Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

[Spock]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

^ Did you bother to read the article I posted about the ship that landed? Here it is again:

Maqbool Malik
ISLAMABAD - The call of first-ever merchant ship Panamax class bulk carrier ‘POS Glory’ at deep-sea Gwadar Port in mysterious circumstances last month has raised many eyebrows.
Background discussions with shipping industry sources by TheNation have revealed likelihood of a deliberate attempt to bring POS Glory, 75,000DWT to cover up some major unlawful activity relating to country’s so-called first deep-sea port.According to the sources, POS Glory was in fact too large a ship that could take berth at the port because of constraints relating to permissible draught to sail through the port’s navigation channel.
As a result the ship that sailed from Canada to discharge 72,000 tons of wheat at Gwadar was forced to anchor miles away in the sea and was made able to discharge remaining wheat only after offloading up to 9,000 tons by another merchant ship m.v. Hyderabad of national flag carrier, National Shipping Corporation of Pakistan (PNSC).
This, sources maintained, had led to increase in the cost of shipping the commodity at the user end.
Sources argued that call of POS Glory would not have caused such an embarrassing situation had the Gwadar Port Authority (GPA) maintained the planned 14.5-meter depth, whereas the existing depth of the channel and three operational multipurpose berths was stated to be 12.5 meters by the time the POS Glory reached the outer anchorage of the port.
Sources blamed the GPA to be largely responsible for the mess created by the arrival of such a large ship, and apprehended that the port authority was caught in the middle because of its failure to maintain the required depth.
They also blamed the port manager and operator Singapore-based firm PSA and its Pakistani associates that have been favoured by the former government by awarding unprecedented 40 years tax free concession in February 2007 and could have advised the GPA not to allow call to POS Glory in the given situation.
Since the award last year, the PSA has neither made any worth mentioning investment nor it has installed any cargo handling equipment as per the agreement. Sources said the company had recently undertaken installation of container handling cranes.
Sources further pointed out that the PSA had no operational activity in the entire Middle East region after it abandoned the Aden port few years ago but had secured the Gwadar Port concession although there were two other potential investors including the Hong Kong-based Hutchison Ports Holdings and Dubai-based DP World.
Courtesy: The Nation, 3/4/2008

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

^^ Did you bother reading my previous posts carefully? More over, did you bother reading the article you posted yourself? The counter to your argument lies within the article itself.

@Spock

As a result the ship that sailed from Canada to discharge 72,000 tons of wheat at Gwadar was forced to anchor miles away in the sea and was made able to discharge remaining wheat only after offloading up to 9,000 tons by another merchant ship

[Spock]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

lol the article clearly states that the only shipment you keep talking about was a failure, the ship had to be anchored far away because they screwed up the depth. Face it, even 2011 looks like a dream now.

Today there were calls of scrapping the project altogether too by some politicians, and they werent PPP members.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

The article says that some of the ship’s cargo had to be offloaded via other merchant ships before it could anchor at the port. The reason being that, as common sense would tell you, the heavier the cargo, the deeper the ships sinks in to the water. Like I said in my previous posts, Gwadar port is currently not able anchor the largest of the ships because construction isn’t complete. Currently, the basin of the port is not deep enough to accomodate the larger ships. And that Canadian ship is massive - one of the largest in the world.

**First cargo ship anchors at Gwadar Port **
ISLAMABAD, Mar 15 (APP): The deep-sea Gwadar Port became operational Saturday when a ship carrying 52000 tonnes of wheat from Canada anchored at the port.

All arrangements were in place to offload the wheat to be transported across the country for domestic use, GEO TV reported.

The ship reached inside the limits of Gwadar four days ago.

The ship arrived with 72000 tonnes of wheat but before it was anchored, 20,000 tonnes wheat was off loaded from it and transported to Karachi.

On one hand the Port’s becoming operational will have a positive impact on the economy of Gwadar and on the other hand it will open up more employment opportunities to the locals.

Associated Press of Pakistan

[Spock]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

Precisely my point, it cant handle the big ships, its no where near completion and hence comes the suggestion that it wont be ready till 2011 because of massive mismanagement. What good was that port if it was to be loaded off to a seperate ship miles offa it? Its almost 2009, lets see how long before the new dubai is ready. Lets hope it doesnt suffer the kalabagh fate.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

@Spock

Precisely my point, it cant handle the big ships, its no where near completion and hence comes the suggestion that it wont be ready till 2011 because of massive mismanagement. What good was that port if it was to be loaded off to a seperate ship miles offa it? Its almost 2009, lets see how long before the new dubai is ready. Lets hope it doesnt suffer the kalabagh fate.

Dude, do you have trouble reading? The article clearly states that the ship anchored after offloading a smaller amount. 52000 tonnes is not good enough? That is over 75% of the total load it carried.

You have changed your ‘precise’ point. Your original point was that Gwadar port is unoperational. Don’t deny it! :laugh: Now your new point is that it can’t load the larger ships. So what? It has not completed construction - I’ve mentioned that many times.

[Khehkeshan]

@Spock

Precisely my point, it cant handle the big ships, its no where near completion and hence comes the suggestion that it wont be ready till 2011 because of massive mismanagement. What good was that port if it was to be loaded off to a seperate ship miles offa it? Its almost 2009, lets see how long before the new dubai is ready. Lets hope it doesnt suffer the kalabagh fate.

And before Mush, Gawadar couldn't handle any container ship, so this is progress, but that idea is too hard for you to comprehend.

Go ahead and tell us how Lahore ka cheetah is an MQM agent. You're laughable.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

lol

[Himalaya]

I would believe the Government too had they had an ounce of credibility. You believe politicians but not dictators and their stooges?

Khekeshan hit the nail on the head with his comment further up!

@Spock

I think I'll take the Governments word over yours. Thank you.

[Himalaya]

the problem is people are too clouded by their own biases. fair enough - hate musharaf - theres not many who dont but then dont run away facts and logic.

I have no reason to say what I have said about Gwadar which contradicts what this politician said in a newspaper. I am not saying Gwadar is a Dubai but what Im saying is there is electricity, there isa communication network barring rail. Anyway Spock has contradicted himself - this is what happens when people dont look at things fairly.

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

You mean that you will take the government's/news report's word over pictures that clearly show ships arriving at Gwadar? That is ignorance at its best!

By the way, there have many news reports from few weeks ago that covered the story of the Canadian ship that unloaded at Gwadar port. Will you also deny these?

[Spock]

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Dude, do you have trouble reading? The article clearly states that the ship anchored after offloading a smaller amount. 52000 tonnes is not good enough? That is over 75% of the total load it carried.

You have changed your ‘precise’ point. Your original point was that Gwadar port is unoperational. Don’t deny it! :laugh: Now your new point is that it can’t load the larger ships. So what? It has not completed construction - I’ve mentioned that many times.

the article I posted was from the nation and clearly states it was a blunder, and I am posting an indepth analysis below. Face it, 9 years and it cant even handle one ship, and like the article mentioned it just seemed like a deliberate attempt, asking that ship to come there, and causing a major embarrassment, and had to pay extra for that.

[Spock]

@Khehkeshan

And before Mush, Gawadar couldn't handle any container ship, so this is progress, but that idea is too hard for you to comprehend.

Go ahead and tell us how Lahore ka cheetah is an MQM agent. You're laughable.

Maybe he is, who knows, plenty of Riz-Ks posting around these days. And before Mush, there was no Gwadar, it was during his illegal tenure that all this mony went into Gwadar and was mismanaged, and theres still no Dubai. Face it, it is bound to face another Kalabagh like fate. 2011 isnt too far away and I am pretty sure it wont be operational till then, thanks to the unprecedented mismanagement.

Lahore Ka Cheetah, when theres barely 10 hours of electricity in Karachi, you expect me to believe theres uninterrupted supply of electricity in Gwadar where in 9 years one ship came, and couldnt even dock? haha

[Spock]

*Lahori Cheetah, you might want to take a look at this :hehe: I suggest you read that article carefully this time. This article comes from an expert port, harbor, shipping consultant in Canada.

Gwadar, a milestone of blunders

http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/14/ebr7.htm
*[email protected])**

[Spock]

@thejoke

I would believe the Government too had they had an ounce of credibility. You believe politicians but not dictators and their stooges?

Khekeshan hit the nail on the head with his comment further up!

Ive also posted a detailed analysis from a report in Dawn, but an independent, shipping and harbor consultant, please do read and report back to me.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

@Spock

Ive also posted a detailed analysis from a report in Dawn, but an independent, shipping and harbor consultant, please do read and report back to me.

I read the article you posted, carefully, and again the counter to your pointless thread lies within the article itself. The question now arise: have YOU read the article carefully yourself? Why do you keep posting articles that contradict your own statements? This is getting pathetic now.

@Spock

And the port is certainly making history.This is perhaps the first port in the annals of the history of port development which could not receive the first commercial ship specifically chartered to use the port on its inauguration. Somebody just forgot to check the draft of the ship against the depth available at the port. The ship had to be partially unloaded at the anchorage to MV Hyderabad, engaged from PNSC,** before the ship was able to enter the port.**

According to Singapore’s Business Times of March 27, David Yang of PSA, (the operator of the port), declared the arrival of this ship, Pos Glory, as “a significant milestone in the port’s successful start-up.” The operator had been handed over the $298 million port on January 23, 2007. It handled one commercial ship in 14 months of its operation: a real milestone indeed.

Conclusion: To sum up, the port with its 36 month construction schedule beginning March 22, 2002,** has taken the first commercial ship** after 72 months, even that after partially unloading at the anchorage: A ‘history making’ event indeed and a ‘significant milestone,’ as the PSA declares.

The bolded parts in red are totally contradictory to this pointless thread you've created about Gwadar not being operation until 2011.

[Dr.LuLworth]

@Spock

Ive posted detailed analysis

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I read the article you posted, carefully, and again the counter to your pointless thread lies within the article itself. The question now arise: have YOU read the article carefully yourself? Why do you keep posting articles that contradict your own statements? This is getting pathetic now.

lol But I don't think you understand. This internet warrior has posted detailed analysis that proves everything wrong, from our logic to einsteins theory of relativity. How dare you defy his super genius logic. I think we should pool some resources and buy him an award. What do you say?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: Gwadar - Cant be operational before 2011

lol. done deal.

[Spock]

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I read the article you posted, carefully, and again the counter to your pointless thread lies within the article itself. The question now arise: have YOU read the article carefully yourself? Why do you keep posting articles that contradict your own statements? This is getting pathetic now.

The bolded parts in red are totally contradictory to this pointless thread you've created about Gwadar not being operation until 2011.

Maybe you have some problems reading. I said Gwadar is nothing more than a mismanaged project. The fact that it had one glorious shipment in 9 or 10 years is something you brought up not me, I just provided you an in depth review from an expert, not some MQM jiyala who happens to be a Canadian shipping, harbor consulting expert. He has clearly shows what went wrong and alot of it had to do with mismanagement. Care to explain what happened to Shaukat Aziz's launch date of 2004 or 2005? If its ready for shipments, why don't shipments arrive on a daily basis? Is this why Gwadar so much money was spent, so one ship in 14 months can meander around and do a partial unload?

Now to counter this and to prove it wasn't mismanaged you brought in the example of one commercial which couldn't even dock properly and that is supposed to be a milestone? This one ship could have been brought like this even if there was no Gwadar port, offloaded miles outside!

So far Gwadar has been a failure, the Government failed to meet its deadlines (this is 2008 not 2004), and it will be another Kalabagh Dam, unless they start working on its sincerely, because all the Mush govt did was a bit of dilly dallying.

[Spock]

@alig_reinvented

lol But I don’t think you understand. This internet warrior has posted detailed analysis that proves everything wrong, from our logic to einsteins theory of relativity. How dare you defy his super genius logic. I think we should pool some resources and buy him an award. What do you say?

So why dont you prove why this new Dubai, all set to launch in 2004, or 2005 isnt up yet? Oh wait, I forgot MQM is running the show here Contact 9-0 and explain the following:

Confirming the above new completion schedule date, the then Minister Ports and Shipping Babar Ghouri told the Senate on June 17, 2005 that the development work of the Gwadar port project would be completed by June 2006 and the inauguration would be held in a befitting manner after its completion.

Befitting indeed! A Ship even after 3 years of the failed deadline couldnt even enter port due to his mistake.

[Spock]

Here are some dates of completions posted by the Govt, and heres how they kept changing. This is caled mismanagement.

Finally on March 22, 2002, the groundbreaking ceremony of the project was performed by the President of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, and PRC Vice-Premier Wu Bang Guo. The port was to be completed by March 2005.

Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz said in May 2003 that the work at the port was proceeding ahead of schedule of March 2005.

In a briefing to newsmen on June 6, 2004, Gwadar Development Authority, Director General Mir Ahmad Baksh Lehri advanced the date of completing the project to January, 2005.

Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz and the seven-member Chinese delegation led by Charge d’Affairs Song Deheng:** “The first phase of the port would become functional by December 25, 2004.”**

Ground realities: As the date for the hopeful completion of the project (December 2004) was nearing, officials dropped the hint for the first time on September 15, 2004, that all was not going on well with the project. It started having shares of big and problems.

The project completion date was revised to September 2005.

Babar Khan Ghauri on October 21, 2004, he assured the Pakistan authorities that the Port would be ready for operation by December 18, 2004. There were, however, definite indications by now that the project would not be completed before December 2005, nine months behind the schedule and 12 months behind the hopeful schedule.

Confirming the above new completion schedule date, the then** Minister Ports and Shipping Babar Ghouri told the Senate on June 17, 2005 that the development work of the Gwadar port project would be **completed by June 2006 and the inauguration would be held in a befitting manner after its completion.