Good thing I do not live there.
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Dafuq 
Time to stock up.
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You’re in the UK no? I wonder how Muslims there will react. Oh and the Jews too.
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Jews will react angrily so if they lift the ban then Muslims will be a beneficiary as well. 
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You're in the UK no? I wonder how Muslims there will react. Oh and the Jews too.
well, goray people will praise it but others will label it as islamophobia.
All Muslims need to do is to agree to stun the animal before slaughtering. It's a wrong assumption that animal needs to be conscious during slaughtering. In almost whole north America, cows are stunned before slaughtering.
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All Muslims need to do is to agree to stun the animal before slaughtering. It's a wrong assumption that animal needs to be conscious during slaughtering. In almost whole north America, cows are stunned before slaughtering.
Bro ...Stunned animals are half dead ...
Imagine stunning a cow and not slaughtering it? Could it get back up and be a normal cow? If no ... Then they are slaughtering maimed animals ... And that is not allowed. Animals must be tayib to be slaughtered ... We can't even sacrifice maltreated animals let alone those who are half dead or given an induced stroke.
I would recommend eating halal Beef from those 'almost not whole North American' areas where they allow proper slaughter to take place.
Ok, let me ask you brother psyah, what is the ruling of animals catch through hunting? You shoot a dear, he runs away, you find him almost dead half a mile away, you take out your knife and do bismillah.
Same when your hunting dog catches the geese that you shot at and bring it back to you in his mouth.
What is the difference between that scenario and stunning the animal?
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Ok, let me ask you brother psyah, what is the ruling of animals catch through hunting? You shoot a dear, he runs away, you find him almost dead half a mile away, you take out your knife and do bismillah. Same when your hunting dog catches the geese that you shot at and bring it back to you in his mouth. What is the difference between that scenario and stunning the animal?
The animal is different and the specific ruling is for the specific case ... General rulings apply where specifics have not been given ... Game is specific and the method must be in scripture to be followed.
the Bismillah should be done at the point of shooting ... Or setting off the hunting animal.
I believe things like halal income and sustenance are essential for making purer human beings ... These have traditionally been very strictly followed also. If we use logic then slaughtering with an animal tooth is allowed since we have hunting animals, but it is not allowed.
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The animal is different and the specific ruling is for the specific case ...
Good. So now the specific case in discussion is that either we slaughter a stunned animal (because of the law of the land), or eat non-halal meat (or no meat at all). Pretty easy to chose, no?
Same way Ulema improvised the hunting ruling because now we use guns and not bow and arrows (as sahaba did), slaughter ruling can be improvised too.
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I have read that cutting the animal's jugular vein is less painful for it than electrocution. Perhaps the degree of pain the animal suffers varies from one method of sacrifice (gun, electrocution, using a knife) to the next.
We are hurting the animal no matter how we kill it. The stun technique that I am told about is the one where you fire a palette of some kind at the forehead that sends the animal to quick unconsciousness. After that you can slaughter.
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The new law is unfortunate. Yikes....the cold laws and attitudes in some of these frigid-weather nations. The Muslims and Jews will have to improvise.
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It is true that stunned animals are generally not considered to be 100% halal (or w/e you want to call it) but according to the Ahle sunnat-wal jamat general meeting in '89, they ulemas concluded that due to the different laws of foreign lands, you can eat the meat of the stunned animal providing you followed all the other slaughtering ways. Because all the ulemas have unanimously agreed on this, it can't really be challenged because there is no specifics about it in hadiths or quran.
Actually Danish imams already agreed to this practice. The animal is killed humanely, which is the point.
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Just look at ways people say are the easiest and least painful or commit suicide ... How many of them decide to shot their brains out or electrocute themselves?
They actually favour slitting the wrists and sitting in a hot tub ...
The spasms of the animal is due to bleeding out and not due to pain ... Shocking or stunning an animal is more inhumane ... These people want us to intoxicate ourselves with haram income, haram consumption and sell it as humane ... Muslims in America should take a stand as American Muslims and fight for their right as Muslims to get the law for slaughtering on their side rather than rolling over and accepting the 'law of the land' ... This law can be changed because the law is bogus ... You need to take a stand rather than accept it ... This sort of law can be influenced given the right pressure groups are in place. But the sooner we relax allowing incorrect interpretations to influence our faith then they will push right up and expect us to follow.
It is better to avoid meat if only haram is available, fish can be eaten, eggs, milk cheese and nuts, mushrooms, soya and legumes for a good protein source ... Fight for the right to slaughter your own chickens and then things like beef and lamb can be avoided altogether. Some Muslims ought to invest in community farms and do their own private slaughters ... Most laws governing slaughter only extend to public use or meat that is intended to be sold ... There are ways to get what we need but we need to try to get them.
Suicide example is not the right analogy because of two reasons.
You're not slitting the windpipe.
You're slitting your own wrist so your mind is in sync with the consequences.
I heard from some of the master bbq chefs that slaughtering tenses up the animal, hence the meat is always tough. Stunning does not give animal brain enough time to process the info so meat is soft. That not only makes sense but clears the myth that slaughtering is more humane.
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Suicide example is not the right analogy because of two reasons.
You're not slitting the windpipe. You're slitting your own wrist so your mind is in sync with the consequences.
I heard from some of the master bbq chefs that slaughtering tenses up the animal, hence the meat is always tough. Stunning does not give animal brain enough time to process the info so meat is soft. That not only makes sense but clears the myth that slaughtering is more humane.
Slaughtering is more humane ... Because it was done and sanctioned by the most humane person who will ever live (SAW) ... It was the way the father chose to take the life of his son ... Peace be upon them both ... Pain is connected to the nerves ... The windpipe cut or not is not damaging any extra nerves ... A slit on the throat severs the least nerves ... The animal can be put to ease at slaughter too. Whether meat is tender or not is not the criterion of humane slaughter.
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Personally I don't get the whole point of goras having a problem with the way we slaughter the animals at the end of the day unless they are vegetarian and they don't eat meat they are still killing animals which ever way. So I don't get how they can point fingers at us LOL what a joke. At the end of the day it will still hurt and kill the animal.
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Interesting article from Al Jazeera. They interviewed a Danish imam who states that this does not make a big difference as several years ago, a local fatwa clarified that stunned animals are still halal. So the Danish halal industry will continue after this law the same way that it operated before the law.
Danish ‘halal law’ changes nothing says imam - Europe - Al Jazeera English