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"You people are so blind with emotion and nationalism that you can't think logically, your heads are so deeply buried in sand"

Maybe you should take your head out of the sand and realise that I did not blame Punjabis for anything. Punjabi and Muhajir culture is being enforced on the rest of the nation and thats a fact. If anyone feels offended by this statement, so be it. And if you want to speak of logic, go back to your original post and tell me whats logical about annexing the Pashtun strip and incorporating them into our country when Pakistan cannot even give rights to it's current minority ethnic groups? Almost 70 languages and dialects are spoken in our country but we have 2 official langauges. One left over by the Ferangis and the other enforced on us by Indian-immigrants and the Punjabis who have sold their languge to become Urdu-speaking. What happens to the rest of us?

Before you speak of the plight of Pashtuns in Afghanistan, get educated on the history of Afghanistan. You thinks it's only Pashtuns who are suffering? The Uzbeks, Hazara's, Farsiwans, and other ethnicities have suffered immensly at the hands of the Pashtun elite that have ruled Afghanistan for the last 300 years. It has worked both ways so don't bias the situation.

As far as Pashtun culture goes, yes it is dieing on both sides of the border. However, atleast Pashto has some sort of recognition in Afghanistan, where as in Pakistan it has absolutely none. Pashto is more alive in Afghanistan, it is taught in schools and their are national institutions backing it (or atleats there were). In Pakistan this is not the case and I know that from first hand experience. Urdu is invading the frontier and many of our younger generations lack fluency in their mother tongues. Go to Peshawar city and you'll notice that you can understand the majority of what people are saying because Urdu vocabulary has completely dominated the local dialect.

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Do anyone know this hindu calender which is followed by States of Andhra Pradesh, Maharastra, Karnataka and also sindh also has the new year fall on the same day

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You are over sentimental! What language people of NWFP speak when they talk to each other over there? The Chitralis? The Hazaras? The pushtoons? The gilgities? In balouchistan the chengerzi hazraas, the pustoons and the balocuh? Of-course it is urdu!

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Well said PP!

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What exactly are you commenting on, PromiscuousPaki's statement that I quoted or what I said in response to it?

As far as your statement goes, the people of the Frontier and Balochistan have been communicating with eachother way before Pakistan was created and Urdu was imposed on us. The beauty of it is that due to the diversity of the region, many people were and still are multi-lingual. If you have ever been to our region you will notice that most Hazaras and many Pashtuns are fluent in both Hindko and Pashto. In the north, althought people are not Pashtun, they still are able to speak Pashto, Khowar, Kohistani, etc. Now I'm not saying everyone is multi-linguagal; however, we have been communicating for years and we havent had any problems. If you look at Chitral alone, over ten languages are spoken in the district and everyone was fine before Urdu came along. The same goes for the Baloch, many can speak Farsi, and the northern one's can also communicate in Pashto.

Due to Urdu, the multi-lingualism is being destroyed and now everyone is being forced to just use Urdu as a means of communication with other ethnicities. Not only that but our mother tongues are being destroyed due to it.

I am definetly sentimental about my language, culture, ethnicity. Why should'nt I be? Because the other half of Pakistan has decided to openly submit to ethnic cleansing (YES, thats exactly what it is!)

Anyway, my point is not to offend Urdu-speaking people or Punjabis or any other fellow citizens. The bottom line is that Urdu and Punjabi culture is being enforced on everyone else in Pakistan because the government is not giving us the right to teach our languges and give them official status. Whoever disputes this can go ahead and fight with their wall. Facts are Facts.

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You are still sentimental! Well dear in the old days, road and communicaitons were poor. People harldy used to see other people other than their own clan! So they needed less to communicate!

Listen over next 500 years English will become the langauge or the communication language of almost 50% of the world! So these things are
natural! Nobody has imposed urdu upon you!

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Well that is a legitimate demand, to be honest we all want Pashto, Punjabi etc. to be given official statuses in their respective provinces but what puts many off is when the mindless nationals who don’t really care for Pukhtuns or Pakistan jump on the pro-India/Afghan bandwagon and start talking about merging with Afghanistan or seperate Pashtunistan. I hate people who talk against Pakistan, I was one of them but realised grass is not greener on the other side.

Language of interprovincial communication can always be English or Arabic (seen as it’s our religious language and Pakistan was made on the basis of our common religious identity not on the ethnic identity of the Urdu people)..

**Che Watan Me Pakistan De, Zan-Zigar Me Pe Qorban De, Da Watan Der Pe Ma Gran De, Da Watan Der Pe Ma Gran De, Sta Na Zar Zama Watana, Ya Qorban Zama Watana, Sta Na Zar Zama Watana, Ya Qorban Zama Watana… **:jhanda:

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The ethnic kashmiri's of pakistan have also been neglected a lot, kashmiri is hardly spoken by any ethnic kashmiri in pakistan anymore, also kashmiris are not an amalgm of aryan/dravidians, they're a semitic race with mostly jewish ancestry (well thats what my dna ethnicity test showed anyway) and my parent claim that they are from pure kashmiri families. The punjabi government of pakistan really needs to get some sense slapped into it, they're over forcing stupid indian culture and languages that are not native to the land, let the lands native culture thrive so we can have our own identity. Also in my opinion urdu should be scrapped as a national lingo but still be retained for litrature and historical purposes, and instead be replaced by a national lingo which encompasses a mixture of pashtu,sindhi,baloch,kashmiri and arabic, this should satisfy the various ethnic groups and will also make pakistan unique and different to india.

But at the end of the day il be happy with anything that distances pakistan away from india as much as possible.

Also one thing I'd like to get an answer to is, why is pakistan considered as south east asia, the majority of our borders are not with south east asia, but with central asia (china + afghanistan) and middle east (iran), yet the indian border dominates everything, why?

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By the way, by ethnic kashmiris, I mean kashmiris from the actual valleys and not the people of azad kashmir as 99.5% of the people from azad kashmir are of punjabi ethnicity, i.e. gujjars, choudrys from places such as mirpur and the surrounding areas etc. They are not ethnically kashmiri at all and look totally different to ethnic kashmiris.

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why is everyone here a negetavist?

by pointing out DISUNITY and not at all making any effort to point out positive examples of UNITY among Muslims.

if this is how things are viewed by 'Muslims' themselves, lop sidedly, how can one/ we ever make any head way in clearing up oneself/ourselves of the self-learnt dependency on others, as a nation and as a self-reliant ethnicity, which at the moment is full of vulnerabilities, and discrepancies.

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Kashmiri is a beautful language as are other Dardic languages and it needs to be preserved, I remember Kashmiri News on PTV during summer vacations and it's beautiful, so musical although I couldn't understand much of it...

It is not only in Pakistan but also in India where they have Urdu as the national state language of Indian occupied Kashmir, they cunningly chose Urdu, as Hindi would be obvious cultural imperialism, though both are dialects of the same language but due to ignorance Urdu is associated with Islam even though it has nothing to do with Islam, the official/liturgical/inter-communication language of our religion Islam and the International Muslim Community is Arabic (so beautiful to be greeted by my Philipino bros/sis at work with Salaam-Alaykum)..

Urdu remains a Sanskritic or Indic language despite a few foreign (Arabic, Persian) terms and phrases chucked in there.

You are right about Kashmiris and Kashmiri culture having nothing to do with South-Asia, I see it as Central-Asian as well, I'm not Kashmiri but I can't wait till the day Pakistan becomes a true confederation and all of Kashmir is freed and it's culture and identity preserved in the Pakistani state of Kashmir or you get an independent country Kashmir free of Indian occupation.

Urdu should have it's own province Urduistan (Karachi) and it should be limited to that, the rest of Pakistan should have their own languages as national languages, for inter-state communication we can use English, Arabic or an artificially constructed amalgam of our national languages (Urdu, Pukhtu, Kashmiri, Panjabi, Sindhi, Balochi)..

The only thing I disagree with you is where your post implies Urdu or Punjabi culture is something negative, every culture is beautiful and I love Punjabi and Urdu culture, but it's wrong to destroy other cultures and impose ones own on them.

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That is so true, a lot of them refer to themselves as Kashmiri which is totally incorrect as they are mountain Punjabis..

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Where can one have a 'DNA Ethnicity Test' and how much does it cost if anything? I'd appreciate it if you could reply, thanks.

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-Promiscous Paki-, you are confused.

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How so? Why don't you enlighten me oh wise one?

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graana from nouroz to people thumping on what is better for the pashtuns lol interesting. Well this topic has been done to death, can we just divert this topic prom paki n hotak (wallah graan from the tribe of our great leader Mirwais neeka- Khudaye e obakhee must be rolling in his grave at his Pakhtun/Afghan nation). Now lets start and discuss the origins of nouroz(Naway kaal) and the vaious customs. As far as us Pashtuns, we have a very simple way of celebrating it, good food, relatives. I believe in the olden times they would do parzawaal(wrestling), archery (maybe an ode to our scythian ancestors?), attarnh etc.

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http://www.cal.org/co/afghan/apeop.html

They are only 38% of Afghanistan.

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Ok guys. Keeep it clean or shut up.

Listen to thread author and stick to the topic. dont get personal or cheap. :nono1:

be nice

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thanks code red.