Two questions:
Whats the difference between Hadees-e-Qudsi and a verse from the Quran?
Were some revelations given to the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) but were told not to be part of the Quran?
Jazak Allah.
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We had this same discussion like 3 or so years ago, and it was on "extra-Quranic revelations". Apparently the Prophet recieved much revelation that was not written down in Quranic form, and its these supposed revelations that fuel the argument that Hadith are 100% correct.
Oh the horrors. I remember that discussion.
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^Did you get that from a website, is that taqreer available online somewhere and are there more in Urdu?
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all of Islam was “revealed” to Prophet Muhammad (saw)… whether that be a verse of the Qur’an, a hadith Qudsi, the appointment of the first Qibla, the azan and how to make it (these last two are of course referred to in the Qur’an but it is obvious they were instituted by revelation outside of it)… so yes, not every “revelation” he received is in the Qur’an
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As far as Im concerned all authentic hadees has the same status as a Quranic revelation as far as the source of that religious injunction is concerned, which is Allah.
SHAKIR: I swear by the star when it goes down.
SHAKIR: Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray;
SHAKIR: Nor does he speak out of desire.
SHAKIR: It is naught but revelation that is revealed,
SHAKIR: The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him,
SHAKIR: The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion,
SHAKIR: And he is in the highest part of the horizon.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/053.qmt.html
The difference is, that the Quran is a set of revelations revealed in a particular concise form, which also has the guarantee of being free from corruption for all time.
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^ Precisely. Yeah, you tell them ravage. :k:
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Some often cited differences between Hadith Qudsi and the Qur'an:
1. The Qur'an was revealed with exact and specific wording to Prophet Muhammad (saw) whereas a Hadith Qudsi's meaning might be from Allah, but Prophet Muhammad (saw) expressed it in his own words
[Note: This is an area of difference. Some scholars have argued that, like the Qur'an, a Hadith Qudsi's very wording is also from Allah, not just the meaning]
2. Mankind is challenged to produce the like of the Qur'an, whereas no such challenge exists for Hadith Qudsi
3. All of the Qur'an is mutawatir (mass-transmitted from the first generation), but this is not the case with all Hadith Qudsi
[Note: One could say this is a "relative" difference and not an "inherent" one. In other words, it may seem a fundamental difference to us here and now but this difference could not have been cited at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saw) himself]
4. Only the Qur'an may be recited as part of the formal salah, Hadith Qudsi may not
5. Reciting the Qur'an earns ten rewards for each letter recited; the same reward has not been mentioned for Hadith Qudsi
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Define the bolded one plz, also I believe these verses are regarding the verses that Prophet PBUH passed on to companions.
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JazaakAllahu khair.
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Is there a difference between just regular hadith and hadith qudsi?
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captain1: i meant ahadees that havent been fabricated. rahi baat iski that the verses are limited to quranic revelations, I disagree. the verse explicitly says:
i. the prophet does not err
ii. the prophet does not go astray
iii. "nor" does he speak out of desire except for what is revealed to him
iv. the Almighty has taught him so that he (not the Quran) attained completion
Nowhere here, or in the rest of the surah is it indicated that the scope of this is limited to quranic revelation.
PCG there is a difference in the voice. Hadees e Qudsi are narrated with Allah as the speaker, I believe
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and who decides which is/not fabricated? there are people who’d accept one hadith and there are people who’d reject it.
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yeah, understandably so, and that is unfortunate. but the ones that are correct (not from my perspective or any human perspective but in reality) have that status in my mind.
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Oh i c. So then why would God protect the words of the Quran, but then not of the Hadith-e-Qudsi. Furthermore, what if someone made up a hadith and called it "hadith-e-qudsi" type of a hadith?
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how do you know the “reality”? how did only “correct ones” get status in YOUR mind? its all about ‘perspective’.
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i never claimed to know the reality captain1 sahab :)
but I dont have to know which ones are correct to know that the ones that are correct have the said status. clear now? its like us saying that whatever part of Injeel and Torah has not been corrupted is the word of Allah.
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why dont you ask Him. His Deen, His Words ask Him.
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Did you find a question that you are not able to answer, oh sharaabi?
We humans were the ones to collect the hadith. That's why I ask. Surely there should be record as to which hadith's were hadith-e-qudsi, and how we know they are hadith-e-qudsi, and not regular hadith's, and also given that we have so much record of the Prophet down to his bedroom activities, we should have an idea as to why these hadith-e-Qudsi were not granted the same protection? Or were they actually granted the same protection?