Re: Guru Nanak Saheb
Satsriakaal.
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Who was he?
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Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born to a Hindu family, but he wasnt a Hindu, just like if my parents are doctors and i was born to them it wouldnt make me a doctor. When Guru Nanak was asked was he a Hindu or a Muslim his reply was that im neither Hindu nor Muslim.
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His origin?
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born in present day Pakistan so thats Indian origin because that was pre-partition time when Bangladesh, Pakistan and India were one.
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Was he a hindu originally? Or a Muslim?
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Thats answered above.
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Did he really performed Hajj, as reported?
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Yes he did go to Hajj and on the rest of his travels to preach the oneness of God... and when he went there because he was tired he fell asleep... (and never done this to disrespect Islam) and the maluvi (i think) shouted who is this infidel pointing his feet towards the house of Allah... and then Guru Nanak Dev Ji replied show me where Allah isn't... and when he moved Guru Nanak Dev Ji's feet... the Kabaah moved aswell. Guru Nanak also visited other sacred places to other faiths such as Haridwar... where Hindus throw water towards the sky to reach there ansestors and Guru Nanak Dev Ji started chucking water towards west... which made the Hindu's laugh and question him why he is doing this... and he replied in the lines of- if water can reach your ansestors in Heaven from here why cant it reach Panjab which is just over there... which made them realise about these rituals are of no avail.
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Did he believe in onness of God even after the start of Sikhism?
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Yup... infact the start of the Sikh scripture begins with IkOnkar Satnaam etc which means theres is only one God, and truth is his name etc. (This was composed by Guru Nanak Dev Ji).
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Why he decided to create a new religion altogether?
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Paaji if you read the history of Guru Nanak Dev Ji as a kid he was really holy and instead of talking gossip to his mates when he was young he use to talk about God to them and always use to praise God there are loads of stories about him as kid. Infact when he was born instead of crying he was laughing and since his parents were Hindus they took him to a pundit (on the day of the birth) who said that Guru Nanak Dev Ji is very holy person and he will adored by both the Muslims and Hindus.
Anyways one day Guru Nanak Dev Ji disappeared for 3 days... this is when Guru Nanak Dev Ji met God... where God told him to preach Sikhi.
Guru Nanak Dev ji also said Im neither Muslim nor Hindu but i will create a third.
If you read the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji theres a verse that Guru Nanak Dev Ji composed which says what ever he is preaching is the result of what God is telling him to preach.
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Was he a good friend of Baba Fareed of PakPattan and other Muslim saints of that time?
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Yes Guru Nanak Dev ji was good friends with Muslim saints such as Bhai Mardana Ji etc. Guru Nanak Dev Ji companied alot of holy people inc Hindus aswell, this because he companied the holy which is important part of Sikhism.
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Did he have good relationship with Hindus?
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Guru Nanak Dev Ji had good relations with everybody he met regardless if they were Hindu, Muslim, Buhuddist and i even think he came across Christians -not too sure on that one though-.
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How much and when Aurangzeb factor came into play in the birth of Sikhism?
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Aurangzeb had nothing to do with the birth of Sikhism.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji what he preached was the same as Guru Nanak Dev Ji preached aswell as the other Guru's teachings. However there was one thing left to preached which was the Khalsa roop (image) which was revelaed to us by the will of God to fight injustice... and so that Sikhs can stand out from the crowd.
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What is the term Khalsa?
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This means the pure, which all baptised Sikhs take on this 'title'.
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What does Khalsa emblem represent?
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The 5 K's.
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Is he buried or was burnt?
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Well the Hindus wanted to cremate him and Muslims bury him... so he said Hindus place flowers on my right and Muslims on my left and he said who evers flowers are fresh in the morning they will have it there way and put a sheet over himself. The next morning both of the flowers were fresh and Guru Nanak was missing... so the Hindu's and Muslims halfed this sheet between themselfs... the Hindu's cremated it and the Muslims buryed the other half of the sheet.
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I have put this in blue because this wasn't part of the original topic.
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Originally Posted by Sheraz CT
^ so what you are saying is that he took good things from both religions and came up with a new religion..and this is how sikhism was born
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pretty much
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Paaji/penji i totally disagree.... by saying this you are suggesting that Guru Nanak Dev Ji just made Sikhi by preaching what he wanted to... which is not true because Guru Nanak Dev Ji preached to us as God had told him to... as this verse suggests:
“Me, the bard out of work, the Lord has applied to His service. In the very beginning He gave me the order to sing His praises night and day. The Master summoned the minstrel to His True Court. He clothed me with the robe of His true honour and eulogy. Since then the True Name had become my ambrosial food. They, who under the Guru’s instruction, eat this food to their satisfaction, obtain peace. By singing the Guru’s hymns, I, the minstrel spread the Lord’s glory. Nanak, by praising the True Name I have obtained the perfect Lord.” (Guru Nanak, Pauri, Ang. 150)
I have read alot of comments about idol worship on this topic... i thought i'd clarify idol worship is forbidded in Sikhism if a Sikh does idol worship thats another matter since this against the teachings of the Guru's. Most Sikhs do have images of the Guru's but they are not to be worshipped as ive already said since they are not God... and the Gurus were just the slaves of God and anyway God is formless without shape or form .
No Sikh worships the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we believe the scriptures to be God inspired since the Guru's were told to recite this by God, but it isnt worshiped since God is formless, these are just praises of the Lord, in how Sikhs communicate with God. But God is formless and we worship God by reciting these verses but not by actually worshipping the scriptures because that would be like idol worshio which is forbided if that makes sense. However i thought id add that some Hindus's do, do aarti of the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and some Hindu's do have pictures of the Guru's and visit Gurdwaras which ive tried to explain at the bottom.
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Guru Nanak was one of the most influential leaders of the sub-continent. He was born to a working Punjabi Khatri family. His views about Islam were not that great- so leave it putter!
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Paaji/ Penji i dont think Guru Nanak's view on Islam was its bad as your suggesting from the above quote because if that was the case then surely Guru Nanak Dev Ji's 6th sucessor wouldnt of built a Mosque for the Muslims (as the Muslims must of needed a place of worship)... infact that got converted to a Gurdwara after 1947 and when the Muslims asked for it cuple of yrs ago... All the Sikhs gave it happily back to the Muslims... even though knowing our Guru had instructed for this building. :)
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People are spreading misinformation about Sikhi here. We are not part of Hindutva, we are Jatts separate from dirty, effeminate skinny idol worshippers.
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Paaji/penji can i just say even though i agree with you that Sikhs are not Hindus... but i think you are misinforming aswell (with no offense) because 'we' are not Jatts... because all Sikhs are not Jatts... white Sikhs are not born to Jatt familys... neither are partrai Sikhs etc. And remember here after 'kisi ne nah tere jaath puchne'. By calling Hindus 'skinny and dirty' is also going against the principles of Sikhi... Seeing the light of God in ALL wether they be Muslim, Hindu, Jew or what ever. And you cant judge a whole group of ppl based on their faith, judge them individually. Because if we judge everyone by groups of faiths or whatever then that will mean innocent ppl of every faith will be labelled by names that they dont deserve. And paaji/penji can i just add that not all Hindu's worship idols... there are sects of Hinduism who are against it.
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Probably a Hindu Mandir where they've put a Guru Granth Sahib because they want to be Sikhs.
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Most likely it's run by Punjabi Khatris, they don't know what they are. Go to a Jatt Gurdwara you wont find any crap in there.
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Paaji/ penji again this is against Sikhi because disrespecting anyone else's faith is against Sikhi.
I agree it could be a Mandir... or it could be a Gurdwara run by Sikhs who are less-knowlegable about Sikhi... i dont agree with the comment that you said because 'they wanna be Sikhs'.
This is because of the fact some Hindus dont 'wanna be Sikhs' they want to place the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the Mandir for a understandable reason:
Some Hindus believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the 24th incarnation of Vishnu (i think) (which is why you will see the Hindu version of Guru Nanak Dev Ji is slighty different as in the fact that the picture has more arms). This is because it was prophecised in the Vedas thousands of years ago that this form of Vishnu will come and he will have a 9 successors (the other 9 Guru's) and a silent stage (which we know as Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji).
The other prophecies include the name Nanak, saying that he will preach 3 attributes (Naam japna, vand ke chakna, and kirat karni). also 2000 yrs ago a Hindu sage Patanjali, talks about that Guru Nanak will be outstanding from the rest of the prophets of the kali yuga (Guru Nanak was adored by everyone who came across him) who will have extra ordinary power and says that Guru Nanak will use a prime mantra called Waheguru which has never been used before in any other era or age.
Here is one of the translated quotes from the Vedas:
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world"
Please dont get me wrong i do not think that even though the Vedas prophecised Guru Nanak is the incarnation of Vishnu, that Sikhs are Hindu's because Guru Nanak Dev Ji tells us that he isnt a Hindu nor Muslim therefore how can Sikhs be Hindus or even Muslim then?
I only 16, so please forgive me for any mistakes and when ive quoted from anyones writings please dont take it as a direct attack against you i was just trying to present the Sikhi view if i think its been wrongly interpretted. And if im wrong in anyway please tell me as i havent got much knowlege but ive only started learning Sikhi since early last year.
Satsriakaal and peace to all of you.
Thanks for accepting my explanation.