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come on fraudz, are you comparing food, drink and physical activity, with a pagan festival. I probably too had a pizza,that night does'nt mean I'm celebrating hallows eve.
I have three young children (all under 6 yrs) and when they spoke of halloween, I explained it was not correct to follow such festivals, why I do that because today I let them participate in such, tommorrow they're more likely to deviate further away from islam. similarly I tell them the tooth fairy is just a myth, father xmas, the easter bunny, ghosts and spirits of dead people do'nt exist, etc etc.
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Let them dream for god's sake, as long as they are kids. Why you want them to know all the "truth" right now? They will understand on their own as they grow up.
Tofibaba is so right. You are killing the growth of their imagination.
^^ You are right - I said the above for some kind of shock effect, but with some reason.
I’m just coming from purely Islamic perspective, as parents we need to teach our children the basic fundamentals of Islam. Islam and other religious/pagan festivals don’t fit in. We should have the confidence and self belief to explain to our children as to why we can not or do not celebrate these festivals.
I have let my children observe others enjoying their festivals but have never allowed them to participate in any of the festivals and I don’t see any negative effect on them. They inter act very confidently with their non-Muslim friends on equal basis.
A child's formative years are most important as the child is really an "open slate." What the parents inscribe on that slate is what will be reflected in the child's later years. It is stated in a Hadith of Rasool Allah (sallalaahu alayhi wassallam),
"What is learned in childhood is like something engraved on a stone."
Imam Ghazali (ra) states that the stone may break up but the engraving will not be obliterated.
In my opinion if we let our children enjoy and participate in the festivals of others we are somehow diluting their faith in Islam. As Muslims they should know that Islam is the only way and no other.
All these activities are a pure imitation of the kuffar lifestyles. None of these activities featured in the life of any Sahabaa (RA) and they definitely are not the teachings of Rasool Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wassallam). (They too had non-Muslims among them but never did they participate in their festivals.) These activities are of no value at all. They do not add value to the life of the Muslim. Nor will these activities benefit a Muslim in this world or the hereafter.
Opps, I have probably raised the ire of some parents by saying these activities will not benefit a Muslim in this world. I can just hear the mutterings –“There is no harm in letting them learn this or that. When they grow up they take life more seriously and do what is necessary."
What I fear is that next generation of Muslims will see no harm in sending their young or not so young daughters as cheer leaders in local games.
What I fear is that next generation of Muslims will see no harm in sending their young or not so young daughters as cheer leaders in local games.
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I doubt those days are any far. Look at this thread and their prespective. You dont have to go too far to see where the thinking of Us muslims is going.
I'd have to agree with some of the points being made here. I personally wouldn't mind my kids celebrating Halloween, but there are many ways to celebrate Halloween than to go trick or treating, which I think is pretty stupid. I love the Halloween season, and I love celebrating it, but I would try to keep my kids from going out trick or treating partly for religious reasons, and partly for safety reasons.
Fret, im a bit confused. You dont mind celebrating Halloween and wont mind if your kids celebrated it. But you dont like the idea of trick or treating for your kids partly because of Islamic reason yeh? Im just curious how do you celebrate halloween and how do you want yoour kids to celebrate it?
Let them dream for god's sake, as long as they are kids. Why you want them to know all the "truth" right now? They will understand on their own as they grow up.
Tofibaba is so right. You are killing the growth of their imagination.
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their a 1001 ways my kids imagination and dreams are kept alive and my kids are quite healthy mentally and physically, letting them participate in a pagan festival is more harmful then good.
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Fret, im a bit confused. You dont mind celebrating Halloween and wont mind if your kids celebrated it. But you dont like the idea of trick or treating for your kids partly because of Islamic reason yeh? Im just curious how do you celebrate halloween and how do you want yoour kids to celebrate it?
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There are other ways to celebrate Halloween, than to go Trick or Treating. Throw a Halloween party or attend one, watch horror movies, go to the many horror events happening in town for kids. I don't want my kids begging for candy each year. If they want candy, I'd be glad to get it for them.
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come on fraudz, are you comparing food, drink and physical activity, with a pagan festival. I probably too had a pizza,that night does'nt mean I'm celebrating hallows eve.
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AK47
the point is that the community is doing something out of the ordinary on a regular basis on Oct 31st. so the community is observing that day in a diff way but is still making it a community day.
I personally dont have a problem with it, but try to have an Urs and people would be all over you with bidaat this and bidaat that. Know what I mean?
Nobody can deny the fact that rituals of Muslim’s hajj today were existed well before the arrival of Islam.
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You not being a Muslim your ignorance of Hajj rituals is excused. All the rituals of Hajj are in accordance with rituals performed by Hazrat Ibraheem (alayhe Salaam) and his wife Lady Hajar. Below I have quoted a few verses of Holy Quran. Please read them so that you may understand better.
"Say: Allah speaketh the truth. So follow the religion of Ibraheem, the upright. He was not of the idolaters. Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for Mankind was that at Becca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples; Wherein are plain memorials (of Allah's guidance); the place where Ibraheem stood up to Pray; and whosoever entereth it, is safe. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty unto Allah for Mankind, for him who disbelieveth, (let him know that). Lo! Allah is independent of (all) creatures." 3: 95-96.
"When his Lord said to him (Ibraheem), Be a Muslim, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds." 2:131
"And the same did Ibraheem enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! Surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims." 2:132
"Ibraheem was not a Jew or a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists. Most surely the nearest of people to Ibraheem are those who followed him and this Prophet and those who believe and Allah is the guardian of the believers." 3:67-8
“And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Ibraheem (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture) that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper! “ 22:78
You not being a Muslim your ignorance of Hajj rituals is excused. All the rituals of Hajj are in accordance with rituals performed by Hazrat Ibraheem (alayhe Salaam) and his wife Lady Hajar. Below I have quoted a few verses of Holy Quran. Please read them so that you may understand better.
"Say: Allah speaketh the truth. So follow the religion of Ibraheem, the upright. He was not of the idolaters. Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for Mankind was that at Becca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples; Wherein are plain memorials (of Allah's guidance); the place where Ibraheem stood up to Pray; and whosoever entereth it, is safe. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty unto Allah for Mankind, for him who disbelieveth, (let him know that). Lo! Allah is independent of (all) creatures." 3: 95-96.
"When his Lord said to him (Ibraheem), Be a Muslim, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds." 2:131
"And the same did Ibraheem enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! Surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims." 2:132
"Ibraheem was not a Jew or a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists. Most surely the nearest of people to Ibraheem are those who followed him and this Prophet and those who believe and Allah is the guardian of the believers." 3:67-8
“And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Ibraheem (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture) that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper! “ 22:78
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i agree thats way you have to look theologicaly but i look in historical
development of religens and their origins.
People, people. Islam is our religion (mine is modified though) and we all like to live like muslims, but why can't we let our minds open up a little. There are medical researches about the human phsychi, historical analysis and trends. Be a human first, see how there were humans before there were religions. I know, i know that Islam supersedes it all, but u still can't ignore some areas of the sciences (yeah, flame me with darwin and all).
There are other ways to celebrate Halloween, than to go Trick or Treating. Throw a Halloween party or attend one, watch horror movies, go to the many horror events happening in town for kids. I don't want my kids begging for candy each year. If they want candy, I'd be glad to get it for them.
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Fret, so attending halloween parties is in accordance with what Islam stands for but kids going trick or treating isn't Islamic? hmmm.. Fret, u don't like the trick or treating part because of ...? Is it something religious or just that you are stingy when it comes to handing out candies to the kids?