Halloween and other occasions

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ok honestly, some of the replies surprise me ! We are so judgemental. We being Pakistanis residing in Pak keep questioning expats over multiculturism and look down on them for letting their kids dress up and go trick or treating, yet who would like to actually criticise the fact that Halloween parties have become such an ‘in’ thing in Pakistan too. What for??

Yesterday ironically, I get a call from a friend who went to a huge, lavish halloween bash thrown at the residence of Governor of Punjab (Latif Khosa) …while millions of Pakistanis are deprived of food , shelter or are being killed in Karachi or in drone attacks? :rolleyes:

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taking down notes

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@ 1:10 look at school ki pricipal :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

“Hum ayat ul kursi issi liya parhtay hain”

Reminds me of “kawa chala hans ki chaal, apni bhi bhool gya”.

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LOL hareem .. this was really funny !

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HAHAHHAHAHAHA

The principle was hilarious :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Hehe...I know right. I love YouTube.

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My little daughter dresses up and goes around our cul de sac with the neighbour's kids and has fun collecting all the sweets. My sons, who are older have lost all interest in trick or treating and were quite oblivious to it this year. For me, it is just an occasion where little children get to dress up and get the rare opportunity of interacting with the neighbours. Can someone tell me, on what level is that wrong?

I'm sure none of my neighbours celebrate Halloween as a religious festival nor do they care about its origins in paganism.

I can't tell my children to not take part in something just because it is not from my ancestor's culture, and yes thats what Halloween to me is: just a non religious cultural occasion now, never mind its origins.

My duty as a muslim parent is to tell my kids , that as a muslim I'm prohibited from taking part in anything immoral, unethical and anything that compromises my faith. Children dressing up on haloween does not fit that criteria as far as I am concerned. If being a dutiful muslim is what this is all about, then please like me ban your kids from going to some of the Pakistani weddings i.e Mehndis, where crass and vulgar bollywood music and gyrating hips are the norm!

Anyway why are we so adamant on teaching our children all the perceived dont's, dont's and more dont's of Islam, ALL the time? It creates fear of our religion and raises unnecessary questions in the childs mind. Just saying 'because we are muslims!' is simply not good enough. Children these days are very inquisitive and very intelligent. It is our duty as muslim parents to be truthful to our children and only teach them what the quran says. Letting your children celebrate haloween is a personl choice, which I respect, but please don't make it into an Islamic issue, because it is not.

There are more do's than dont's in our religion, but the emphasis is almost always on what we must NOT do. Why do we feel compelled to instill this *mentality into our children, that we muslims are superior and these 'unislamic rituals' are beneath us? Islam tells us to be tolerant and humble. It does not promote isolationism and holier than thou attitudes. This 'us versus them' approach was never encouraged by the prophet pbuh either.

If our prophet pbuh and his companions had had this isolationist thinking I doubt if Islam would have spread the way it did. If you don't assimilate to a certain degree, how do you get to know people, and how do they get to know you? And if they don't get to know you, how do you fulfill the 'fard' of spreading your Deen??

Allah swt has made absolutely clear what is haraam for us and the rest He has left to our own 'Aql'. And by the way, how many muslims who forcefully stop their kids from taking part in haloween actually force themselves and their kids to do namaz 5 times a day? There is a reason why we have 5 very important pillars and not 5000!

We need to stop making our beautiful deen over complicated. Surely Islam is a guide from Allah swt which tells us how to live our life in this world, how to be a good human being and how to lead a meaningful life. And at the end of it all , everyone will have to explain to Allah swt how we achieved it. I am sure that on judgement day Allah swt won't judge me on whether I attended a cultural event in a fancy dress up costume or not...

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I do not know if you hop around different cultural activities with many different backgrounds and reasons.

But my post is directed to someone who does act upon many different cultures and activities.

This person does lose ANY set cultural activity and actually eventually gets assimilated to many different cultural acts.
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Now, being assimilated should not be taken as a bad act. Everyone has a right to do so.**


Only problem (not so serious) here is that someone hopping around many different cultural activities but adamant on proving to belong to ONE unique culture.

No you are not if hopping from one to other.

I think this is called denial behavior.

Denial in the sense when a person does many different acts just for the fun ...............but tries to come back to the root of his/her ancestor to not feel guilty about it.

Hope you got the point of ambivalent behavior like Ms Freudian showed above.

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I think it would be unfair for not acknowledging vigilant work by partyslims here.
Keep up the good work buddy! :)

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Ms. Freudian

Just one comment - Gold is going down!!

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There are so many flaws and misconceptions in your post that it will take few more posts I am afraid to discuss.

Basically you have shown very confused mind and have touched different issues at the same time.

**In essence you seem to be one of those confused or ambivalent class of people **who want to mingle with the society where your children are but have some knowledge enough to think this may not be the right thing to do and due to your confusion, you are letting your kids do these activites and to satisfy or pacify your confusion,....... you are bringing excuses.

In my humble opinion:** You need to quit the confusing or opposing thoughts about what it means to dress up for a child.**

If you do not think it is paganism, then no need to keep that in the back of your mind. I know that would be hard to do so since you do know it.

*We both know Halloween cannot be separated from paganism, or related weird ideas, no matter how anyone can try.

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If someone says he/she is observing Halloween without this concept then that person may be Ok.

But when YOU admit what is the origin of this act then YOU are responsible and YOU are the one who is letting YOUR children following paganism.

Like few others you used mehndi as an excuse to follow Halloween. Fine.

This still does not prove Halloween activity is right for a whole lot of people who observe mehndi, since mehndi by itself does not involve ANY religious or anti religious doctrine, but ...........Halloween does.

Got it? :)

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Z plot thickens.