Re: Halal and Haram - An alternative juridical view
Eating of Human meat is haraam, does it make a human filthy?
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Signs of Qiyama! People have been saying and hearing about them since first century hijra! The thought Qiyama was within their life times! 1400 years lapsed! No Qiyama!
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I am not aware of any Quranic verses saying anything other than that but in the Hanafi school we consider any part of the pig to be najis.
My point on the mention of a dead animal, how else would you get the skin, doesn't matter which animal.
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[surah 2 verse 173] He has only forbidden you what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring, nor exceeding the limit, no sin shall be upon him; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[Surah 5, Verse 3]:
Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
[surah 6 verse 145] Say: I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) Allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
[surah 16 verse 115] He has only forbidden you what dies of itself and blood and flesh of swine and that over which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Each verse only refers to the flesh and/or blood of swine (pig). The skin, the bones the cartilage etc are not stated - whereas they could have been.
The blood of all animals is not permissable (aka haram), therefore no distiction between a pig and other animals. The flesh of pig on the other hand has issues with bacteria and worms etc. which makes it impermissable.
I was told by one of my Jewish friends that the ban on eating pig came to the Jews after spreading of swine fever amongst their communities. seems quite plausible .. and the issue with swine fever hasn't gone..
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Bulgaria reports a second outbreak of swine fever
March 9, 2006
Agence France Presse
SOFIA - Bulgarian national veterinary service director Zheko Baychev was cited as telling AFP Thursday that Bulgeria had discovered a second outbreak of swine fever in the south-east of the country and slaughtered some 56 pigs to prevent the spread of the disease, adding, "There is indeed a second outbreak of swine fever in a pig farm in the south-eastern town of Elhovo. Fifty-six animals have been slaughtered."
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To be on the safe side, most of the muslims normally take a wide berth of the whole issue.
Re: Halal and Haram - An alternative juridical view
Which when not put in the proper context becomes a religious war. Declaring something haram is not the same as recommending to stay away from it for reasons of medical health. Declaring something haram means you would be sinning if you indulge in that. The consequences of each term differs considerably.
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The pig is declared unclean in the Quran. Doesn't really tell you other parts of the animal are unclean but majority of scholars have declared every part of the pig to be unclean based on their research* which all of us here got together and started we would not be even close to them.
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Let me help you get your facts straight. It is not declared unclean in Quran but it is forbidden to eat the flesh of swine in Quran. No reasons are quoted.
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**for that surely is unclean
**I see it..do you?
Again it's a fiqh issue, all of us agree that eating the pig is haram, we have difference of opinion on the skin and other parts of the pig.
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I see it..do you?
Again it's a fiqh issue, all of us agree that eating the pig is haram, we have difference of opinion on the skin and other parts of the pig.
There you go that is the kind of extrapolation that has marred our religion. Haram does not mean unclean. Eating dead animals is haram. Does that mean dead animals are unclean? If it did and that was the reason for it being haram than why are the dead fish of the sea not unclean and not haram.
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Bro, I am not an Alim. I am just a layman.
Allah clearly mentions that the flesh of the pig is unclean. The scholars have done their research and came to the conclusion that the whole pig is unclean. without a doubt you too can say that the pig is unclean
Why did you mix up the dead animals to the unclean statement. I never did. If I did please point it out and I am sorry.
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Please quote a reference from the Quran or ahadith to justify this statement. It states it is forbidden or haram. No mention of unclean or najis.
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- 006.145 * YUSUFALI: Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah's". But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. PICKTHAL: Say: I find not in that which is revealed unto me aught prohibited to an eater that he eat thereof, except it be carrion, or blood poured forth, or swineflesh - for that verily is foul - or the abomination which was immolated to the name of other than Allah. But whoso is compelled (thereto), neither craving nor transgressing, (for him) lo! thy Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. SHAKIR: Say: I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) Allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Thank you. I stand corrected. Rijs and Najis mean the same thing then. However I am still not convinced because it is specifically talking about eating such flesh.
Re: Halal and Haram - An alternative juridical view
the translations still mention only flesh of the swine... and the reason for that is the problems associated with the flesh itself... i.e. possibility of swine fever.
There is no mention within Quran that any other part of the swine is not permissable.
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Assalam O Alaikum All
Can any one Post list of Halal and Haram from Different country like Europe, USA & Canada etc etc.
Thanks in advance.
Re: Halal and Haram - An alternative juridical view
No matter what changing has been made to a Haram thing is Haram.
If main source is Haram it means it Haram.
Haram is not allowed.
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to be eaten, but i guess ppl have problems and consider using pigskin haram also, i mean one can have personal dislikes and all but u cant say that is haram, whats next pics of pigs are haram i books, saying the word pig is haram, typing it is haram., u hafat wash yer hands 7 times after typing it type of stuff.
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Bismillahir Rehmanir Raheem
Assalam O Alaikum all
Once a Haram is Always Haram and every thing is Haram.
Washing my hands 3*7. Now my hands become halal. Jazak Allah Khair.
For your information in Quran khinzeer has been used and I don't think using word khinzir or pig is haram.
Using anything of Pig is Haram as far as I know. Talking about haram thing as haram is not haram at all.
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heera,
restating the same thing doesn't make it a point.
As I had posted the translation - quran says the flesh and blood of swine (aka Khinzeer) is haram .. there is no mention of anything else. If Allah in his wisdom did not say that everything from the pig is haram, what makes you say it.
Allah (via Quran) has stated quite categorically that we must not make what it halal into what is haram... that is why this topic is unclear. to be cautious we don't use anything from a pig - but that doesn't mean that it is haram .... and anyone saying that is indicating their understanding of the words - but they are not god nor a prophet .. therefore it is quite ambiguous.
Re: Halal and Haram - An alternative juridical view
As I had posted the translation - quran says the flesh and blood of swine (aka Khinzeer) is haram .. there is no mention of anything else. If Allah in his wisdom did not say that everything from the pig is haram, what makes you say it.
Allah (via Quran) has stated quite categorically that we must not make what it halal into what is haram... that is why this topic is unclear. to be cautious we don't use anything from a pig - but that doesn't mean that it is haram .... and anyone saying that is indicating their understanding of the words - but they are not god nor a prophet .. therefore it is quite ambiguous.
Sorry Zero I just read 1st post and posted what I thought and knew. Cause I'm knew I need lots of time to read all the posts. I just wanted post as many as I can to be able to start new topics.
As my quran and your quran is same so two or more ppl can say the same thing.