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Marvi Sirmed as I know is always a badass but a perfect matchup for this ridiculous molvi. These so-called clerics are responsible for every worse thing that muslims are going through these days. They should be treated the same way as Marvi sirmed treated her here.
Also its proven that these stupid molvis cant hear any single word against there any consent. They just have no tolerance for anybody and thats wut they preach as well
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What is the problem in listening opposite point of view?
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The problem is these idiot molvis get upset - especially if the opposing view is a woman's.
The biggest munafiq I have seen are these televangelists who brainwash the masses into thinking they are God.
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well that human rights activist has no respect for anything but herself.
in another Iftar program she didn't even bother dressing appropriately (skin showing) through her sari in Amir Liaqat's program.
What do u expect from a hindu anyway?
she's lucky she doesn't have the mob after her after all that. Perhaps move to india would be better for her
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^Let me tell you about hindus
In the west, where we live, hindus are causing so many problems. They keep on blowing up people while shouting hare krishna hare raam, then they justify their acts of terrorism by quoting their own holy texts. Then you have some other hindus claiming that the ones who commited acts of violence interpreted the text all wrong, despite the text being revealed by an all-knowing deity.
You'd think such a deity would acknowledge the communication problems he has had with the hindus, revise and fix the text, but nope, he just lets the charade continue in his name. All the while saying that those who don't follow his text will never succeed. Strange thing is non-hindu world is succeeding better than the hindu world. Some hindus even claim that the western nations are following hinduism more closely than the hindu ones, despite the non-hindu ones never utilizing the holy texts of hinduism even once.
Also if you decide to leave hinduism, the penatly according to majority of hindus and pandits is that you be put to death. It's a strange cultish mentatliy. But of course many other hindus will claim that the majority have gotten the words of the all-knowing deity all wrong. All-knowing one should have done the hindus a favour and state his business in clear cut words, so they wouldn't cause so many problems for themselves, but alas, here we are.
Re: Hafiz Hamdullah vs Marvi Sarmad...cat fight.
well that human rights activist has no respect for anything but herself. in another Iftar program she didn't even bother dressing appropriately (skin showing) through her sari in Amir Liaqat's program. What do u expect from a hindu anyway?
she's lucky she doesn't have the mob after her after all that. Perhaps move to india would be better for her
Marvi Sarmad is a Hindu? Thats a news to me, unless there was some fatwa by rascal mullas to declare her non-Muslim.
BTW, not all Hindus are for skin show. They follow same dress codes as any other religions of sub-continent.
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^Let me tell you about hindus
In the west, where we live, hindus are causing so many problems. They keep on blowing up people while shouting hare krishna hare raam, then they justify their acts of terrorism by quoting their own holy texts. Then you have some other hindus claiming that the ones who commited acts of violence interpreted the text all wrong, despite the text being revealed by an all-knowing deity.
You'd think such a deity would acknowledge the communication problems he has had with the hindus, revise and fix the text, but nope, he just lets the charade continue in his name. All the while saying that those who don't follow his text will never succeed. Strange thing is non-hindu world is succeeding better than the hindu world. Some hindus even claim that the western nations are following hinduism more closely than the hindu ones, despite the non-hindu ones never utilizing the holy texts of hinduism even once.
Also if you decide to leave hinduism, the penatly according to majority of hindus and pandits is that you be put to death. It's a strange cultish mentatliy. But of course many other hindus will claim that the majority have gotten the words of the all-knowing deity all wrong. All-knowing one should have done the hindus a favour and state his business in clear cut words, so they wouldn't cause so many problems for themselves, but alas, here we are.
This post is deja-vu. just replace word Hindu with Muslim and you will find no difference.
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The most disgusting part of such clashes is religious parties and right wingers never condemn such acts in absolute terms. There is no action taken / demanded against such molvis either by their own parties or other religious groups. They keep on justifying such acts either keeping silence or bringing the behavior of other party as provoking factor.
Its irony that our religion is hoatge in hands of those who does not know abc of preaching:
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@muqawwee123 dude Iqbal Ali is trolling and really? You agree with all that about us? Ugh this constant self blame is so tiring. There is a fine line between criticism and putting down 1 billion people out of hatred which Iqbal Ali clearly posseses.
Khair, back to the topic. This Molvi is disgusting.
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Learn to distinguish between ideology and people. If there are problems with an ideology, you fix those, rather than playing the victim, or trying to whitewash the ideology. Perhaps you need to read my previous post again, it was directed at an all-knowing deity who creates problems for his believers and others, because his communication skills aren't up to par. Instead of equating that to hating 1 billion people or whatever, better to fix problematic elements of an ideology, instead of conducting mental gymnastics in attempts to whitewash.
Priority should be to fix problems, not to keep ideologies stain free. Ideology is not more important than people suffering because of that ideology.
The debacle in OP started because of CII. What if hit/strike had been omitted completely from 4:34, what's the pros and cons?
Pros
- Can not use 4:34 to justify domestic violence
Cons
- Do you see any?
Why the need for explicit permission to hit, under this or that circumstance? If a perfect guidance can be improved, and heaven knows one that is constantly being "misinterpreted" can be improved, then it is not perfect, but rather quite flawed. Until 4:34 is recognized as flawed, people will keep on using it to justify domestic violence. Once you call out the flaw, and say this guidance needs to be revised, you can actually accomplish something.
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There is absolutely no place in Islam for things like burning girls, or burying them. Islam came to eradicate all of these barbaric practices which were practiced by the polytheists. There is an urgent need for education on what Islam is about, how to live according to it, and most importantly of all there is a major need to highlight the Life of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) because he is an example, and a role model for Muslims because he encompasses the best of characters. Nowhere in the Seerah of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have I read of any incidents where the mothers of believers reported any cruel punishment, or physical torture or abuse within the households.
Our scholars, especially from the sub-continent because that's relevant here need re-education because unfortunately, there are many instances where Islam is misused to further personal and political agendas, as well as exaggerating practices. There are so many practices which are so easily incorporated and presented to be compulsory as if they were a part of Islam, when infact there are not. If anything so many social practices have never been a part of Islam. We ourselves are wrong, and corrupt because we like to keep both doors open as a matter of convenience. When we find that Islam prohibits something, we use the tradition as the shield to carry out the act.
The blame is on the entire society as a whole, and for those of us who choose to target just the clergy are being biased and one-sided because clergy may be a part of the problem, but the problem encompasses other parts which as a whole present itself as the disaster we're facing in the shape of intolerance, lack of character regardless of gender, and at the top of the social pyramid sit the elites of the society who couldn't be trusted with a grape seed, let alone welfare of millions.
For those of us who feel that Quran or holy scripture needs to be "revised", are other extreme of the spectrum. Quran was perfected in its' revelation, and the form in which it was concluded remains the sole source of spiritual guidance for the believing. If someone does not want to believe, that's their business, and they themselves are held responsible.
Where some of religious zealots in our society err is that each person feels like they are the judge and jury and turn to harming others. That's not at all tolerable. There is a system of justice present in every society(though extremely slow, flawed, corrupt, etc. whatever your view of it may be), and legally only law enforcement has been given the authority to investigate, detain, and present people before the judge, who then according to sound arguments within legal framework makes the judgement which is carried out.
The bottom line as I see it is that in the past few years and times we're living in now, people tend to take up the role that they're not assigned. I'm myself guilty of that in so many ways, and often have to step back and re-evaluate myself. We all err, and we're all susceptible to act on our emotions, but for us to use Islam to justify our actions driven by emotions, and for others to blame the religion or scripture for our emotionally, personally driven actions, are both unfair and skewed. The truth is we neither learn our religion from sources of guidance, nor do we practice it. Though we like to take claim for all the good that is Islam, but we often forget that others see us as representatives of our faith and our actions unfortunately end up defining our faith to those who are not learned, or well versed in what Islam really is.
There could not be enough emphasis on education. Education and knowledge is a must for everyone.
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Iqbal, thank you for your advice, I will go fix it. But before jumping onto another topic, I was referring to this, "In the west, where we live, hindus are causing so many problems. They keep on blowing up people while shouting hare krishna hare raam, then they justify their acts of terrorism by quoting their own holy texts." Due to this, I do not take you seriously so carry on.
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I think the poison of intolerance has drilled us deep down to the core.
For example when i read that PEMRA has banned Hamza Ali Abbasi from hosting Ramadhan transmission I was like good riddance cuz for some reason I just cant stand this guy. But when I read the detail, I found that its not his fault to be banned. He just raised a valid question but once again its considered a blasphemy and PEMRA shut him down while rest of the mullahs who spread the hatred all around are still out there.
Pemra bans Hamza Ali Abbasi from hosting Ramazan show - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
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And then we have these type of molvis as well.. Full of lies and self-developed stories on the name of Prophet and his associates..
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well that human rights activist has no respect for anything but herself. in another Iftar program she didn't even bother dressing appropriately (skin showing) through her sari in Amir Liaqat's program. What do u expect from a hindu anyway?
she's lucky she doesn't have the mob after her after all that. Perhaps move to india would be better for her
So what if her skin showed? Why were you looking? If you felt so strongly about it, why did you watch it? And honestly, have you seen Pakistani Fashion? Its Pakistani Fashion...not American. Skin showing is not a big deal...its been showing for centuries...get over it. Apni nazron ka hijab karein...she will answer for what she was wearing but you will answer for looking.
Re: Hafiz Hamdullah vs Marvi Sarmad...cat fight.
well that human rights activist has no respect for anything but herself. in another Iftar program she didn't even bother dressing appropriately (skin showing) through her sari in Amir Liaqat's program. What do u expect from a hindu anyway?
she's lucky she doesn't have the mob after her after all that. Perhaps move to india would be better for her
If your problem is skin showing, please discuss that in separate thread. Topic is not her lifestyle or personality. Why are you bringing religion in discussion and then letting others religion down?
What is your take on issue?
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Find this meme on social media…
Qavi Sb is better than other.. He is not hypocrite…
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This woman Marvi Sirmed is such a foul mouthed person, she can make anyone look relatively innocent on TV. Confronting backward mullahs with these ratbag feminists is bound to be counterproductive.
