So we are still hearing about the suicide bombings, attacks and all that still going on, like previously, in Iraq. The prime target is still Police Stations and politicians. Where they get a chance, I am sure, the “insurgents” will continue attacking US occupation forces too.
So what really has changed? The transfer of “sovereignity” doesn’t seem to change anything on the ground for Iraqis. There is even a lack of perception that anything has changed on June 28th.
With 135,000 (give or take a few thousands) US forces still in Iraq, it is a difficult case to push that the occupation has ended.
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Occupation does'nt end untill the last GI Joe leaves Iraq and the stooge leadership in Iraq is replaced with a valid government.
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and how do u define a valid government in arab world.........i think that the present situation in Iraq is in perfct agreement with the political stagnancy of last 50 years of Arab world.........what else arabs want...they got their perfect government model....An Un-elected Dictatorship...............
Of course, can't you see the great democracy, the peace, the thriving business, the gardens, the great infrastructure... I though only Afghanistan had all those.... LOL......
and how do u define a valid government in arab world.........i think that the present situation in Iraq is in perfct agreement with the political stagnancy of last 50 years of Arab world.........what else arabs want...they got their perfect government model....An Un-elected Dictatorship...............
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You think a puppet iraq regime hand selected by the amerikkans which includes former CIA employees like allawahi the leader who shoot inmates in cold blood is in perfect agreement with politics in Arab world.
I think your view on the world of politics is rather disturbing.
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You think a puppet iraq regime hand selected by the amerikkans which includes former CIA employees like allawahi the leader who shoot inmates in cold blood is in perfect agreement with politics in Arab world.
I think your view on the world of politics is rather disturbing.
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Your view of Arab politics is naive. Remember, they are all puppets anyway. And just about every one of them would shoot inmates in cold blood in a Riyadh minute.
Coming back to the question of change in Iraq... here are a few parameters we can discuss the issue with.
1. Has the "occupation" really ended?
1. How much authority does the Allawi government has in deciding the role of American military in Iraq?
1. Has the security situation changed?
1. Has the perception of Iraqi people changed vis a vis their government?
*]Is Iraq on the road to "democracy" and if western style democracy is not in line with Iraqi's lifestyle, then what kind of democracy will they be getting?
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Your view of Arab politics is naive. Remember, they are all puppets anyway. And just about every one of them would shoot inmates in cold blood in a Riyadh minute.
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Oh so keep killing that makes it all right then like i said niave view indeed!
The man Iraqis most openly praise today is interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, a stocky 59-year-old neurologist and former exile with a thin rasp of a voice, a fondness for black suits and a slight limp from the night in 1978 when a crew sent by Hussein tried to kill him with an ax in London.
I't seems to be a rumor and one that the Iraqis enjoy....
Few things have thrust the prime minister further into the spotlight than a recent tale whispered on Baghdad streets that that in most countries would be a political nightmare: According to the rumor, Allawi pulled out a gun and executed suspected rebels at a police station last month.
Teahouse chatter
Yet gossip is potent in the Arab world, particularly in Iraq, where Hussein once propagated details of brutality to terrify others from running afoul of him. Ordinary Iraqis say the story suggests Allawi is tough, and for that they hail him.
And despite years of suffering under the capricious use of labels such as "criminal" and "suspect," many Iraqis seem weary enough with violence to think swift justice might be a good idea again.
"We have heard the rumor and we believe it," said Mustafa Fouad, 20, who runs a small electric-fan shop in the busy Karrada neighborhood in Baghdad. "There are about two or three thousand criminals in our society and we need to get rid of them."
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This sounds positive Faisal...
Combative leader wins Iraqi respect
The man Iraqis most openly praise today is interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi,
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It is indeed positive (from a certain viewpoint), utd... however, Mr Evan Osnos must have based the statement on his own views or limited anecdotal evidence. In the absence of proper election or even some reasonable polling exercises, it is hard to swallow statements like "The man Iraqis most openly praise today" without some kind of skepticism. May be once the security situation improves a bit (so that we stop hearing about "insurgents" carrying suicide bomb attacks every other day), we can begin to think that the situation is improving somewhat.