Hamas-Israel ceasefire

The cease fire is due in a few hours, so what has Hamas gained in this affair?

Hamas: Outcome of talks to halt violence could come today - CNN.com

Near the Israel-Gaza border (CNN) – An outcome of talks to halt violence between Israel and militants in Gaza could come as early as Tuesday, a Hamas spokesman said.

“It’s in the hands now of the Israelis,” Osama Hamdan, Hamas spokesman in Beirut, told CNN. After negotiation efforts by Egypt, “It’s in the hands now of the Israelis. I think the Egyptians are waiting for some support, promised support, from the United States in order to make an end for that. So we expect to have an outcome of this issue today as President Morsy has said.”

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy said earlier, “The travesty of the Israel aggression on Gaza will end in a few hours.”

Israel did not immediately confirm any plans to halt military actions, a response to numerous rocket attacks from militants in Gaza that have long plagued Israel.’

Egypt has been working to negotiate a cease-fire to end the seven days of intense righting, but Morsy did not say what his statement was based on.

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The question is what did israel gain from invading gaza and killing innocent children playing football? And then receiving rockets in retaliation and using them as an excuse to kill and maim more children. You apologists for israel should be proud of yourselves; selling yourself as dirt cheap hasbara; that not even the necons buy!

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:( Poor kids, my heart goes out to the people in Gaza. May Allah bless them with security, shelter, and love.

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It is evident that any cease fire will happen on Israeli terms, one should be realistic. The Palestinians are alone in this war, and during the present offensive there seems to be a division even within their ranks. Considering the facts, they need to do an introspection themselves and decide a future strategy.

Btw calling opposing views to yours "Israeli apologists" wont solve the issue.

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This whole crisis seems completely manufactured. On the Israeli side Netanyahu will be in a stronger postion ater inflicting such a "decisive blow" to Hamas. On the other side Egypt i.e the Muslim brotherhood will be seen by its population as peace brokers and supporters of the Palestinians and will be granted more legitimacy at home. Who suffered in all this? The people of course

Remember two sides of a coin, although opposites are nothing without each other.

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It is really sad that this conflict is still not resolved. It is a matter of shame that US and the muslim world is twiddling their thumbs on this issue.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html?hp

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The aggressor has to answer whether the operation was a success or a failure not the Palestinians.

The aim of the latest operation could have been
a) to intimidate Hamas
b) stop the rockets from being fired
c) to isolate Hamas

Therefore Israel has failed to achieve anything. It did not achieve anything when it launched an operation in 2008/2009 for 21 days either. It has not achieved anything now.

So what has Israel gained from this affair? Nothing. Hamas on the otherhand has come out stronger with Egypt, Turkey and Qatar firmly behind it.

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Cease fire reached, Egypt played an important role in achieving that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/world/middleeast/egypt-leader-and-obama-forge-link-in-gaza-deal.html?hp&_r=0

WASHINGTON — President Obama skipped dessert at a long summit meeting dinner in Cambodia on Monday to rush back to his hotel suite. It was after 11:30 p.m., and his mind was on rockets in Gaza rather than Asian diplomacy. He picked up the telephone to call the Egyptian leader who is the new wild card in his Middle East calculations.

**Over the course of the next 25 minutes, he and President Mohamed Morsi of Egypt hashed through ways to end the latest eruption of violence, a conversation that would lead Mr. Obama to send Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to the region. As he and Mr. Morsi talked, Mr. Obama felt they were making a connection. Three hours later, at 2:30 in the morning, they talked again.

The cease-fire brokered between Israel and Hamas on Wednesday was the official unveiling of this unlikely new geopolitical partnership, one with bracing potential if not a fair measure of risk for both men. After a rocky start to their relationship, Mr. Obama has decided to invest heavily in the leader whose election caused concern because of his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, seeing in him an intermediary who might help make progress in the Middle East beyond the current crisis in Gaza.
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The White House phone log tells part of the tale. Mr. Obama talked with Mr. Morsi three times within 24 hours and six times over the course of several days, an unusual amount of one-on-one time for a president. Mr. Obama told aides he was impressed with the Egyptian leader’s pragmatic confidence. He sensed an engineer’s precision with surprisingly little ideology. Most important, Mr. Obama told aides that he considered Mr. Morsi a straight shooter who delivered on what he promised and did not promise what he could not deliver.

**“The thing that appealed to the president was how practical the conversations were — here’s the state of play, here are the issues we’re concerned about,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. “This was somebody focused on solving problems.”
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The Egyptian side was also positive about the collaboration. Essam el-Haddad, the foreign policy adviser to the Egyptian president, described a singular partnership developing between Mr. Morsi, who is the most important international ally for Hamas, and Mr. Obama, who plays essentially the same role for Israel.

“Yes, they were carrying the point of view of the Israeli side but they were understanding also the other side, the Palestinian side,” Mr. Haddad said in Cairo as the cease-fire was being finalized on Wednesday. “We felt there was a high level of sincerity in trying to find a solution. The sincerity and understanding was very helpful.”

The fledgling partnership forged in the fires of the past week may be ephemeral, a unique moment of cooperation born out of necessity and driven by national interests that happened to coincide rather than any deeper meeting of the minds. Some longtime students of the Middle East cautioned against overestimating its meaning, recalling that Mr. Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood constitutes a philosophical brother of Hamas even if it has renounced violence itself and become the governing party in Cairo.

“I would caution the president from believing that President Morsi has in any way distanced himself from his ideological roots,” said Robert Satloff, executive director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “But if the president takes away the lesson that we can affect Egypt’s behavior through the artful use of leverage, that’s a good lesson. You can shape his behavior. You can’t change his ideology.”

Other veterans of Middle East policy agreed with the skepticism yet saw the seeds of what might eventually lead to broader agreement.

“It really is something with the potential to establish a new basis for diplomacy in the region,” said Tamara Cofman Wittes, who was Mr. Obama’s deputy assistant secretary of state for the Middle East until earlier this year and now runs the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution. “It’s just potential, but it’s particularly impressive potential.”

The relationship between the two leaders has come a long way in just 10 weeks. Mr. Morsi’s election in June as the first Islamist president of Egypt set nerves in Washington on edge and raised questions about the future of Egypt’s three-decade-old peace treaty with Israel. Matters worsened in September when Egyptian radicals protesting an anti-Islam video stormed the United States Embassy in Cairo.

Mr. Obama was angry that the Egyptian authorities did not do more to protect the embassy and that Mr. Morsi had not condemned the attack. He called Mr. Morsi to complain vigorously in what some analysts now refer to as the woodshed call. Mr. Morsi responded with more security for the embassy and strong public statements that the attackers “do not represent any of us.”

Washington was again leery when the Gaza conflict broke out last week and Mr. Morsi sent his prime minister to meet with Hamas. But as days passed, Mr. Obama found in his phone calls that Mr. Morsi recognized the danger of an escalating conflict.

During their phone call on Monday night, Mr. Obama broached the idea of sending Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Morsi agreed it would help. The president then called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel to talk through the idea. At 2:30 a.m., having changed out of his suit into sweats, Mr. Obama called Mr. Morsi back to confirm that Mrs. Clinton would come.

After leaving Phnom Penh the next day en route back to Washington, Mr. Obama picked up the phone aboard Air Force One to call Mr. Morsi to say Mrs. Clinton was on the way. By Wednesday, he was on the phone again with Mr. Netanyahu urging him to accept the cease-fire and then with Mr. Morsi, congratulating him.

“From Day 1, we had contacts with both sides,” said Mr. Haddad, but the United States stepped in “whenever there was a point at which there would be a need for further encouragement and a push to get it across.” Mr. Haddad said the United States played an important role “trying to send clear signals to the Israeli side that there should not be a waste of time and an agreement must be reached.”

“They have really been very helpful in pushing the Israeli side,” he said.
In pushing Hamas, Mr. Morsi came under crosscurrents of his own. On one side, advisers acknowledged, he felt the pressure of the Egyptian electorate’s strong support for the Palestinian cause and antipathy toward Israel as well as his own personal and ideological ties to the Islamists in Hamas. But on the other side, advisers said, Mr. Morsi had committed to the cause of regional stability, even if it meant disappointing his public.

Analysts further noted that Mr. Morsi needed the United States as he secures a $4.8 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund at a time of economic trouble. “There’s no way Egypt is going to have any kind of economic recovery without Washington,” said Khaled Elgindy, an adviser to the Palestinian negotiators during the last decade.

As for Mr. Obama, his aides said they were willing to live with some of Mr. Morsi’s more populist talk as long as he proves constructive on the substance. “The way we’ve been able to work with Morsi,” said one official, “indicates we could be a partner on a broader set of issues going forward.”

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Surprising thing is that Egypt, after quite a while has promised to open its borders that it had blocked for Gaza since a while.

Hopefully some day we will see Israel lifting blockade too.

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israels lifespan is shortening by the day this puny little state is so small it would take a turkish f16 fighter plane less than 10 minutes to fly from one end of this illegal state to the other.

the arab israeli wars in 50's, 60's which were all stage managed manoeuvrings, in a real war with a state such as turkey, israel would be crushed.

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certainly not mentioned by CNN and NYTIMES :hehe:

Israel only agreed to cease fire after the US agreed to increase defense aid and provide funding for Israel’s new Iron Dome, $70 million

Israel-Gaza Ceasefire Comes with Pledge from Obama to Seek More Defense Aid for Israel | The Dissenter
Obama praises Israeli PM Netanyahu for accepting Egyptian ceasefire plan | World news | guardian.co.uk

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Calm Sense Of Impending Violence Returns To Middle East As Ceasefire Brokered | The Onion - America’s Finest News Source

GAZA CITY—Following today’s announcement of an official ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, putting an end to eight straight days of widespread violence along the Gaza Strip, sources confirmed that the region has now finally returned to a calm, tranquil sense of imminent violence. “Thank goodness we can all go back to our quiet, normal lives in which the prospect of widespread bloodshed constantly looms over us every second of every day,” said Gaza resident Tamer Bisharat, 42, echoing the sentiments of millions of Israelis and Palestinians glad to return to a state of unbearably tense normalcy. “It’s just nice to know that I can safely go outside again, knowing that all is peaceful, still, and constantly on the verge of erupting into sudden, full-scale warfare at any given time.” At press time, relieved residents of Israel and Gaza were planning to spend the rest of the week unwinding, relaxing with their families, and imagining over and over being killed in an exploding bus.

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Doesn’t he know it’s sunnah to have something sweet after din din?

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Israeli brutality is well-documented and there for everyone to see but I would blame the stupid Hamas government in Palestine equally for the violence which resulted in the deaths of almost 160 innocent civilians, many of them children. 5 Israelis also died in the latest episode of violence.

When you know that Israeli aggression almost invariably exceeds the initial provocation **(let's call a spade a spade. Firing rockets indiscriminately at civilian populations is plain wrong and criminal. Our religion does not allow this) **and esp. when you know that you lack the firepower to strike back effectively, then why take such panga with them from time to time.

Israel is a reality. All we can expect from them is that they maintain the sanctity of Al Aqsa Mosque and treat pilgrims to the holy place with kindness and respect (I know it's a big ask!!). Those praying for Israel's destruction are living in a fool's paradise

itna pidda sa mulk hai Israel. Aakhir Jews ney bhi kahin tau rehna hai...

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This.