Harsh realities:

legbreakgoogly · August 4, 2007, 3:24pm

Like it or not Pakistan is the epicentre of international terrorism. Whether nor not it is state policy is irrelevant. Many if not most terror groups operate our of the tribal belt and recruit extensively from Pakistan’s poor masses.
Pakistan is in a state of low intensity civil war (LICW) with Islamist forces, mainly in the North but increasingly elsewhere. It will only get worse.
The fault lines in Pakistani society between the small westward looking elite and the masses who are indifferent to Islamism are growing. Where is the public outcry against this campaign of terror by the Radicals?
Pakistan will face disintegration as a state within a decade unless one of these diametrically opposed forces falls. Ideally Islamism will collapse, in reality the small secular elite will jump ship as in Iran leaving Pakistan to its fate in the hands of extremists.
The lack of public action shows that a huge number of Pakistanis dont oppose Islamism-if not actively support it.

tweety_pie · August 4, 2007, 4:41pm

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depressing :(:(:(

Khehkeshan · August 4, 2007, 5:33pm

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Welcome to what MQM has been saying and fighting against for about 20 years now.

legbreakgoogly · August 4, 2007, 7:13pm

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I am not aware of the program histories of MQM, but those realities are the facts of the situation. Sadly.

Khehkeshan · August 4, 2007, 7:46pm

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While rest of Pakistan was going gaga over mullah jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir, MQM and also other nationalist parties were fighting against this threat.

legbreakgoogly · August 4, 2007, 7:51pm

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Isnt MQM an ethno-centric party which cares not for Pakistan at large but only the muhajir community?

tweety_pie · August 4, 2007, 8:52pm

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yeah thats what ive always thougt as well, wasn't one of their members filmed saying that pakistan should never have been created ?????

legbreakgoogly · August 4, 2007, 10:15pm

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That was there head honch!

Haris · August 5, 2007, 1:40pm

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legbreak,

Very harsh yet factual picture very well stated :k:

legbreakgoogly · August 5, 2007, 3:05pm

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I have this ability to cut thru the crap and hit the nail on the head.

JaanBaazz · August 5, 2007, 5:29pm

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Legbreak,

Your points are correct. Here are some more:

Govt is currently not supporting terrorism but GHQ/ISI and "old guard" do not want to completely kill off their "assets". The terrorists are taking advantage of this ambivalence and hurting Pakistan.
Pakistan is not necessarily facing a LICW but it is facing an organized resistance from "good guys" gone "bad". These people can cause a civil war if they want to but right now they are just trying to intimidate their former masters by targeted attacks.
The fault lines are between "roshan khyal" and "conservative" but there are also economic gaps. The "moderates" are largely the ones benefiting from economic reform. Lack of transparency and total corruption has pushed middle class from conservative to Islamist or "jihadi".
Pakistan's future is right now in the hands of the GHQ. It can come clean, take responsibility for its past mistakes and do a Kemalist wipeout of the various Talibans and jihadi tanzeemat or it can make "deals" and slowly lose power to its former allies.

Khehkeshan · August 5, 2007, 9:18pm

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Sure MQM cares about its own community and also the injustice it has suffered in Pakistan. But it also care about the dream of Paksitan since we all migrated for that dream which has been occupied by armymen and jihadis.

legbreakgoogly · August 5, 2007, 9:59pm

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Isnt it time to forget that migration and become part of the wider society?

They are alienating themselves.

tweety_pie · August 5, 2007, 10:02pm

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yeah exactly, but i don;t think they give a damn that they're alientating themselves!!

legbreakgoogly · August 5, 2007, 10:11pm

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If they dont like it, doors open. :D

Khehkeshan · August 6, 2007, 12:27am

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You are a naive one aren't you.

Isn't it time for Pushtuns to forget about their tribes and ethnicity and become Pakistanis only?

Isn't it time for Punjabis to forget about their castes and ethnicity and become Pakistanis only?

Isn't it time for Balochs to forget about their sardars and ethnicity and become Pakistanis only?

Isn't it time for Sindhis to forget about their waderos and ethnicity and become Pakistanis only?

They are just alienating themselves I think. What do you think?

All this "we are all Pakistani and nothing else" slogan is really nice on paper, especially if you preach it to mohajirs. The moment you tell this to punjabis pushtuns, sindhis, balochs etc. it falls flat on its face.

JaanBaazz · August 6, 2007, 1:19am

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I'm not a "Mohajir" but I agree with KK. There should be no issue with any group of Pakistanis identifying themselves at a sub-national level. Take the simple issue of marriage to see the hypocrisy. How many "Syeds" seek rishta outside of "Syed"? I don't see any problem with such things as long as it does not affect our national unity. Forcing one view on all others is dangerous when compared to this.

pak-one · August 6, 2007, 1:34am

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What are you talking about? I have read countless threads Punjabis saying they belong this caste or that. Proud to Jatt/Rajput/etc. If urdu speakers want to hold on to an identity, what do you care?

As for alienation, lets not go there, as just about every Paki has some type of gripe.