Guardian alleges to have found Mumbai gunman in Pakistan!

apparently traced to near Okara in Punjab if true things are gonna get messy!

Mumbai terrorist came from Pakistan, local villagers confirm | World news | The Observer
Revealed: home of Mumbai’s gunman in Pakistan village | World news | The Observer
Since the terrorist attacks in Mumbai 10 days ago, speculation has been rife about the birthplace of the lone surviving gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab. India and Pakistan have clashed over reports that he came from the Punjab. Saeed Shah, after spending days travelling throughout the region, tracked down the killer’s home - and his grandfather - and found conclusive proof of his identitySaeed Shah The Observer, Sunday December 7 2008 Article historyThe little house was certainly that of a poor family, with a courtyard to one side and a small cart propped up in one corner. The old man and middle-aged woman who answered the door were not the owners. No, they insisted, the owners were away.

‘They’ve gone to a wedding,’ said the old man, identifying himself as Sultan. He was, he said, Amir’s father-in-law. So, that would make him Ajmal’s grandfather? At last, it seemed, this was the right place.

It had taken days to get to Faridkot, a small, dirt-poor village in Pakistan’s Punjab province. More than a week after the arrest of the only Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist taken alive during the terror strike on Mumbai, so little was still known about him. His name, for instance. Was he Mohammed Amin Kasab, Azam Amir Kasav? Or was he Mohammed Ajmal Amir? The name Kasai in fact means he would hail from a butcher community - that would be his caste. But it was recorded as Kasav, then later Kasab. The discrepancies reportedly stemmed from the fact that the Mumbai police officers who first questioned him were Marathi speakers and unable to communicate with the south Punjab resident in anything other than Hindi patois.

And where exactly was he from? Faridkot is what he told his interrogators, but this is a common village name. There were four candidates in the Punjab region.

Days of trying to establish which was the right one had led to a Faridkot near the Indian border, outside a town called Depalpur. The nearest city was Okara. It seemed to fit. And it was at this Faridkot that Ajmal’s father was believed to live.

Initially villagers were unhelpful. No, said those approached, there was no one known here of that name. Even shown a photograph of Ajmal taken during the Mumbai siege, all swore they did not recognise him. The mayor was clear. ‘There is a man who came to see me called Amir Kasab, who was worried,’ said Ghulam Mustafa Wattoo. ‘He told me that the Ajmal on the news was not his boy. That boy’s gone away to work. There’s no extremist network here.’

Was this another dead end?

As the villagers were questioned, the confusions appeared to multiply. Finally the name Mohammed Ajmal Amir, son of Mohammed Amir Iman, who ran a food stall, emerged.

At other Faridkots, including one near the town of Khanewal, villagers had been friendly and helpful, proffering tea as they shook their heads. ‘No. Not from here,’ they said. For a while, it appeared that this Faridkot would also prove a wasted journey. The mayor said there had been no local police investigation, suggesting that the authorities did not view this place with suspicion. But, over time, inconsistencies in the villagers’ accounts heightened suspicion that this was the place. ‘He [Amir] has lived here for a few years,’ said one villager, Mohammad Taj. ‘He has three sons and three daughters.’

Noor Ahmed, a local farmer, said: ‘Amir had a stall he pushed around, sometimes here, sometimes elsewhere. He was a meek man, he wasn’t particularly religious. He just made ends meet and didn’t quarrel with anyone.’

Still the picture was confusing. While sometimes confirming that Amir did live in the village, and had a son called Ajmal, on other occasions locals claimed to know nothing.

Finally one villager confirmed what was going on: ‘You’re being given misinformation. We’ve all known from the first day [of the news of the terrorist attack] that it was him, Ajmal Amir Kasab. His mother started crying when she saw his picture on the television.’

Attempts to meet Amir, the father, however, were not to be successful. Villagers eventually told us that he and his wife, Noor, had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week.

‘Ajmal used to go to Lahore for work, as a labourer,’ continued the villager who feared being named. ‘He’s been away for maybe four years. When he came back once a year, he would say things like, “We are going to free Kashmir.”’

Wresting the whole of Kashmir from Indian rule is Lashkar-e-Taiba’s aim. Ajmal had little education, according to locals. But it is still unclear whether he was radicalised in the village or once he had left to work elsewhere.

It is said that from the age of 13 he was shuttled between his parents’ house and that of a brother in Lahore. If he did indeed speak fluent English, as claimed in Indian press reports, he would have had to have learnt that after he left the village.

But the villager who turned whistleblower said that local religious clerics were brainwashing youths in the area and that Lashkar-e-Taiba’s founder, Hafiz Sayeed, had visited nearby Depalpur, where there were ‘hundreds’ of supporters. There was a Lashkar-e-Taiba office in Depalpur, but that had been hurriedly closed in the past few days. The Lashkar-e-Taiba newspaper is distributed in Depalpur and Faridkot. Depalpur lies in the south of Punjab province, an economically backward area long known for producing jihadists.

Shown a picture of Ajmal, the villager confirmed that he was the former Faridkot resident, who had last visited the village a couple of months ago at the last festival of Eid.

Some locals have claimed that this Faridkot, and another poor village nearby called Tara Singh, are a recruitment hotbed for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group accused of carrying out the Mumbai attack. On the side of a building, just outside Faridkot, is graffiti that says: ‘Go for jihad. Go for jihad. Markaz Dawat ul-Irshad.’ MDI is the parent organisation of Lashkar-e-Taiba. In Depalpur, a banner on the side of the main street asks people to devote goatskins to Jamaat ud Dawa, another MDI offshoot.

Tara Singh is home to a radical madrasa - Islamic school - and there is another hardline seminary in nearby Depalpur. The nazim (mayor) of Tara Singh, Rao Zaeem Haider, said: ‘There is a religious trend here. Some go for jihad, but not too many.’

Some reports emerging in India suggest that Ajmal may have joined Lashkar -e-Taiba less because of his Islamist convictions but in the hope that the jihad training he would receive would help to further the life of crime upon which he had already embarked. But once inside Lashkar’s base, his world-view began to change.

Here, films on India’s purported atrocities in Kashmir and heated lectures by fiery preachers led him to believe in Lashkar’s cause. It has also been said that, when he was chosen for the Lashkar basic combat training, he performed so well that he was among a group of 32 men selected to undergo advanced training at a camp near Manshera, a course the organisation calls the Duara Khaas.

And finally, it seems, he was among an even smaller group selected for specialised commando and navigation training given to the fedayeen unit selected to attack Mumbai.

The authorities may now attempt to deny that Ajmal’s parents live in Faridkot, but, according to some locals, they have been there for some 20 years. But by the end of our visit, a crucial piece of evidence had been gained. The Observer has managed to obtain an electoral roll for Faridkot, which falls under union council number 5, tehsil (area) Depalpur, district Okara. The list of 478 registered voters shows a ‘Mohammed Amir’, married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir’s national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor’s is 3530157035058.

That appears to be the last piece of the jigsaw. A man called Amir and his wife, Noor, do live in Faridkot, official records show. They have a son called Ajmal.

Following our last visit to Faridkot, the mayor, Wattoo, announced via the loudspeaker at the mosque that no one was to speak to any outsiders. By yesterday, Pakistani intelligence officials had descended in force on Faridkot. Locals, speaking by telephone, said a Pakistani TV crew and an American journalist had been roughed up and run out of town. It appeared that the backlash had begun.

Re: Guardian alleges to have found Mumbai gunman in Pakistan!

If this is true, things are going to hit the fan.

My only question, is this a credible newspaper?

or another crap, full of B.s. indian newspaper?

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the 'bhola' people of gupshup are it seems the last to get any news, times of India has reported this with the names of his parents and siblings a couple of days back.

Two questions regarding the proof of the man. Firstly where did the ID information come from? More specifically when the Indian's say that this man is who they say he is. Where did they get the information on him? I mean the last thing any trained operative on such matters is going to do is walk around with his ID card in his pocket.

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When you catch a guy alive, you can make him talk. No matter the training, there is only so much beating a guy can take before he "sings."

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So now war.....................

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“We were told that our big brother India is so rich and we are dying of poverty and hunger. My father sells dahi wada on a stall in Lahore and we did not even get enough food to eat from his earnings. I was promised that once they knew that I was successful in my operation, they would give Rs 1,50,000 [almost USD 4,000] to my family),”

“Please do not tell anyone that I am caught alive otherwise they will kill me. They had told us that they would shoot us even if we returned to Pakistan,”

ABC News: Mumbai Terrorist Wanted to ‘Kill and Die’ and Become Famous

Family belongs to Qasai caste. Father, Mohd Amir Iman, runs dahi-puri snack cart, mother, Noori Tai, looks after a ramshackle home Ajmal is one of 5 children. Eldest brother , Afzal, 25, works as a labourer in Lahore, lives near Yadgar Minar. Sister, Rukaiyya Husain, 22, is married in the village.

Then comes Ajmal. Sister, Suraiyya, 14, and brother Munir, 11, still at home Ajmal’s poor father can’t keep him in the local government primary school. In 2000, 13-yr-old Ajmal , who has done just class 4, is sent off to his brother Afzal in Lahore .

The elder brother, then 17, hardly has the means to look after his young brother Ajmal shuttles between Lahore and Faridkot village. In 2005, fights with his father and leaves home, saying he won’t return . Not welcome in Afzal’s house either.

Stays at the shrine of holy man Syed Ali Hajveri. Like his elder brother, starts working as labourer Finds the work degrading. Gets attracted to petty crime. With friend Muzaffar Lal Khan, launches new career in armed robberies . On Dec 21, 2007, Bakr-Eid day, they go to Rawalpindi to buy weapons It’s here that they run into activists of Jamaat-ud-Dawa - Lashkar-e-Taiba’s political wing - handing out pamphlets about their organization. After a brief chat, the duo sign up - not because of their conviction but for the training they might get. That, they feel, would further their career in crime Reach LeT’s base camp, Markaz Taiba.

It’s here that Ajmal starts getting influenced by films on India’s “atrocities” in Kashmir, by impassioned speeches by preachers, including LeT chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed. Starts believing it might be worth sacrificing his worthless life for glory of Islam The camp gives him a sense of belonging that he never had in his family . When he comes home during a 2-month breaks finds he is suddenly being treated with respect by his family and community kin After this break, Ajmal chosen for for LeT’s basic combat course , Daura Aam.

Does well and is chosen with small group of 32 for advanced training, Daura Khaas, at a camp near Manshera. Does well here too Selected for high-skill marine commando and navigation training, specially imparted to the team of 10 fidayeen team, chosen to attack Mumbai.

At 4.15 am, on Nov 23, Ajmal with the unit, sail off from a forlorn creeknear Karachi, each equipped with AK-47 s, 200 rounds of ammo and grenades Just before his departure, LeT military commander Zaki-ur-Rahman Lakhvi promised Ajmal a reward of Rs 1.5 lakh to his family for his sacrifice in the cause of Islam

Captured Terrorist: Ajmal Amir Kasav tells his story- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

The question I have is whether the Indian government will ‘officially’ share the information with Pakistani authorities, or will the captured terrorist tell his story to the the media as above for Pakistani authorities to read off the GS or other sites?

We are not dealing with secret agents here, these are simply brain-washed scum of earth who just wanted to change everything they do not see fit into their sick system. Down with extremists !

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So everytime we get more proof of Pakistani Involvement the FIRST thing that my pakistani brothers think is "How do we refute this? What questions can be asked against this"

You just DONT WANT to believe it. Such is the extreme nature of denial.

[note] No personal attacks!!! [/note]

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oh! the drama!

NDTV has published more information about the captured terrorist. While I am sure our friends will brush it aside even without going through it (state of denial again), but I am posting it nonetheless.

Ajmal Amir Qasab: The making of a terrorist

Qasab: The coordinates

Name: Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab

Father: Mohammed Amir Imam Qasab

Occupation: Dahi Puri stall

Mother: Noor-e-Tai

Address: Village Faridkot, Dipalpur Tehsil, Okara district

Uncles: Nazir residing at Chamiayya Chisti, Lakhirpur Road and Manzoor residing at Safawala Chowk, Lahore

Qasab: The early years

Qasab said that he studied till class 4 at a government primary school and went to Lahore in 2000 after leaving school. He then stayed with brother Afzal in galli number 54, room number 12, mohalla, Toit Abad, near Yadgar Minar, Lahore.

He said he did labour jobs at different places till 2005. In 2005, he had quarrel with my father and left home. He said, he went to Ali Hajveri Darbar at Lahore, for a home for runaway boys.

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He's 100% pakistani from punjab and an LeT brainwashed jihadi.

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^^ NO! He is RAW agent financed by CIA and MOSSAD. Hindu Zionist have planned this to defame Pakistan :)

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I think the Indians must have confused his name for his caste. Unlike Hindus, Muslims usually do not use their caste or biraadri as their last names. There are some exceptions but overwhelmingly Pakistanis do not use caste based last names.

"Qasai" means he is from the butcher caste and I doubt his name on any record will contain that word.

BTW, I think Indians are in denial about local involvement here. I bet you that for every attacker, there were two people providing logistical support. I have not been to Mumbai but have heard it resembles Karachi somewhat. If it is anything like KHI, no foreigner can come in with any maps and get to where he needs to go.

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^^ I agree @ local involvement. The cancer of jihadi terrorism has spread amongst some Indian muslims as well. A lot of Indians might still be in denial but the truth is that home grown jihadis very much exist. However most of them do go to Pakistan to get trained so we hope you can help us shut these places down. Besides jihadis we also have some hindu and naxal terrorist that could pose problems in the future however right now the jihadis are the big one to kill.

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^^ Pakistan's connection to Indian Muslim groups is exaggerated. You do not need much motivation from outside when your chief minister is a genocide perpetrator and when Hindu fascists get away with murder, literally. India needs to understand that its "secular" and "democratic" claims need to be shown in reality.

Can you blame having suspicion after Samjhota Express event?