Gujrati Muslims are doing Shirk

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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@Sara516

I’m not a religious expert AT ALL, but even I know that this is utter bullshiit. Yes, it’s fine and dandy for two people getting married to have a common background, however there is nothign remotely Islamic about non-Arabs being forbidden for Arabs. This is cultural arrogance at its best

Yep but some people will just want to scrape all the gand-kachra-filth they can on Islam..

[funny_jammies]

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Ok,all this buk buk ... none of you have any arguement to support the hypothesis of shirk by gujjus.

I therefore hereby declare all gujjus totally shirk-free, shirk-resistant and unshirkable.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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^
LOL

Shirk is polytheism..

According to my limited knowledge they’re doing Shirk [literally to ascribe partner (to God)] because Muslims are not supposed to believe “sacred threads”, charms and pendants have the power to protect anyone from harm, only God has that power, such supersitious bollocks is considered polytheism/shirk in Islam, that includes relying on Taweez for protection too which is very common in our country Pakistan…

If they accompany the use of charms with the beleif that it’s God/Allah/Bhagwan (by Bhagwan I don’t mean an idol or person but rather the one, omnipotent, transacendent God) who does the protection and the thread is only a means of getting his protection and does not have any independent powers then it’s probably lesser of a sin but it’s still wrong because you’re inventing something in religion which God has sent no suthority for and you’re immitating another religion which according to Islam makes you one of them (in this case a Hindu) which is just as bad.

I’ve nothing against being friendly towards non-Muslim neighbours/acquaintances and mutual respect despite not agreeing with their ways or fancying them for oneself, there’s other ways of being kind like buying them a box of chocolates now and then or if you bake a nice cake you send them a few slices, you don’t have to start following their religion, if they want to follow it fine don’t impose your ways on them but don’t compromise your own neither.

I know it can be hard for Muslims living amongst non-Muslims, I’m faced with Islamaphobia daily at work, college, in the media like I open The Sun or something and it’s all anti-Islam bollocks, painting us with the same brush… It makes me heave, sick to the stomach sometimes :yukh: sometimes and I know it would be easier to compromise my religion but I’d never do that, I’m nice to everyone and try helping out whoever I can and I don’t belive in killing innocents.. If they can’t accept me for who I am then that’s their problem not mine, I shouldn’t need to give up my religion…

[queer]

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this is the problem with retarded mullahs - they can ramble on for pages, read a gazillion arabi books, yet not notice that the first post doesnt mention gujus celebrating the hindu festival, just manufacturing rakhis.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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Same thing.. they're assisting in polytheismm..

[queer]

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when will pakistanis learn? 4th century arabia is long gone. you can not impose your intolerance of diversity on others.

actually you can, but you have to be arabi, and find a bunch of bakistani rafeeqs to boss around.

[funny_jammies]

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Trying to define God is also haram ... yet day in and day out there are people here and elsewhere trying to do just that.....

[deedawar]

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@rvikz

deedwater who is going identify these people and declare they are non-muslims
for the shirk? local islamic relgious leaders or from pakistan islamic jurists?

Well, whoever is familiar with Islamic rules and there are millions of them.

But what does it matter. Like I mentioned in previous post that its people’s choice and no one is going to stop what they want to do.

If you ask my opinion based on what I know about Islam they are not right in adopting some other eligeous practices.

Now if we can somehow prove with certainty that it has nothing to do with another religeon or or when they are doing these acts they have non-religeous thoughts but a bit of social custom then these acts are fine and dandy. That’s just my opinion.

[deedawar]

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@rvikz

deedwater who is going identify these people and declare they are non-muslims
for the shirk? local islamic relgious leaders or from pakistan islamic jurists?

By the way its Deedawar…not deedwater.

[funny_jammies]

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@deedawar

Well, whoever is familiar with Islamic rules and there are millions of them.

…that is a big problem ddjee - so far the track record of so called “familar with Islamic rules” has been quite dismal and in fact very dangerous to civilians particularly children in a number of places including west bank, Kashmir, London and New York.

How will you distinguish between those holy men who cause such suicide attacks?

[deedawar]

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I think you have one sided mind FJ. Maybe you got a stroke on one side or something.

You have to find problem with any post someone places in favor of Islam with your skewed way of reading.

Are you saying bad acts are done by millions of millions of people who really know what islamic value is and are living peacefully everywhere?

You love to ignore majority of the majority in Islam shouting to the top of their lungs that its not islamic and never been islamic and fatwas are given for those who commit acts against innocent being outside Islam.

You gottabe the biggest dumb in the world who want to believe few bad people but not the vast majority.

Have you really got a hysteria to keep ranting slogans after slogans against muslims based on information you get from your beloved media and stop looking around yourself what really muslims are doing in real world?

In case you have not noticed, they are raising kids, marrying, working hard, going to school, praying in house of worship for all, educating someone and above all jst as scared as anyone in the world from any act of aggression from anyone.

Now same is with any religeous person who is jew/chriatian/hindu or whatever.
Its not the religeon which makes people want to do bad deeds. All teach same basic good values.
Its the minorityof the minority of any so called religeous group who for whatever reason commits terrible acts and get people like you excited!

As far as I am concerned, there is no islamic teaching which would condone any act of aggression against innocent people.

Islam only teaches to use force against acts of aggression or aggressor or in actual war with someone who lifts arms against you. You have all the right to defend you and your family by any means you choose if you and your family is in clear danger.

Now is that unreasonable? Just answer yes or no.

All other acts are not islamic and not part of religeon. People can say or do whatever they want or use religeon in justifying their act it is still not religeous.

You asked me my opinion, I gave you mine.

Read this post three times and try to swallow before you answer... deal?

[expatobserver]

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@Rasheed Ahmed

Br. Basit,

I am not a Wahabi, the only reason I brought the word Shirk because in Hindu religion they believe in several gods, it is possible this RaKhi Bandhan may be an act of one of their gods. Rakhi Bandhan is not a cultural thing but a religious act. I have no problem if Muslims promote harmony through non religious acts. This is a fact many adult Muslims in India/Pakistan lack religious education and right now there is no system to educate Muslims. This ignorance happens when you do not have religious education. It is also a fact that there are many Muslims sects in Gujrat and they have different Aqeeda. May be in their aqeeda, it is not a big things or they lack religious education.

Who told you that crap or did you just make it up? Rakhi bandhan is only a promise a brother who makes to his sister (real or mani huwi) that he will look after her in times of need and protect her. No prayer to any God is involved. Rest assured no Indian muslim is going to stop doing what he does bcause you ignorant ones bray and howl.

[deedawar]

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Yes, indian/Bharati/hindustani muslims are scared. Unless they do these silly acts they fear being killed next time in another riot....in few months.

[Sadiyah]

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And what's the use of digging up such an old thread?

[deedawar]

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^Thats what i was curious for. Perhaps it better off closed. Just a suggestion.

[Thaqib]

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It is best to consult a scholar on this issue. Since Sunni scholars have ruled that it is forbidden for Muslims to participate in diwali etc celebrations by pagans such as Hindus, I would not be surprised that the ruling of participating in the rakhi ritual might turn out to be illegal too.

Thaqib

[expatobserver]

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Thaqib,

Where is the morality in what you are saying? There is no prayer or anything in rakhi bandhan. read my post again. It is just a promise by a brother to a sister to help her and protect her. You have problem with that? Lya aapka aur aapki behnka jhagda hooa kya? How is it unislamic to promise your sister that you will protect her? Or in your books nothing that a Hindu does can be good?

[Blitzkrieg]

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@Lahore 981

Right. Agree. There are multiple things Muslims adopted to parallel those of Hindus. They took up different customs and deformed them to another identity. The sufies were elevated to a higher level and there the “Shirk” started by asking help from them or considering peole who would recommend to Allah.

Read the book

Muslims in India
by
Zahir Ahmad (2003)

Page 29:** Indianization of Islam**
Page 30:** Qawalis and Bhajans**
Page 31:** Moharram vs Dasara**

It is quite informative how Muslims got influenced by Hindu rituals.

How is qawali shirk?

[Blitzkrieg]

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@rvikz

Due to the above, the Fuqahaa (Jurists) have stated that among Arabs, a non-Quraishi male is not a match (Kuf) for a Quraishi woman, nor can any person of non-Arab descent be a match for a woman of Arab descent.

For example, the Sayyids, whether Siddique or Farooque, Uthmaani or Alawi, or belonging to some other branch can never be matched by any person not sharing their lineage, no matter his profession and family status. These families (Sayyids, etc.) are suitable matches for one another, since they share descent from the Quraishi tribe. Thus, marriages between themselves are correct and permitted without any condition as appearing in Darrul Mukhtaar:

‘… And Kafaa’at in lineage. Thus the Quraysh are suitable matches for one another as are the (other) Arabs suitable matches for one another.’

The ruling relevant to non-Arabs is as follows: ‘An Ajmi (non-Arab) cannot be a match for a woman of Arab descent, no matter that he be an Aalim (religious scholar) or even a Sultan (ruling authority). This is the correct view.)

http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/kafaat.htm

^ Don’t show your typical indian mentality!

As long as one is a practicing muslim, he/she can marry another practicing muslim whoever he/she may be. Nationalities, ethnicities, race don’t matter!

[rvikz]

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