Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

I think you also have problems related to memory loss.

@Spock

Maybe you have some problems reading. I said Gwadar is nothing more than a mismanaged project.

Nope. That is not what you said initially. Refer to Post #1 & the title:

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"Can't be operational before 2011"
So what happened? According to the latest press release, its being said that the lack of communication/road infrastructure it makes it impossible for Gwadar to start operations until atleast 2011! What was going on in the last 8-9 years of unprecedented growth and development then? What happened to the record 134 billion rupees shortcut parachute aziz announced 3-4 years ago, that would be spent on mega projects?
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The fact is that Gwadar already started operations, and shipment arrived. It doesn't matter how much was offloaded elsewhere - as long as the ship was able to anchor at the port, it can be classified as operational.

@Spock

The fact that it had one glorious shipment in 9 or 10 years is something you brought up not me, I just provided you an in depth review from an expert, not some MQM jiyala who happens to be a Canadian shipping, harbor consulting expert. He has clearly shows what went wrong and alot of it had to do with mismanagement. Care to explain what happened to Shaukat Aziz's launch date of 2004 or 2005? If its ready for shipments, why don't shipments arrive on a daily basis? Is this why Gwadar so much money was spent, so one ship in 14 months can meander around and do a partial unload?

The fact is that you were willing to believe this bogus news report that says that Gwadar cannot be operational until 2011, and then people provided you with proof (news articles & pictures, which you still have troubles digesting) to counter your argument. That one glorious shipment in 9 or 10 years means that the port is operational - I don't know why you cannot grasp this simple concept.

No I don't care what happened to Shaukat Aziz's launch date. Why don't you ask him?

If the port is not ready for shipment, how did news reporters capture images of a cargo-ship anchoring at the port?

I've already explained previously why the ship had to do a partial unload.

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Now to counter this and to prove it wasn't mismanaged you brought in the example of one commercial which couldn't even dock properly and that is supposed to be a milestone? This one ship could have been brought like this even if there was no Gwadar port, offloaded miles outside!

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Did I say it is a milestone? I just said that the port is operational, and never mentioned anything pertaining to mismanagement. The construction is not complete yet. How do you expect the ship to dock?
Delays in such large scale projects happen all the time, especially in Pakistan where terrorists are constantly trying to destroy any thing constructive. How many Chinese engineers at Gwadar have been victims of terrorist attacks? Could that be a reason for delays? Have you ever thought of that?

And no, the ship could not have anchored at Gwadar without a port. The method that you have stated is just absurd. Why do countries build multiple ports if ships can just unload off to smaller ships and transport to one port only?

@Spock

So far Gwadar has been a failure, the Government failed to meet its deadlines (this is 2008 not 2004), and it will be another Kalabagh Dam, unless they start working on its sincerely, because all the Mush govt did was a bit of dilly dallying.

Sure. The previous governments could not even think of building the port (or a dam), considering the fact that a port in Gwadar was first realized in the 1960's.

[Spock]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

You can post all the long paras or bring terrorists or whatever you want, the fact of the matter is, this is 2008, 3 to 4 years past the anticipated date that Shortcut announced Gwadar would start operations, and what do we have, a bunch of overlying structures, Chinese interest already faded away, and a mismanaged project sitting there awaiting a Kalabagh fate, and then we have some people living in their lala land thinking we have the new Dubai operating because it was able to get one ship (which offloaded somewhere else). Now I will let you think you know more than all the experts who think this project was badly managed and poorly orchestrated.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

I don't care how late the project is. The fact of matter is that it is already operational, but you can't seem to digest the fact. And, you also cannot digest the fact that it is still under construction, hence it cannot accomodate heavy ships.

The ship offloaded 52 tonnes of wheat after anchoring at the port, while 20 tonnes were offloaded to a merchant ship. Partial offload or not, majority of it was done at the port, not at sea.

But you are right about one thing - I can write paragraphs after paragraphs and it won't make a difference, because it seems as if I am speaking to a brick wall.

[Khehkeshan]

But you are right about one thing - I can write paragraphs after paragraphs and it won't make a difference, because it seems as if I am speaking to a brick wall.

And that is the bottom line...

[Spock]

I don't care how late the project is. The fact of matter is that it is already operational, but you can't seem to digest the fact. And, you also cannot digest the fact that it is still under construction, hence it cannot accomodate heavy ships.

The ship offloaded 52 tonnes of wheat after anchoring at the port, while 20 tonnes were offloaded to a merchant ship. Partial offload or not, majority of it was done at the port, not at sea.

But you are right about one thing - I can write paragraphs after paragraphs and it won't make a difference, because it seems as if I am speaking to a brick wall.

Yeah maybe in 20050 it will get the second grand shipment, and you will be the one cheering (with a walking stick), and Babur Ghauri wont be there to assist you. Kehkashan ofcourse will be there to collect his bhatta at gun point.

[sogul]

@thejoke

There is no railway link but there is a planned one. Who said there is no proper road? I have travelled from on the Mekran highway myself from Karachi to Gwadar. Gwadar and Karachi are also connected by sea.

Electricity? Who ever said this is completely mad and biased and has never been there. Gwadar and Turbat (Quetta too) are not suffering the same electricity problems as the rest of the country because the first 2 cities buy their electricity from Iran.

Gwadar has started receiving deliveries although there is limited storage space.

Here is a photo and this is a Canadian ship that brought the wheat to Gwadar in June.

Gwadar Port, Pakistan - March 2008 | This was the first ship… | Flickr

Im not sure about the electricity thing that you are saying. Believe me, the electricity situation IS like the rest of the country in Balochistan. There are power cuts up to 12-16 hours daily in areas of Quetta let alone the small cities

[Himalaya]

Gwadar and turbat are supplied with electricity from Iran. Why dont you actually take a trip there instead of living your life through some one elses political statements.

Quetta also does not suffer the same loadshedding as the rest of Pakistan.

By the way is nt the port in the hands of a Singaporean firm?

@Spock

Maybe he is, who knows, plenty of Riz-Ks posting around these days. And before Mush, there was no Gwadar, it was during his illegal tenure that all this mony went into Gwadar and was mismanaged, and theres still no Dubai. Face it, it is bound to face another Kalabagh like fate. 2011 isnt too far away and I am pretty sure it wont be operational till then, thanks to the unprecedented mismanagement.

Lahore Ka Cheetah, when theres barely 10 hours of electricity in Karachi, you expect me to believe theres uninterrupted supply of electricity in Gwadar where in 9 years one ship came, and couldnt even dock? haha

[Spock]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

Baluchistan was facing 18 hours of daily load shedding last year in August!

[Himalaya]

I am not really bothered what that report says. I have spelt out what I have seen and experienced when I was there. Thats what magtters to me. My experiences definitely contradict what the first link says.

Gwadar is agood nice peaceful place for a holiday - why dont you go there and experience its natural charm?

@Spock

Ive also posted a detailed analysis from a report in Dawn, but an independent, shipping and harbor consultant, please do read and report back to me.

[sogul]

Gwadar and turbat are supplied with electricity from Iran. Why dont you actually take a trip there instead of living your life through some one elses political statements.

Quetta also does not suffer the same loadshedding as the rest of Pakistan.

By the way is nt the port in the hands of a Singaporean firm?

Dear friend why don't you go there? I'm actually from Quetta myself and still have my family there. Don't you think that people living there know what's going on? And what do you mean by "living your life through some one elses political statements"? As far as I can see Janab-e-Ali is doing the same. It doesn't matter where the electricity comes from, the conditions of the province are the same as in the other 3 provinces of Pakistan.

[sogul]

I am not really bothered what that report says. I have spelt out what I have seen and experienced when I was there. Thats what magtters to me. My experiences definitely contradict what the first link says.

Gwadar is agood nice peaceful place for a holiday - why dont you go there and experience its natural charm?

True, Gwadar has natural beauty and it is good for a holiday. But I guess you haven't lived with the ordinary fisher-family in their huts to see how "developed" the city actually is.

[Spock]

I am not really bothered what that report says. I have spelt out what I have seen and experienced when I was there. Thats what magtters to me. My experiences definitely contradict what the first link says.

Gwadar is agood nice peaceful place for a holiday - why dont you go there and experience its natural charm?

I am sure its a beautiful place, like it was before the 300bn spent but we are talking about the development of the port.

There was also massive mismanagement of the city by the Govt level, which is different from the port.

[Spock]

Dear friend why don't you go there? I'm actually from Quetta myself and still have my family there. Don't you think that people living there know what's going on? And what do you mean by "living your life through some one elses political statements"? As far as I can see Janab-e-Ali is doing the same. It doesn't matter where the electricity comes from, the conditions of the province are the same as in the other 3 provinces of Pakistan.

Thank you for clarifying bro... I rest my case.