Grand Alliance — Has the die been cast?

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Tahirul Qadri’s meetings with PML-Q leaders have emerged as a stepping stone to lay foundation of a grand alliance against the “system”. PAT wants the system uprooted by people’s revolution and replaced by an agenda set by Dr Tahirul Qadri. Chaudhrys have gladly accepted to provide him some tired but tested political muscles. Their agenda is quite different from PTI’s line of thinking which wants the system reformed from within. MQM is another important component which can go any side, any moment. Given the pressure MQM has from London and Chaudhry Nisar’s statement that “Pakistan would fulfill its legal responsibility in the case,” an educated guess could be formed about the future course of MQM.

Our learned members are requested for an objective and **nonpartisan **discussion on the development of the grand alliance, its objectives, modalities, strategies of participating and non-participating parties and how government should face the gathering political storm?

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PML-Q has been an excellent operational component of The System.

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I have said this before that IK is Army’s B team.

PTI, PAT, PML-Q leaders may form alliance

News PTI, PAT, PML-Q leaders may form alliance
30 May 2014
PTI, PAT, PML-Q leaders may form alliance

LONDON: Leaders of three parties have gathered in London giving rise to speculation that the stage is being prepared for an anti-government alliance between the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) and Pakistan Muslim League-Q.

PTI Chairman Imran Khan and Pakistan Muslim League leader Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain arrived in London on Wednesday afternoon almost at the same time.

The PML-Q as a political unit has no presence in Britain because all the units defected to the PML-N but an aide of Chaudhry Shujaat said that Chaudhry was in contact with Imran Khan’s party and during his stay in London would like to meet Altaf Hussain as well.

He said a meeting with Dr Qadri and Imran Khan was on the cards but didn’t say when and where. He said the PML-Q will join any party that supports mid-term elections and ouster of the current government.

Speaking to ‘The News’ late on Thursday evening, PML-Q leader Chaudhry Shujaat confirmed that he will be meeting Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri along with his party delegation.

He said: “We have deep relations with each other and we will be meeting Dr Qadri. Our agenda is one point: betterment of Pakistan and empowerment of democracy. We agree with each other that the current government has failed and new alliances need to be made. We will release more details tomorrow after the meeting.”

On Thursday afternoon, PAT leader Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri also reached London unannounced. It’s the timing of Dr Qadri’s arrival that is of importance because the PAT sources had earlier said that he would be arriving here in the second week of June.

His party spokesman said that Dr Qadri had arrived in London for “medical check-up” although Dr Qadri himself has said that he prefers to live in Toronto, Canada, for medical reasons. A senior leader of PAT confirmed in a twitter message that PTI, PAT and PML-Q chiefs will “finalise anti-govt strategies in London” but later on retracted it.

When contacted by the News, a PAT source said that a meeting was likely and the three parties were in contact but “nothing is finalised yet”.

Dr Qadri was scheduled to reach London in June from Toronto and then fly out from here to Pakistan for what’s now called the “Shahadat Proof Bunker Dherna” but his sudden arrival in London means that he was asked to arrive for talks while the like-minded leaders were also around.

The PAT source said that all the three parties agreed on the need to launch a movement against the PML-N government. “The mandate of this government is fake and it needs to be ousted. We are contacting all the parties in this regard.”

A PTI source said that Imran Khan was in London to spend time with his two sons and “also to attend a fundraiser for the Shaukat Khanum Memorial Hospital on Saturday”. He didn’t deny that a meeting might take place between the three parties.

Some sources have said that the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) will also be taken into confidence and Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri will lead the efforts to bring the MQM on board.

“Dr Qadri is very close to the MQM and Altaf Hussain is his key supporter and has supported Dr Qadri whenever his campaign related to Punjab where both have a common enemy in the shape of the PML-N. Imran Khan and Shujaat also have the same agenda against the PML-N. Their alliance is natural. They have been once key allies of Pervez Musharraf and all of them benefitted from Musharraf in one way or the other. Pervez Musharraf needs them more than ever. This government needs to be brought under pressure to provide an exit route to Musharraf and that will happen when there is a grand opposition alliance in place as a cover,” said a source familiar with the London developments.

The MQM will have no issue giving its support to an opposition alliance as far as it concerns agitation in Punjab and in any case a movement against the PML-N government only benefits the MQM.Reports said that Chaudary Pervaiz Elahi has also been called to London.

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Really Pakistan does not need pimping any more to follow the illegal governance of army through these pimps.

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Chd Brothers have issue, bigger issue, the issue which made them shake hand and accept a B-grade role under Zardari Regime, that is they'll cease to exist if they stay out of power for long, Prevaiz Illahi merely won his seat, Shujaat couldn't manage to win his own seat... most of PML-Q people have either returned back to PML-N, PPP or have joined PTI... they also understand that no matter what, NS is not going to invite them in govt.. so they are there to create political hustle so that a ground for ARMY coup can be formed. if they fail, they'll get back in their shells and shall wait for right time to come out of it... also, they want to keep up the pressure that is either by using Imran Khan or TuQ or any person they deem useful to keep Monis Ellahi out of jail...

TuQ have his issues, he have fooled and/or used lots of people to get where he is today, he would continue to do it, so if he comes to Pakistan a tried to create political havoc, Govt can simple write to Canadian govt that their citizen is creating troubles in Pakistan and his Canadian Nationality can be endangered. so TuQ may come to Pakistan but won't make it violent...

The prime reason IK, TuQ and others are against this NS govt is the development work they are doing, if this govt gets another 2 or 3 years, most these projects may enter is there final stage which means another electoral win for PML-N, meanwhile, PTI have so far not been able to perform, seriously speaking with all this agitation, had they started some work as well, then there might have been more general acceptance to their protest... but PTI, is making same mistake again, they are ignoring Sindh, Balochistan again, they are considering KPK in their pocket and they are again getting all against PML-N, this will again back fire..

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PTI has kept itself away from Tahirul Qadri and IK did not meet anyone in London other than his family. As I said in my opening remarks that PTI's stance is totally different from PAT and PML-Q, dragging PTI into the alliance just because we hate PTI will not let us form an objective analysis of the situation. You will not surprise me by saying that even IJI was formed by PTI.

PTI wants electoral reforms under the ambiance of the constitution and as far as I know, it is perfectly constitutional to demand reforms through the platform of the assembly or through peaceful demonstrations. I understand that PTI must not join the grand alliance and continue to seek constitutional remedies. And as long as it does not walk into the alliance, we should respect its decision to stay away from seeking an extra-constitutional way to resolve the issues.

I was looking for an unbiased and a nonpartisan discussion on the topic, but looks like that it is totally impossible to expect such a thing on GS. I had to write about PTI exclusively in this post because my learned friends in this thread are again baying for IK's blood because they cannot think beyond PTI. The whole idea of having an intellectual discussion on the subject succumbs to 'anti-PTI-ism' once again.

I am done in this thread!

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if development work is all it is made out to be, then I don't know why you criticize musharraf then?

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Yes , Can be fitted anywhere , IK & TuQ are their old allies, Elected with the support of the traitor , Mushy , Both did very little in 2002 , Voted for PMLQ Lota government . TuQ resigned in 2004 but IK enjoyed pay & allowances till the whole term .
Common among them , lies , Two are famous Chanda Khor , All three are known as puppet of establishment .

IK is not going anywhere
Not to be part of any opposition alliance: Imran Khan: PAKISTAN
http://images.geo.tv/updates_pics/imrankhan_5-31-2014_149423_s.jpg
LONDON: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman, Imran Khan Saturday said his party would never become part of any opposition alliance. Talking to a Geo News correspondent here, Imran Khan … more…

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lol @ PAT leader.

Health coverage is FREE in Canada, why the eff would he go to the UK?

Do his followers and the 'chanda' foot the bill ??

Sooner or later, the Canadian Govt will give him danda for interference into other countries. The guy lives in Canada, his family all lives here.
Only he comes and goes to other places. Who pays for all this? Any working person here knows how hard it is to leave job and buy tickets
for all this travel. What's his source of income other than donations to his masjids? He himself sits in warm containers while leaving other common
folk out in the weather to rot. Then he strikes a deal and all goes back.

Whatever respect people used to have for him, has slowly deteriorated, to nothing.
Using people under the guise of religion is good business these days.

There's nothing to come out of this "grand alliance". What a sham. Who gives a damn aboutt these meetings anyway.

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Thank you for posting the News piece. A person with integrity would feel ashamed for first mudslinging, but then would correct their stance. But since you like to troll about everything PTI, I see your post is still intact even though the head of PTI has denied joining any Grand Alliance. Lack of integrity=Lack of credibility. Try being balanced, my friend.

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Lake of character , most important

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So evil Imran is conspiring against PMLN because they have started some remarkable nation building projects such as Metro train, a few motorways, flyovers & bridges which will change Pakistan forever and Imran being a Yahoodi agent obviously doesn't ever want to let that happen.
As you rightly pointed out, Imran is failing big time in KPK, his focus has been on time wasting projects such as "Tameer e School" , "Sehat ka Insaf", Women education, Independent police, online FIRs, Patwari system, independent NAB, Electronic voting system etc etc.

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Pasha Saheb: Traitor Ayub gave birth to an illegitimate traitor son ‘traitor Bhutto’. Traitor Zia hanged the traitor son of Ayub, though left his traitor daughter and traitor son-in-law. Result is that, both showed their traitor blood by looted and plundering Pakistan.

Zia also gave birth to an illegitimate traitor son ‘traitor Nawaz’. Traitor Musharraf instead of hanging Zia’s illegitimate traitor son Nawaz Shareef, spared his life giving him Presidential pardon, but being traitor, traitor Nawaz is now showing what an illegitimate traitor son of an illegitimate traitor father could do, what this traitor son is doing now a days.

Moral is that, a traitor army general should never spare life of traitor sons’ of past traitors. They should never trust progenies of illegitimate traitor son of past traitor army generals and hang them too.

Now, is it not right time for an army general to become traitor again, takeover Pakistan, hang illegitimate traitor sons of all past traitor army generals and also hang progenies of illegitimate traitor sons, than give birth to a new illegitimate traitor son to rule Pakistan ... who later make their traitor progenies to rule Pakistan too?

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At present all the social indicators in Punjab including increase in school enrollment, law and order, crime situation, spending of budgeted amounts on development projects, timely and within budget completion of development projects, betterment of educational and health facilities are better in Punjab than KPK. Infra structure projects give an economic stimulus to the economy and they give much needed facilities to general public. Just because PMLN is doing these projects.. should not be the criteria to criticize them.

People will judge and compare the performance of both the parties in the next election. PTI needs to get their act together and work on their performance.. instead of thinking about short cuts to power via military establishment.. if they want to survive as a viable electoral alternative for the people.

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You wanted another traitor to get relief for traitor Mush
Us choohay ko bil say bahir to nikalain .

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^^^ No, you got me wrong. I only want another traitor general to come in and hang illegitimate traitor sons of past traitor generals, and traitor progenies of illegitimate traitors sons ... for instance, hang traitor Shareefs, traitor Zardari, traitor Bilawal and so on.

It is really surprising than whenever a traitor general give birth to traitor sons who get into power (like Bhutto and Shareef), these traitor sons become Kaminay and breed traitors kids.

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Dil ki bat karain

Musharraf chahay to khamoshi say bhag jaiay

Transport managed

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^^^ Traitor Generals move around on helicopters and die on plane crashes (like C-130 Hercules plane crash).

Donkeys are only for their traitor illegitimate sons and children of those traitor illegitimate sons whom generals give birth illegitimately and help them into power :)

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I also remember many names . You forgot perhaps
Altaf , Imran , Ch Brothers , TuQ and many more

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As far as I know, none of the above names you mentioned called a traitor dictator their daddy ... or traitor dictator called anyone of them their illegitimate son.

Thus, none of above mentioned came into power in Pakistan, as traitor dictators only nurtured and brought their illegitimate 'Kamina and haram-khor' traitor sons, into power.