Can somebody recommend some books or articles for information on hanifs the pre-islamic monothesitic religion of arabia and some sahaba were its followers before like AbuTalib b abdul muttalib[ra] and saeed b zayd [ra]
Can somebody recommend some books or articles for information on hanifs the pre-islamic monothesitic religion of arabia and some sahaba were its followers before like AbuTalib b abdul muttalib[ra] and saeed b zayd [ra]
FIRSTLY PLEASE GIVE REF: where u find that These Above Personalities was from the Hanifs origion
Re: Hanifs ?
That was the name of, what is also known as Deen-e-Ibrahimi, followers of Hazrat Ibrahim (AS).
Healthymind, Das is right, all those names that he mentioned were the followeres of Deen-e-Ibrahimi
Re: Hanifs ?
^Are we talking about the uncle and grandfather of the Messenger of Allah 
b/c if that’s the case then they both worshipped idols and Allah knows best!
tsk tsk!
[105:1] Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant?
I am sorry boss, your info is not correct. Abu talib and abdul muttalib were not idol worshipers. Prophets father’s name was Abdullah, named by his grandfather.
how can an idol worshiper name his son , slave of allah
Re: Hanifs ?
^bro, it is well known that Abu Talib died as a kafir and only four people in Arabian were monotheistic around the birth of the Messenger of Allah and before he received the revelation. Unfortunately, Abou Talib and Abdul Mutlib were not two of the fours. Also, the names Abdullah etc are common Arabic names and they have nothing to do with religion. Even today, many Christian caries the names and they appear to be Muslims but in reality they are not. Also, remember that mushrikeen didn’t deny the existence of Allah but they said idols act as waseela. and Allah knows best!
insha’Allah, i’ll get the evidence and show it to you. If there is no strong evidence to prove my case, then i’ll take back what I said.
Respected Brother
Assalam-o-Alaikum
I do respect your view point. Infact, the same view is held by most of Ahle-Hadith and Deobandis. They may be having there own reasons and logics. I am neither questioning nor discussing them. But the Brelvis and Shias consider both of them to be Muslims.
Wassalam.
tsk tsk!
[105:1] Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant?
Respected zer01
You are 100% right. The whole episode of the attack of Abraha and the response of Hazrat Abdul-Mutallib (AS) is enough to tell his true religion.
Wassalam.
I am sorry boss, your info is not correct. Abu talib and abdul muttalib were not idol worshipers. Prophets father's name was Abdullah, named by his grandfather.
how can an idol worshiper name his son , slave of allah
Respected TLK
Fully agreed.
During one of the Ghazwas (probably Ghazwa-e-Uhad), Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) was reciting this famous couplet aloud as a War Cry
"An'a Nabi'o La Kazab, Anabna Abdal Mutallab".
It means, "I am the The True Prophet it is not a lie and I am the son of Abdul Mutallib (AS). Had (ma'az Allah) Hazrat Abdul Mutallib (AS) been an infidal, a true Prophet Like Hazart Muhammad (SAW) would never ever recite this couplet as a war cry.
Wassalam.
Wa’alaykum As-Salam brother
It is not matter of which group you belong to. If an ahle-hadith is trying to prove something then he needs to produce an Islamic evidence to prove what he is saying and same goes for anyone else. It is well known fact that Abou Talib didn’t accept Islam and he died as a kafir. All the historical and other Islamic evidence tell us this. But I don’t understand on which basis do shias or brelvis claim that he was a Muslim. I’m not sure about shias but brelvis conclude same thing about the parents of Prophet but there are sahih ahadith which goes against what they say.
As far concerning Abdul Mutlib, the Qur’anic ayah that someone quoted does not prove that he was not idol worshipper and we all know that they believed in the existence of Allah but they said the idols intercede (act as waseela) for them to reach Allah and Qur’an clearly condemns their claims. I’ve asked some knowledgeable brothers to check on this and insha’Allah will get an answer soon.
btw, do you know the famous incident when Quraysh tried to bribe the Messenger of Allah ? In one of the narrations, it is mentioned it was 'Utba who cames with the offer and he said following: “if you think your grandfather was better than you, you know he worshipped same idols that we worship” and Prophet (peace be upon him) remained silent. I guess, from his silence we can conclude that the grandfather of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) did worship idols; otherwise he would have told him that you are lying or something like that.
Sorry bro, I have never heard of this one before. Could you please provide source of this? Narration, book?
As-Salamu 'Alaykum
I promised that I'll provide the authentic source to prove my point the Abdul Mutlib was among the mushrikeen, meaning he worshiped idols and Abou Talib also died as a mushrik. so here is the evidence:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 442:
Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab from his father: When the time of the death of Abu Talib approached, Allah's Apostle went to him and found Abu Jahl bin Hisham and 'Abdullah bin Abi Umaiya bin Al-Mughira by his side.Allah's Apostle said to Abu Talib, "O uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, a sentence with which I shall be a witness (i.e. argue) for you before Allah. Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Abi Umaiya said, "O Abu Talib! Are you going to denounce the religion of Abdul Muttalib?" Allah's Apostle kept on inviting Abu Talib to say it (i.e. 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah') while they (Abu Jahl and Abdullah) kept on repeating their statement till Abu Talib said as his last statement that he was on the religion of Abdul Muttalib and refused to say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' (Then Allah's Apostle said, "I will keep on asking Allah's forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden (by Allah) to do so." So Allah revealed (the verse) concerning him (i.e. It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe that they should invoke (Allah) for forgiveness for pagans even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are companions of the fire (9.113)
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 223:
Narrated Al-Musaiyab: When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--
"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (9.113)
The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56)
Now, not a single sane suni Muslim can reject these ahadith; they are from Sahih Al-Bukhari!
Re: Hanifs ?
brothers this thread is not about "whether abu talib accepted islam or not"
*its about what exactly did the hanifs believe in and who were these people *
secondly I have a question for bro allahkabanda , said b musayyib[ra] is a wellknown tabi'i and not a sahabi , so did he hear this from a companion as he could not have seen the Prophet[pbuh] ? was his father a companion?