Can anyone quote me the hadith about their own deeds affecting their kids in the future. I have looked but can’t find it but I know that there is a hadith as I have heard elders talking about it and heard it on tv.
I have heard elders say things like:
If a husband treats his wife badly, his daughter will b treated the same by her husband.
Or
Upnee ketee buchiya de samne andee a.
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not sure about hadith but that is more like makafat e amal.
a logical implication.
if you being a wife treats your mother in law in bad manners and your husband is also with you then your boy child will do the 'same' as your husband did to his mother.
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Never came across such a hadith, but my guess is that it's more a popular saying than something that has religious significance.
There is a concept of karma in Islam. You sow as you reap. Either you get your punishment in this life or it'll be reserved for the akhirat.
At the same time, Islam holds each person accountable for their own sins. No soul shall bear the sins of another.
What you're talking about can't be treated as a rule, I think. Even if you know if cases that support this view, i still dont think it's an absolute.
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Some people never get punishment in this life, but they certainly will in the Here After. It says so somewhere in Quran, literally. I'm not at home now but at work, so I can't quote from my notes. Perhaps someone else can who knows the Quran better.
Noah (as) had a son who chose not to obey Allah, he died in the flood. Noah (as) asked Allah why, as he was told that his kin would survive. Then Allah said it was because of lack of faith and everyone is responsible for his or her own deeds. Being a family member of a prophet was not enough.
That is one of many pieces of evidence that your own deeds count most in Islam and you are rewarded and punished by what you yourself have done or not done. It's a big difference between Islam and for example Christianity, where people are forgiven for just believing in Christian version of Jesus (as) and by confessing in front of a priest (Catholics), etc. In Islam, you really have to repent for sins and then perhaps Allah will forgive, depending on the sin and on any other deeds of yours.
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Some ayatain about even nasty people getting all they want in life, and how some nice people get nothing or less or also everything they want in life, so being poor or rich can't be a sign of a better life, a better character, most important is the Here After, not that we shouldn't try to make something of our lives on earth, but we should remember that most important is the Here After:
'If any do wish for the transitory things (of this life), we readily grant them - such things as We will, to such persons as We will: in the end have We provided Hell for them: they will burn therein, disgraced and rejected.' [17:21]
'See how We have bestowed more on some than on others; but verily the Here After is more in rank and gradation and more in excellence.' [17:21]
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i have heard things like that too. but i dont think islam or Allah for that matter, is revengeful. His plans are beyond human comprehension. punishment for transgressions is something else. that is due, in this world or hereafter.
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someone explained this to me once......they said that of course we are all responsible and answerable for our own deeds.....but Allah may choose to test us through any means....
our trial may come in the form of the suffering of a loved one (be it our children or our parents or our spouses).....
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someone explained this to me once......they said that of course we are all responsible and answerable for our own deeds.....but Allah may choose to test us through any means.... our trial may come in the form of the suffering of a loved one (be it our children or our parents or our spouses).....
Hmm. It's said that it's better to receive Allah's punishment in this world than the next. So going by what Muzna has said above......perhaps if you have hurt someone's child (hypothetically speaking)...Allah might give you a punishment involving your own child....and this might be a "trial" for the child whereby the child earns reward for patience or receives an elevated status...while the child's trial serves as punishment for the parent. Is this view valid from an Islamic perspective?
Also sometimes I wonder if Allah allows one person to hurt another so that the action becomes a means of mercy for one person and punishment for another. Lets's say that X is severely jealous of Y...and harbors ill will for Y. X proceeds to harm Y....and Allah allows X to be successful in his scheming. But what X may not realize is that Allah just allowed him enough rope to hang himself later on. What I mean is that maybe Allah made it eeeeaaasssy for X to harm Y....so that there will be grounds for X to be punished....and the suffering endured by Y may be means of mercy and cleansing if endured with patience. Would this perspective be valid in Islam or no? Or perhaps there's a chain reaction. Maybe Y had once hurt someone, so the pain he endures from C is like Divine karma for him. Who knows?
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Yes, we never know. It is a comfort though, that who ever is harming us, one day, perhaps in this World, perhaps in the next world, will be punished for it insha Allah.
I never really believed in karma, as many people who haven't harmed others, still mostly receive misery. There is hope for better life in the Here After for them. Yet, in Islam, we can't really be sure. We have hope and believe, but we can't be completely sure we'll got to djannat. I also think of the story of Job (as) who received suffering as a test, his children even died, while he had never harmed anyone at all. It was a test to his faith in Allah. So no karma involved at all. I think it's different for each situation.
We humans can't know exactly why certain things happen in life.
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The video links of Iqbal Salafi which I have posted on the other thread explain that if difficulties in life bring you closer to Allah & purify you as a believer, make you a better muslim / person then it is a 'trial' from Allah but if the difficulties take you far from the creator, the worship, good deeds & take you closer to satanic deeds & make you a bad person then it is not a trial but 'punishment' from God.
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All things happen to us for good ...
"So that we can elevate" or "be reminded" ... both of these are good ... If you think about it anything that happens to us fits in one of these categories and hence the phrase "Whatever Allah (SWT) allows is for the good"
However, our own responses might be good for us or might be bad for us ...
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I wish my deeds really would affect the lives of my children, they'd have a better life than I ever had then. Not that I have much to complain nowadays, life is alhamdulilah and mostly I'm happy.
No matter what happens and what influences anything that happens to us, I guess we should always remember our own behaviour, no matter what. It isn't always easy, I know, especially when you are amongst terrible people who are nothing but trouble makers. Where ever we are, we have to find a way to at least make sure our own behaviour is as much Islamic as possible.
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I wish my deeds really would affect the lives of my children, they'd have a better life than I ever had then. Not that I have much to complain nowadays, life is alhamdulilah and mostly I'm happy.
No matter what happens and what influences anything that happens to us, I guess we should always remember our own behaviour, no matter what. It isn't always easy, I know, especially when you are amongst terrible people who are nothing but trouble makers. Where ever we are, we have to find a way to at least make sure our own behaviour is as much Islamic as possible.
I'm learning not to have an "opinion" about people......keeps my thoughts and heart pure.
One may see the actions of some as being evil or trouble-some but one truly can never know what their intentions or motivations are.
Why condemn someone that Allah may forgive?
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Somehow I doubt Allah would forgive someone like Hitler for example. But it's true, one never really knows if someone really regrets an action and is forgiven. That's why I rarely say someone will go to hell or heaven, I'm not God.
Btw, being amongst terrible people doens't mean you have to judge them. I myself mind my own business. It's when terrible people try to pick fights with me, by calling me names for example, or beating me, bothering my children, etc., that I certainly will judge them for their behaviour against my children and me.
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Somehow I doubt Allah would forgive someone like Hitler for example. But it's true, one never really knows if someone really regrets an action and is forgiven. That's why I rarely say someone will go to hell or heaven, I'm not God.
Btw, being amongst terrible people doens't mean you have to judge them. I myself mind my own business. It's when terrible people try to pick fights with me, by calling me names for example, or beating me, bothering my children, etc., that I certainly will judge them for their behaviour against my children and me.
Granted...I agree that personalities like Hitler may or may not be granted mercy, however, how many such personalities do we each face in our own lives these days?