I wanna confirm this Hadith please:
A hadith (or saying) of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), the messenger of Allah, is the theme of sermons across the Muslim world: “The hour (of Doomsday, or the end of the world) shall occur when the Euphrates unveils a mountain of gold over which the people will fight.” That gold is oil, of course.
[7:187] They ask you about the hour, when will be its taking place? Say: The knowledge of it is only with my Lord; none but He shall manifest it at its time; it will be momentous in the heavens and the earth; it will not come on you but of a sudden. They ask you as if you were solicitous about it. Say: Its knowledge is only with Allah, but most people do not know.
PakistaniAbroad: Based on the Qur'anic evidence above, one can safely reject the hadith as being fabricated.
Someone said at one time that there are different kinds of ahadith. One kind is "borrowed" or "carried over" from Judaism (Israelite). So may be these "predictive" ahadith originated from Jews. Any link?
The wording is:
"Soon the river Euphrates will..." (Bukhari, Muslim, al-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud)
"The Last Hour would not come before the Euphrates uncovers..." (Muslim, Ibn Majah)
From this we see that it is in fact not a prediction of the exact hour of Judgement Day, but a reference to one of its signs and an indication that perhaps the Hour is fast approaching. The hadith does not conflict with the Qur'anic verse cited earlier.
Iqbal
PA...He's talking about the signs...Not when...
Re: Hadith confirmation
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I wanna confirm this Hadith please:
A hadith (or saying) of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), the messenger of Allah, is the theme of sermons across the Muslim world: "The hour (of Doomsday, or the end of the world) shall occur when the Euphrates unveils a mountain of gold over which the people will fight." That gold is oil, of course.
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Volume 9, Book 88, Number 235:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold, so whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it." Al-A'raj narrated from Abii Huraira that the Prophet said the same but he said, "It (Euphrates) will uncover a mountain of gold (under it)."
All these are found in Muslim Chapter8 : THE LAST HOUR WOULD NOT COME UNTIL THE EUPIIRATES UNCOVERS A TREASURE OFGOLD
Book 41, Number 6918:
Abu Hurairah said, The Prophet said, The Hour will not come before the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold, for which people will fight. Ninety-nine out of every hundred will die, but every one among them will say that perhaps he will be the one who will survive (and thus possess the gold).
Suhail with the same chain of transmitters but with this addition: "My father said: If you see that, do not even go near it."
Book 41, Number 6922:
'Abdullah b. Harith b. Naufal reported: I was standing along with Ubayy b. Ka,b and he said: The opinions of the people differ in regard to the achievement of worldly ends. I said: Yes, of course. Thereupon he said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Euphrates would soon uncover a mountain of gold and when the people would bear of it they would flock towards it but the people who would possess that (treasure) (would say): If we allow these persons to take out of it they would take away the whole of it. So they would fight and ninety-nine out of one hundred would be killed. Abu Kamil in his narration said: I and Abu Ka'b stood under the shade of the battlement of Hassan.
Book 41, Number 6923:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Iraq would withhold its dirhams and qafiz; Syria would withhold its mudd and dinar and Egypt would withhold its irdab and dinar and you would recoil to that position from where you started and you would recoil to that position from where you started and you would recoil to that position from where you started, the bones and the flesh of Abu Huraira would bear testimony to it.
[27:65] Say: No one in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen but Allah; and they do not know when they shall be raised.
[6:50] Say: I do not say to you, I have with me the treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I say to you that I am an angel; I do not follow aught save that which is revealed to me. Say: Are the blind and the seeing one alike? Do you not then reflect?
[10:20] And they say: Why is not a sign sent to him from his Lord? Say: The unseen is only for Allah; therefore wait-- surely I too, with you am of those who wait.
[7:188] Say: I do not control any benefit or harm for my own soul except as Allah please; and had I known the unseen I would have had much of good and no evil would have touched me; I am nothing but a warner and the giver of good news to a people who believe.
PakistaniAbroad: There are more, but some people will never believe.. they'd rather argue about the "unseen" and "knowledge" to dispute it's not about the exact time but the 'signs' (what's the difference?) in order to prove Bukhari and others true and throw the Qur'an to the side.
No one can rightly claim independent knowledge of the Unseen. But Allah Almighty may reveal aspects of the Unseen (al-Ghayb) to a Messenger of His choosing:
{He is the Knower of the Unseen, and He reveals not His Unseen/Secrets to any except to him who He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him [the messenger] and after him so that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.} (Surah 72:26-28)
{This is a part of the news of the Unseen that We reveal to you...} (Surah 3:44)
{This is a part of the news of the Unseen that We reveal to you; neither you nor your people knew it before this.} (Surah 11:49)
Prophet 'Isa (as) could reveal what his people were storing in their homes; a feat accomplished only by the fact that he was made aware of this Unseen knowledge as one of his many miraculous signs. See Surah 3:49.
Indeed, Prophet 'Isa (as) himself is considered one of the signs of the Hour as per one understanding (possibly the prevailing understanding) of Surah 43:61.
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... to dispute it's not about the exact time but the 'signs' (what's the difference?)
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You really can't see the difference??
Iqbal
The Qur'an and stories in Qur'an are of what was revealed to the Prophet.. please find any 'warning signs' of Euphrates unveiling mountains of gold within..
as for the signs of it nearing and the hour.. really 'knowledge' encompasses everything.. if u know when it's gonna happen or know the events that are leading upto it.. u are supposed to have 'knowledge' of it.
PA: ur not supposed to be believing in these ahadith. right! Its fine, we now know and respect your opinion.
Now let those who believe in them and believe that Allah revealed some signs of the 'near' of the day of judgment (not exactly the date and time but the 'zamana qable qiyamat' which could be years and decades) discuss what is in the ahadith books. Thanks for your comments though.
smooth_guy I have nothing against people discussing stories.. seriously.. carry on. My objective was just to point out the facts from the one and only Holy Book.
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The Qur'an and stories in Qur'an are of what was revealed to the Prophet.. please find any 'warning signs' of Euphrates unveiling mountains of gold within..
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You might first want to make up your mind exactly what point it is you are trying to put across. You started by declaring the hadith spurious not because the information it provided wasn't in the Qur'an but because, in your view, it conflicted with the Qur'an. Now you seem to be finding fault with the fact that the content of the hadith isn't in the Qur'an itself. You quoted verses about no one knowing the Unseen save Allah, yet now unavoidably concede that aspects of the Unseen have been revealed to Messengers (after all, the Unseen is the Unseen!). So just what exactly was your point in citing all those verses?
And when Prophet 'Isa (as) disclosed what was in people's homes, i assume that was all revealed in writing in the Injil so everyone could read it for themselves; each person's name listed in alphabetical order along with all the fruits and vegetables they possessed?
That Allah disclosed the Unseen to Prophet Muhammad (s) is a Qur'anic fact, that such knowledge is solely contained in the Qur'an is your assumption. Is this a general rule in your opinion - that all information of the Unseen revealed to Messengers was only ever contained in the primary scripture sent down to them?
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as for the signs of it nearing and the hour.. really 'knowledge' encompasses everything.. if u know when it's gonna happen or know the events that are leading upto it.. u are supposed to have 'knowledge' of it.**
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It's true, you really can't see the difference! You assume that having knowledge of events leading up to the Hour entails knowing all events right up to and including the Hour being established. How did you figure that out? I may claim to know some signs of a person's approaching death - he/she enters old age for example - but does knowing this necessitate that i can predict the exact hour of that person's demise? Knowledge is not all encompassing in the way that you describe - partial knowledge of something is perfectly possible. This so obvious that i'm surprised it needs to be said.
Iqbal
The Hadeeth do not contradict with any Quranic Ayat. It indicates one of the many signs of the approaching hour. This does not mean that the Hour will approach at the very instance that the Hadeeth has mentioned. Take it this way that the event mentioned in the Hadeeth will happen before the Last Hour but it is not indicative of the precise or even rough time of the approaching of the Hour. Allah (SWT) alone has the knowledge of the timing of the approaching of the Hour.
The point of posting the first verse was to show that questions about the 'hour' were not uncommon and the Qur'an documents those instances and also clearly describes the Prophet's standard response... "knowledge thereof is with Allah Alone"...
[33:63] Men ask thee concerning the Hour: Say, "The knowledge thereof is with Allah (alone)": and what will make thee understand? perchance the Hour is nigh!
if the Prophet had to warn people by giving any signs.. this was the place and time to have done it... but he always repeated what he was commanded to tell people about the hour.
Now years later if stories like the one posted emerge; obviously copied and influenced from Judao-Christian writings, there is no reason for us to start distorting the interpretation of Qur'anic verses to justify these narratives.
Regarding the unseen.. 72:26-28 show that it was to be conveyed.
[72:26] The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
[72:27] Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,
[72:28] So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.
PakistaniAbroad: Abundandtly clear that whatever 'unseen' is shared with the messengers is for 'delivering' as a message.
We all know that Prophet Muhammad was instructed to deliver the message he received and he did his job and we now have the Qur'an with us. Anyone who wishes to give other writings the status of 'revealed' text needs to do try harder.