Guess Who's Coming to Diwali

Guess Who’s Coming to Diwali
My traditional Indian parents won’t accept my white girlfriend. What can I do?
Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008, at 6:53 AM ET

Dear Prudence,
I am a 25-year-old Indian-American who has been in this country since I was 5. I started dating a Caucasian classmate four and a half years ago in college. The romance bloomed, and we are still together. She is kind, loving, beautiful, and a great inspiration. I see us together for the rest of our lives. There is only one problem: My parents are very traditional Indians and have told me since I was a young boy that they wanted me to have an arranged marriage, and if I did “bring home an American girl” that they would disown me. After two years, I told them about the relationship, and they were rightfully hurt and upset I’d kept it a secret. They say now that they were “joking” about disowning me and that I should have come to them. But it is close to three years later, and my girlfriend has still never met my parents. I greet holidays with a sense of dread because I feel pulled in two different directions. Even when I bring her up in conversation, they quickly change the subject or just walk away. They say that my relationship is just “a phase” and that I will “come to my senses.” I also feel a sense of embitterment from my girlfriend for being completely shunned by her potential in-laws. My parents have told me that they will accept my girlfriend when we become engaged, but by then I fear that their attempt to build bridges will be too little, too late. I know that my parents love me and want the best for me, but is there anything I can do to unharden their hearts?

—Curry and French Fries

Dear Curry,
In 1922, a play debuted on Broadway called Abie’s Irish Rose, about a Jewish boy and Catholic girl who marry, much to the distress of both their parents (an issue still being played out today). Your parents are only the latest wave of immigrants wanting to experience the freedom and opportunity of America, while making sure their children don’t use this freedom and opportunity to find a spouse outside their religion, race, or ethnicity. Your parents have been sending you wildly mixed messages: They say, You will be disowned if you don’t take an Indian wife. Then they tell you, Oh, we were just kidding. They say, You should have told us about your girlfriend! But their behavior says, We’re going to keep pretending she doesn’t exist. Now they say, We’ll get to know her when you get engaged. But if you do, I think you’ll find they really mean, Get engaged, and we’ll stick our heads in the tandoor. While it’s wonderful you have respect and deference for your parents, you are 25 years old and have been with this woman for almost five years—you are even contemplating marrying her. So you must insist to your parents that the next time you come home for the holidays, you are bringing your girlfriend along. Explain that while you don’t know exactly what the future will bring vis-à-vis your relationship, you can no longer stand to be torn in opposite directions by the people in your life whom you love the most.

—Prudie

Source: Advice on manners and morals (April 24, 2008).


I’m not posting this article to discuss the effects of an inter racial marriage/relationship — we can if you guys want to.
But my interst is in the response-- how many of you agree with “prudie” and how many of you think she’s just a shallow amreekan who doesn’t understand that desi family structure. When they say they’ll put there hands in the tandoor-- they damn right will!

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dont you mean Hanukkah?

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:rolleyes:

I didnt write the article or its title…
you’re missing the point of discussion here..

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i would say yes..."prudie" doesnt understand....this reminds of that film "The namesake"!!!

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:hehe:

actually it reminded me too - but you know in that movie the parents were right, It was just a phase…

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I would say if both are willing and enthusiastic enough to discover new horizons than why not. I think even as a society if we want to keep on evolving into a much healthier society, than we need it. It will help us adopt much better norms and traditions. It will also build patience for other cultures and people that as a society we lack.

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interesting i just read that article in msn this morning. But yeah he needs to move on, his parents need to give her a chance at least. You can't judge someone without even meetng them.

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what is the point? can I know with out reading article?

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I agree with you all but I thought the response was very insensitive--
she's all about the Indian parents accepting the White girl but what about the white authore respecting the Indian parents?

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Oh...my bad. ok ill post an on topic response later.

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I don't see how the author is being insensitive to Indian culture - her expression "stick their heads in a tandoor" is the equivalent to "sticking their heads in the sand", i.e. continuing to ignore the girl even after engagement. Would you prefer that she tell him "sacrifice for the sake of your parents, beta"? She was absolutely correct in pointing out that this is not the first immigrant group to face this dilemma (the play she mentioned is wonderful, but was incredibly controverisal when it was written).

The girl and boy have been in a relationship for five years, and he is seriously contemplating marriage to her. The author is absolutely correct in pointing out that parents are more than happy to reap all of the benefits of living in America, but only as long as their children don't want to select their spouses.

What choice does he have but to insist that they meet his girlfriend? Without getting into the haraam/halal aspect of this relationship (we don't know whether this person is even muslim), desi parents need to understand that their children are not only Indian/Pakistani, and cannot be expected to blindly follow those cultural values.

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I don't know about that.

I think "stick their heads in a tandoor" is supposed to be the funny Indian equivalent of "stick their heads in the oven" ie kill themselves.

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I don’t think it was “just a phase”, I think it was just the wrong girl, or perhaps the wrong timing - he didn’t have any more success with his Bengali wife, if you remember.

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I don't think that's what she meant at all - she meant that they are ignoring the situation, i.e., sticking their heads in the sand, and was trying to be witty by substituting the word tandoor for sand or other object.

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I interpreted it differently...I think she meant that they would be overly dramatic again (like they were when they threatened to disown him), and that if the relationship progressed to an engagement, they would figuratively 'threaten suicide' (meaning, they would express extreme displeasure)...

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amana jaani why are you taking it so personally.
I do remmeber that he didn't have any luck with his bengali wife -- but she was shown to be more american then any of the other characters.

And I'm not responding to the relationship at all -- personally to each his own.
I didnt like the condescending manner the response carried.

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Muniya, I take it personally because I can truly sympathize with the questioner, and I didn't feel that the author was being condescending, I think her advice was misinterpreted. His parents do need to wake up and accept the girl that their son has apparently chosen as his life partner. I've been in this situation, we did everything according to Islam and yet more than 15 years later I still turn a blind eye to his parents insults. I understand that it is difficult for a parent to accept that their child will marry into a different race, but if you truly do not want that for your child, then you shouldn't settle outside of your own country, because if you do, that will always be a possibility. It is heartbreaking to be ostracized by your husband's parents, and to see your children being treated as lesser beings than their cousins - simply because you belong to another race.

Most white Americans (I am one) have no idea of the desi parents' proclivity towards threatening suicide when they don't get their way, so I can't imagine that this is what she meant. I personally was too mortified to EVER mention this threat to my own friends and family. A legitimate advise columnist would never joke about suicide.

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I agree with Amana 100% on "stick heads under sand".

He is a 25 year old who has been in a relationship for 5 years! His thinks his parents are unreasonable and so do I. Prudie is right on the money.

Why the heck should the author have any respect for racist people? Not that I see anything disrespectful in her reply.

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I'm not arguing this anymore.

"Sticking one's head in the oven" is a fairly common American slang expression, and it means what I said (a hyperbolic expression for expressing extreme distaste/displeasure). If she meant to say "sticking ones head in the sand" then she chose an extremely stupid & tasteless word to make it sound "more Indian."

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this is slightly off topic, but worth bringing up b/c its interpretation changes the tone of the author's response: when prudie said "stick their heads into the tandoor" i assumed she was substituting for the word oven, which does make the tone a bit condescending
if she wanted to create a witty substitute for the 'sticking their heads into the sand expression', she should have chosen a better word!
personally, for me these situations come down to halal/ haram, so as long as both are muslim, race should not matter