiotic.

queer · February 26, 2014, 8:33pm

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im just being a little dramatic before pasha pai photoshopped on a PPP office building onto the indus valley map.

kakaballi · February 27, 2014, 5:05am

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You could say that several states (Punjab, Bahawlpur, Multan, Rajhistan, Bangal, etc) that could constitute independent entities were divided during the partition. India, as a whole, has never been a single entity anyways. Several economic and ethnic units were destroyed with the way partition was handled which has affected lives of people on both sides over the last several decades.

What has been done is done. We must look forward now trying not to repeat the same mistakes.

muqawwee123 · February 27, 2014, 5:22am

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Read Aitzaz Ahsan’s ‘The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan’. He is one of the supporters of this theory.

You might remember discussions in this thread

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-history/604959-pakistan-the-true-heir-of-indus-valley-civilization-analysis.html

Anwer_Pasha · February 27, 2014, 7:05pm

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Shift of Mansoon in Pakistan’s north west was also a reason of decline of urban centers of the Indus valley Civilization ∼4000 yr ago, but extant paleoclimatic evidence has been derived from locations well outside the distribution of Indus settlements. History of Pakistan , 4000 years ago .

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Ali_Syed · March 1, 2014, 7:15am

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India has never been one country barring small stints during maurya and Guptas period (totalling around 200 years out of 5000 odd years of history). During the last 1000 years, most of India was united first by the Moghuls and then the British.

Ali_Syed · March 1, 2014, 7:17am

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Culture of Pakistani areas (Punjab and Sindh) are similar to indian punjab, Gujarat and Rajasthan and that makes perfect sense.