Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
^ Every time the Israelis carry out a civilian massacre they justify it by saying it was a mistake. The fact that neither the Israelis nor their supporters have the slightest inclination to blame the trigger happy IDF for their indiscriminate killings is breath taking. Accountability amongst the Israeli supporters is at stunningly low levels.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Somebody said it right once, if you can't beat them then win them.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Please please please learn to read so that I do not waste my time 'splaining things to you.
Launch areas for rockets are valid military targets anywhere in the world. Israel has the right to defend itself against these rockets. Are you a man? How many rockets could I fire against your children each morning before I retaliated with massive superior fire power.
THEN to cry about casualties when your brothers are launching rockets *daily *is the height of ignorance.
Face it, the Palestinians have lost. They are just too stupid to get it. So they will continue, relying soley on propaganda to attempt to sway opinion. If Arafat had cut a deal, there would be peace, prosperity, health and a vibrant economy. But Arafat needed a few more years of treasury looting so the Intifada was created. That meant that Arafat never again held elections because he could always blame someone else for his failures.
Political Accuntability is an Oxymoron in Muslim lands. So long as some idiot blames the Jews or the Americans he can get away with anything. And you guys allow it. Pity.
While you are dancing silly dances about Bush's election results, you *never *hold your own leaders to account for their own faliures. Perpetual Intifada-Jihad digs a deeper and deeper Global hole for Muslims. More misery more failure more poverty more ignorance.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
If you can first learn to put yourself in someone's shoes then you can go on teaching me why someone would retaliate and bomb 'valid target points'. To Palestinians, each Israeli is an occupier, part of oppression and what not, go figure. I don't think there's much 'splaining needed, mucho gracias.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
And to Israelis the Palestinians are part of the Arab world who on *three *occasions initiated wars with massively superior numbers against Israel to exterminate it. Put yourself in those shoes. Israel is surrounded on all sides by enemies, pretty oppressive eh?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Exactly...
Israel had no intention of occupying West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, Golan or Sinai...
When Arabs attacked it in 1967, it fought back and took over these territories and gave some of them up in exchange for peace such as Sinai to Egypt.
But when Hamas pledges to destroy Israel, what incentive is there for Israel to give up these territories?
By giving up these territories, Israel will be under a major strategic threat as the border will only be 10km from Tel Aviv. If Hamas and others pledge to recognize Israel's right to exist and guarantee Israeli security then Israel will withdraw.
If not, Israel can continue its operations because it knows the people on the otherside want to destroy it so then why should it restraint it self?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
when your country is divided by external forces and some part is given to a small minority then I'll ask you how you feel... until then the running around circles will continue.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
If rockets really are going into israel from palestine i guess its because of the gunships that bomb civillians below in the first place, and the rockets that do go into so called israeli territory are targeted at israeli military targets unlike israeli troops who target civillians.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Israel had no intention of occupying West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, Golan or Sinai...
When Arabs attacked it in 1967, it fought back and took over these territories and gave some of them up in exchange for peace such as Sinai to Egypt.
But when Hamas pledges to destroy Israel, what incentive is there for Israel to give up these territories?
By giving up these territories, Israel will be under a major strategic threat as the border will only be 10km from Tel Aviv. If Hamas and others pledge to recognize Israel's right to exist and guarantee Israeli security then Israel will withdraw.
If not, Israel can continue its operations because it knows the people on the otherside want to destroy it so then why should it restraint it self?
Hay "point dexter" how was israel achieved in the first place? Terrorism sponsored from the west. Also nearly all of the so called israelis are actually of european/arabic descent! I met an israeli muslim, but people like him are refferred to as arabs because they are muslim! And also they have no rights in thier own country! 40% of Israel is muslim yet they have no rights whatsoever. And get it through your thick indented skull the arabs never attacked anyone, they responded. The only people they attacked were the turks with british help and look where it got them!
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
maybe the fact it was the Islamic Jihad who continued to fire rockets into Israel after Israel made a peace deal with Hamas and after withdrawing from Gaza makes no difference to you?
Israel then struck back at Islamic Jihad and Hamas then joined Islamic Jihad and ended the peace treaty
So whose fault is it ?
Read carefully and answer
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
40% of Israel is muslim?
LOL....
that has to be the ridicilous post ever on Gupshup
Keep it up, you might top yourself again...
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
If you actually bothered to read my post i was speaking in the past tense, wasnt i mentioning the arab wars, turks being attacked and creation of israel? Your right in one sense though, the jews have made life very difficult for israeli muslims to live comfortably so many have had to leave and lose many things in exchange for freedom to practise Islam. Today theres only something like 22% percent left (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D509DA89-6A57-48A2-8F5E-E118637DDDFD.htm) who continue to suffer oppression. About the “making yourself a fool” part, you seem to be doing a good job of it! lolz!!!
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Nice to see you have some originality in your come backs…
As for Israel making a living hell for Israeli Arabs. Maybe the fact that every single sucide bombing in Israel occured with help from Israeli Arabs doesnt make a difference to you?
Lets see how Pakistanis would react that if Balochi terrorits blew themselves up in Lahore and Karachi with help of Balochis living in Lahore and Karachi.
How would the people or government react?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Israel then struck back at Islamic Jihad and Hamas then joined Islamic Jihad and ended the peace treaty
So whose fault is it ?
Read carefully and answer
Dont worry about me reading carefully and answering, worry about yourself. Are you for real? It was the israelis who broke the peace treaty FREQUENTLY including flying in palestinian airspace, driving into palestinian land, shooting supposed freedom fighters dead but actually shooting civillians dead e.g a 9 year old boy, getting involved with palestinian politics, deliberately halting/delaying palestinian supplies deliberately, cutting thier power stations off, and then having the nerve to blame hamas once shelling a palestinian family, after which tests showed it was an israeli shell. The palestinians broke the treaty when they thought enough is enough and captured an israeli soldier and fired at others.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
As for Israel making a living hell for Israeli Arabs. Maybe the fact that every single sucide bombing in Israel occured with help from Israeli Arabs doesnt make a difference to you?
Lets see how Pakistanis would react that if Balochi terrorits blew themselves up in Lahore and Karachi with help of Balochis living in Lahore and Karachi.
How would the people or government react?
Dont compare the situation of palestine and israel to internal pakistani problems. The problem in pakistan was that gas was being taken out of balouchistan yet the balouchis had little for themselves. This did not give bugti the reason to do what he did. That scoundral wanted balouchistan separate for himself to rule and own especially the gas and other precious items which america is also very aware of, after he wasnt getting the type of corruption money he was after. He is actually not a native to balouchistan either and was turning loads of uneducated people against the army for his own personal gains. He was backed by america in nearby afghanistan who were supplying him with some of the latest weaponary. Many of our jawans were unfortunately killed by this sinister thing. The point is we should try to build bigger bridges between ourselves and balouchis and to be fair they deserve more gas for thier own consumption, rather than a bit whilst the rest just gets pumped out everywhere else.
The israeli muslims dont have much privacy and are closely watched and monitored, often using spys acting as arabs (or actual arabs who are getting paid). Dont give me this nonscense that they were bombing israel. It was the palestinians who did the bombings because they were being bombed...
LOL! You seem dumbfounded bro! Cat got your tongue?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
No, it’s even simpler than that. Kill more Israeli civilians than the Israeli’s do Palestinians. Only then will you see the Israeli scum stop their terrorism.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
The should fire more rockets and kill more Israeli civilians, double the amount.