Re: Has anyone read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?
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MissMalik
Are you a Masih follower?
Re: Has anyone read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?
I have an ahmedi friend, and I respect that they have separate beliefs.
But I dont have time to read their primary literature. I dont even give enough time to read my own religion's primary literature, the Quran, so why am I going to spend extra time exploring Ahmedi texts.
I dont think that a Prophet just popped up out of nowhere during the British era around the time when independence and the muslim rights were being pondered, out of coincidence. I think based on the timing of the history, it makes sense that he was a planted british agent. Whatever he writes, he writes like a regular Pakistani writer of that generation, and honestly, he didn't come up with anything original based on the postings here from Islam.
So, you copy Islam, then you say you're a new prophet...and it's not like you can compare his life and it's magnitude of effects with the miracles that came with the real prophets. Prophet Muhammad, Moses, Jesus, Noah, Adam, Abraham, etc all came with some pretty substantial miracles.
What did this guy do? Write a book that reiterated and re-worded concepts from the Quran and Hadeeth?
I mean, I could do that.
Re: Has anyone read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?
MissMalik you are seeing the world with tainted glasses.
Your co-religionists (Christians) always portray themselves as peaceful people – but their history is full of blood spilling.
- Crusades against Muslims
- Extermination of “Red Indians” in North America
- Extermination of Incas in Mexico
- Annihilation of Aborigines in Australia
- Two World Wars
- Vietnam War
- Bosnian War
Not forgetting inter-Christian wars between Catholics and the rest (Protestants, Orthodox etc)
In same vein the Christians stand out as most violent people!
The scholar has said the truth – In practicing their religion Muslims are very negligent so suffering the consequences.
As a Christian it will be of interest to you to know:
jesus - Ahmadi Beliefs -references given
HazratIssa - Ahmadi Beliefs - -references given
christianity - Ahmadi Beliefs - -references given
What do have to say now?
Muslims have no problems with Ahmadi beliefs – they can believe what they like – but they cannot call it Islam.
They have their own prophet Ghulam Ahmad – thus they are Ahmadis
In Islam there is no room for a new prophet – only a wannabe pretender will lay a claim to this (new prophet hood)
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its not only that muslim n ahmdy fact … sunni- shiya and shiya-sunni thing … keep on blaming each other etc
i dont care who is real muslim or not but if someone says he is muslim then who are u to say they are not… in some sayings of your prophet he also said that who ever says that kalima thing is muslim and only god knows the content of heart… u r not god… only god knows this
As a Christian it will be interest of you to know:
jesus - Ahmadi Beliefs -references given
HazratIssa - Ahmadi Beliefs - -references given
christianity - Ahmadi Beliefs - -references given
thats their point of view… so what?
have no doubt abt jesus n what he has done for his people but thanks a lot for posting this stuff which i already knew
why dont you post:
jesus- sunni /shia beliefs
hazratissa- sunni wateva believs
chirstianity - ahl e sunnah thing believs
In same vein the Christians stand out as most violent people!
JESUS!!!
OFFtopic:
lol really???
u want me to repeat muslim history and present here
yeah i dont deny this catholic war but compared to all these muslims war which were past n are present n hopefully will not be future
this is so off topic i didnt mention any muslim war or something i jus said how much u hate each other and where this hatred come from… u want me to mention all ur muslim leaders their military history, war etc here … no i dont wanna go in details
over all luk at christian countries n to muslim countries then compare
peace
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So what’s your problems if we have point of view about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s prophet hood and his books?
If you are so tolerant about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s views about jesus/christians etc why don’t you show same tolerance about our views about him? Your stance is puzzling! I smell a rat here!
Re: Has anyone read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?
So what's your problems if we have point of view about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's prophet hood and his books?
If you are so tolerant about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's views about jesus/christians etc why don't you show same tolerance about our views about him? Your stance is puzzling! I smell a rat here!
ofc u can have ur point of view but dont judge who is muslim or not ....
(for all religions) and dont say things which u jus heard or something... explore ur own religion n then talk abt it and if u want to hve an own point of view of christianity or qadinat u need to explore them then talk otherwise jus leave it
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i dont deny anything which is proved.... i found this book in english
** there wasnt any page with 1000 times written the word** "lanat" or " curse"..... first of all one need to find out which is the original version
luk at sholars of ahl e sunah and shiya wahabi what kind of language they use ..... u never used the word lanat?
u never heard it from any muslim? lanat is a arabic word for "a curse " **
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**muslims first explore ur book :**
3.087 "of such the reward is that on them the** curse** of allah, of his angels, and of all mankind"
2.161 "those who reject, and die rejecting.- on them is allah´s** curse*, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind"
4.148 " allah loves not that evil curse in public, expect where injustice has been done
2:159 "those who conceal the clear (signs) we have send down, and the guidance, after we have made it clear for the people in the book.-on them shall allah´s curse, and the curse of those entitled to **curse"*
5.078 " those who disbelieved from among the children of isreael were cursed by the tongue of dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit
ziyarat ashura, which is hadith qudsi, Allah (swt) says:"send your la´na **(curses) **on abu sufyan and muawiya, and yazid son of muawiya and let it be an everlasting la´na from u"
one muslim who havent read his own book is blaming others religion... first explore ur religion n than say anything abt other
Jesus help!!!!!!!!!!!!
if they claim to be muslim then this is matter betwen them n god!!!!
jesus!!!!!!!!!! i dont understand this muslim mentality.. u dont even know abt ur religion n u r commenting on other religions and this is specially for the guy who wrote this lecture abt christianity
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its all about spreading hate :D
BYEEEE
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Peace MissMalik
I gave all you asked for and you went silent ... Can I ask you where I can find the basis of Christian dogma ... Can you explain to me how you view the crucifixion? And where I can find the meaning of the cornerstone in one of the parables in the New Testament?
Re: Has anyone read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?
i dont deny anything which is proved.... i found this book in english
** there wasnt any page with 1000 times written the word** "lanat" or " curse"..... first of all one need to find out which is the original version
luk at sholars of ahl e sunah and shiya wahabi what kind of language they use ..... u never used the word lanat? u never heard it from any muslim? lanat is a arabic word for "a curse " ** ** **muslims first explore ur book :**
3.087 "of such the reward is that on them the** curse** of allah, of his angels, and of all mankind" 2.161 "those who reject, and die rejecting.- on them is allah´s** curse*, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind" 4.148 " allah loves not that evil curse in public, expect where injustice has been done 2:159 "those who conceal the clear (signs) we have send down, and the guidance, after we have made it clear for the people in the book.-on them shall allah´s curse, and the curse of those entitled to **curse"* 5.078 " those who disbelieved from among the children of isreael were cursed by the tongue of dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit
ziyarat ashura, which is hadith qudsi, Allah (swt) says:"send your la´na **(curses) **on abu sufyan and muawiya, and yazid son of muawiya and let it be an everlasting la´na from u"
one muslim who havent read his own book is blaming others religion... first explore ur religion n than say anything abt other
Jesus help!!!!!!!!!!!!
if they claim to be muslim then this is matter betwen them n god!!!!
jesus!!!!!!!!!! i dont understand this muslim mentality.. u dont even know abt ur religion n u r commenting on other religions and this is specially for the guy who wrote this lecture abt christianity
You're an Ahmadi ...you think you're a Muslim and a Christian and confuse people.
I'm going to answer each one of your claims against us inshaAllah ... And calm down ... If you are not Ahmadi then there is no need to be so full of emotion ...
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jesus!!!!!!!!!! i dont understand this muslim mentality.. u dont even know abt ur religion n u r commenting on other religions and this is specially for the guy who wrote this lecture abt christianity
It looks like that you need to heed your own advice before you dish it to others; go and learn your own religion first.
When you point a finger at others: watch your three fingers are pointing at you.
its all about spreading hate :D BYEEEE
No it’s about eradicating viruses : D
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i dont deny anything which is proved.... i found this book in english
** there wasnt any page with 1000 times written the word** "lanat" or " curse"..... first of all one need to find out which is the original version
Can you give me the link or ISBN number of this English translation of Nur ul Haq ...???
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This thread has run its course.. too bad that despite my intention to let you all discuss things in a peaceful manner, some of you could not maintain it.