Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
lets have some movement from the israellis. they've had 50years+. the intifadas come and go but no peace. just settlements and a dwindling palestine. theres ways to make extreme politicians, israel knows the procedure extremely well.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Right here:
Analysis: Why wasn’t the air force used to counter Qassams?
By [EMAIL=“[email protected]”]Ze’ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent
Israel Defense Forces intelligence officials confirmed on Thursday in their testimony to the investigating committee that the Qassam rockets fired at Ashkelon the day before the artillery fire on Palestinian civilians in Beit Hanun was aimed at children on their way to school in the morning, and therefore had to be disrupted.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/786182.html
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Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Thank you OG for diverting again. Now coming back to the original article posted, please answer the question I asked earlier, gracias.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
It was a "technical failure." Only U.S. and Israel can get away this kind of explanation over and over again.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Huh?
The Israelis were shelling that morning to disrupt plans to launch Qassam rockets from those areas that had been used in the prior few mornings to aim the Qassams at a nearby town at precisely the time children are arriving at school. I was not diverting a thing. You cannot accept that this accident happened as a result of a nearly constant barrage of rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.
Look it up, there have been nearly thousands of these rockets fired over the past few years. How many rockets could I fire into *your *village before yo defended yourself. Now the Gazans are ginning up huge demonstrations, when they should be controlling the militants firing the rockets. If someone was firing at my neighborhood, and I had the artillery, I would give a Palestinian town an hour to depart, then level the town. But I am sure in the same situation you would pitty the Palestinians who were bombarding your town, and attempt to understand their "root causes".
It's simple, the moment the rockets stop, then the Israelis stop. Is that too dificult to understand?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
^Lemme ask you another question, how many lands do you have to occupy and how many people do you have to oppress for one of them to start firing rockets into your land?
I guess this is what happens when Palestinian lands are surrounded by Israeli settlements.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
One of Hamas Qassam rockets blew up prematurely in a Hamas Parade killing 20+ people in Gaza last year
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
So Hamas is a superpower when it comes to military, and it had a technical failure when several artillery shells were fired into a residential area? I'm just waiting for a U.S. President who has enough balls to stop blindly defending and supporting Israel, then we will have at least a chance for peace in that area, not to mention raise Americas status in the world.
Ohioguy, u really think the Palestinians will get their land and their freedom by not doing anything to at least get attention (not condoning all activities), if the root cause is not addressed, how will there ever be peace. I mean who will pressure Israel to do anything? No one. Just look at all the history of people being oppressed, did they just sit back and do nothing.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
When the oppression stops, the rockets will stop.
Is that too difficult to understand?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Is that too difficult to understand?
can u guarantee that if oppression stops the rocket will stop?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Why don't we all understand what our learned friends are trying to tell us, It is always the fault of the Palestinians, never the IDF trigger happy cowards, even when Israel has accepted the blame some here would like to tell Israel that what do they know, they were not wrong.
Yup it was the fault of the Palestinians.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
The Israelis were shelling that morning to disrupt plans to launch Qassam rockets from those areas that had been used in the prior few mornings to aim the Qassams at a nearby town at precisely the time children are arriving at school. I was not diverting a thing. You cannot accept that this accident happened as a result of a nearly constant barrage of rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.
so are you are saying that the Israeli PM is lying about the 'technical failure'?
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
would my personal guarantee work?
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Is that too difficult to understand?
Israel withdrew from all of it's settlements in Gaza *unilaterally. *That is the largest step possible towards peace that Israel could have taken. The olive branch was extended. Show me *anything *that the Palestinians have done to promote peace.
The "New Muslim" way of thinking is that they never have to compromise. If they are brutal enough, determined enough, last long enough, they can get everything they want. Everybody can wage Jihad, everyone has forgotten how to wage peace.
So the Palestinians launch rockets daily, inviting retaliation, then when the retaliation goes wrong they have a propaganda bonanza to regalvanize the lemming cannon fodder population in Gaza. Great strategy, and you guys swallow it hook line and sinker.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
^ Just because Israel says that Palestinians launched rockets you guys accept it eagerly hook line and sinker and everything else. You guys show great understanding of international affairs - whatever Israel says is right, they never lie. Yeah ever seen pigs fly.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Israel still has 400,000 settlers in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It has not withdrawn from any of these to date, so it’s Nazi-like oppression and occupation of the Palestinian people continues, but they will never defeat them.
After Israel’s defeat at the hands of Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Jews will be more desperate and murderous against the Palestinian people, but in the end they will be defeated again.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
Man, do I have to explain everything to you? Read a paper.
The Israeli artillery assault was something called "area denial". They had identified an area that on two prior mornings had been used as a launch area for Qassim rockets. So that morning they bombarded that open area to deny the Palestinians an area from which to launch rockets. The artillery piece had been used for nearly 20 years. A log of the accuracy of each artillery piece is kept for maintenance purposes, and the shell accuracy is tracked by radar. That artillery piece had an historical accuracy of 25 meters, that is a CPE or Circular Probability of Error. The misfire of this artillery piece was apparently off 500 meters, due to a radar miscalibration. That is the "technical error".
And, by the way, the Palestinians have shot over 4000 rockets at civilian areas *with no military installations nearby whatsoever. *So let's *please *not try to take the moral high ground when every damn rocket is aimed at civilians.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
The Israeli artillery assault was something called "area denial". They had identified an area that on two prior mornings had been used as a launch area for Qassim rockets. So that morning they bombarded that open area to deny the Palestinians an area from which to launch rockets. The artillery piece had been used for nearly 20 years. A log of the accuracy of each artillery piece is kept for maintenance purposes, and the shell accuracy is tracked by radar. That artillery piece had an historical accuracy of 25 meters, that is a CPE or Circular Probability of Error. The misfire of this artillery piece was apparently off 500 meters, due to a radar miscalibration. That is the "technical error".
And, by the way, the Palestinians have shot over 4000 rockets at civilian areas *with no military installations nearby whatsoever. *So let's *please *not try to take the moral high ground when every damn rocket is aimed at civilians.
No, I am not trying to set 'moral high ground' for anyone, I see no difference in IDF or Hamas or whoever is shelling as being terrorists, do you?
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“It was not a planned attack,” Mr Olmert told a business conference. “It was a technical failure of the Israeli artillery. I checked it, and I verified it.”
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Your explaination seems to be contrary to what he is saying here, but may be his complete words were not published.
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I think Olmert is saying that that it was "not a planned attack" on the civilian area. An accident. That area was hit in error. They most definitely planned on attacking the area 500meters away that had been used as a launching area. If Gazans are going to launch rockets that close to civilian residences there are bound to be casualites.
The fact that neither the Gazans nor any Guppy has the slightest inclination to blame the militants for firing rockets and attracting retaliatory fire is simply stunning. Accountability in the Muslim world has reached a new low.
Re: Grief turns to rage as Beit Hanoun buries its dead
so what area was 500 meters away? was it military installation?
