Here is something interesting. There are Hadith which prohibit the compilation of Hadith!
“The prophet said:'Do not write anything from me except the Quran. Whoever wrote, must destroy it” (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel 3/12,21,39).
“Omar said: Quran is enough for us, do not write anything from the prophet” (Bukhary, Jihad 176, Gizya 6, Ilim 49, Marza 17, Megazi 83, Itisam 26; Muslim, Vasiyya 20,21,22).
Zara
zara jee as i asked before are you reading these hadiths on the INTERNET or personally in your home in the BOOKS? If it is from the internet which im 85% sure then what site is it please let me know...thanks
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
*Sahih Muslim Book 41(Zuhud), Number 7147:
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Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that **and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me* - and Hammam said: I think he also said: "deliberately" - he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire. *
Again I could not find your reference number, I checked the whole Book of Zuhud, but I could not find your Hadith...
[This message has been edited by yaseeny (edited September 10, 1999).]
Zara jee please dont get distracted by these kinds of sites im sure you found those hadith on net and believe me i can give you many many sites which have hadith like those and they have changed.
If you misinterepit the hadith then its not the hadith that is wrong it YOU. Read Books which have MOST of them have authencity. Internet is like TV now nothing is real mostly. If your faith is strong you will read thoes hadith and ignore them and if you get caught in what enemies of islam are doing then they are the winners. Please be carefull!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Yaseeny,
You have quoted the same Hadith that I quoted. Yours said "do not take anything down from me, except for the Quran." Meaning, don't write down anything I said except for when I was reciting the Quran. Please reread what you posted.
Zara
Zara, I am really sorry to say that you are not paying attention, you have not read the whole hadith and jumping to conclusions...... Please do read the other half too, I have made easier for you now...please check....
Yaseeny,
Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I just noticed your reply. Actually, adding the additional phrase does NOT change the meaning:
Sahih Muslim Book 41(Zuhud), Number 7147:
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me - and Hammam said: I think he also said: "deliberately" - he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire.
What could be more clear than "don't write anything down from me except for the Quran, and if you have, erase it?" When he then says "narrate from me, for there is no harm in it" he must mean "narrate from my revelations of the Quran," since he just said "don't take down anything from me except the Quran." Narrating a falsehood is very dangerous, as you can see from this very Hadith (if you believe in Hadith).
Thanks for finding the correct citation.
Zara
a classic paradox. If you refute the validity of all ahadees, why accept this one?
Asif,
I posted that for you, so that it would be YOUR paradox. You believe in hadith, so having a hadith against hadith must be confusing for you. I'm fine with it. :)
Zara
Like i said earlier, more often than not, we, because of out limited intellectual capacity, misunderstand a lot of ahadees and quranic ayats. Furthermore, it also is true that a lot of ahadees are not present today in their original form...and the hadees u quoted is an example of that. I dont know what you make of the ayat when Allah SWT says in sura Aal-e-Imran.
Follow Allah and follow Rasool.
I dont know what meaning u deduce from that, but to me, it says that I am to follow AllahSWT (quran) and Rasool SAW (hadees and sunnat). Whatever knowledge we have of Islam is all that was passed on to us. None of it was revelated to us. By the way zara..whatever ur agenda for this vendetta against sunnat-e-rasool SAW and ahadees is, it sure does send a wrong message to one who doesnt know anything about Islam. And to think that you started this all based on ur belief against pardah and expanded into stuff like, Allah scolds Muhammad, Muhammad made mistakes, Muhammad was not perfect is taking it all out of line. You have been making judgements on Islam and Prophet SAW. A person who doesnt know much about Islam will definitely get the wrong impression about Islam if he/she looks at our discussions here on this forum. We have two beliefs as Muslims, on which we build upon. The second kalima says it all.
Bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and bear witness that Muhammad SAW is his Prophet and creature.
The acceptance of this message does not mean to just sit Muhammad SAW on a pedestal and accept him as a Prophet and disregard what he did or said, and just follow Quran. Muhammad SAW did what Quran guided him to do...and his teachings are source of our daily guidance. Its easy to go to the internet and fish out translations from 5 different translators, based on which ones fit ur demands, and then write them here on the internet. Read through the translation of one author, and one author alone. Dont go fishing at Shakir for one translation, and Yusuf for another and Pickthall for a third one. The disparity of words is bound to confuse you, and it has clearly done. Prophet SAW is Rehmat-u-lil-Aalameen. Doesnt that mean anything to you?
The hadith is about Prophet making sure that his own sayings don't get mixed up with the Quran compilation process. That, anyone who erroneously wrote it with Quran, should erase it, and write it down elsewhere mentioning the proper source.
By the way, this should be clear to anyone reading the hadith. But I see two problems Zara, why you did not (and will not) get the point. First, you read the hadith piece-wise, which as a matter of fact was a misquote, and you already have the impact from the first part. This is exactly what people who quote out of context, or those who play with words, rely on. They feed on lemmings like you and you folks make them a good meal. More importantly though, your ego is too big to understand simple issues. You 'll keep on talking about things you don't understand and nitpicking and missing the big picture altogether.
Allah knows best.
Thanks DeepBlue, that makes sense.
Achtung
Deep blue,
I agree with you, too. Mohammed didn't want us to mistake his words for the word of God, or give them the same weight, which, unfortunately, many of us are doing.
You're also right, I do read the Hadith, "piece-wise," as does the rest of the Muslim world. They also quote them "piece-wise" and enforce them "piece-wise."
Just imagine what our ummah would be like if we we all looking at only the Quran for guidance and forgot all of the other differences. As far as I am concerned, the Quran IS the big picture.
Zara
Unfortunatley, most people look at the Qur'an "piece-wise" too.
Achtung