Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

Now this is something very sinister yet interesting. Leader of opposition who just came back from a foreign trip made this statement regarding Pakistan aiding and abetting foreign militants into Afghanistan. What the hell is going on? Is this a case of cheap publicity, scoring cheap brownie points with the common master (Uncle Sam), or something which Pakistanis in general should feel worried about? What do the Guppies think?

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_8-8-2005_pg1_1
Government trying to hoodwink US: Fazl

** MMA leader says govt helping militants enter Afghanistan

  • Points to men being moved from Waziristan to militant camps in Mansehra
  • Warns of protests over madrassa raids

Staff Report*

LAHORE: The Pakistani government is deceiving the US and the West by helping militants freely enter Afghanistan from Waziristan, Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) Secretary General Maulana Fazlur Rehman said on Sunday.

He told a press conference that the government should give the identity of the infiltrators and its (government’s) motives for helping them enter Afghanistan.

“They must also give the nation the identities of the men being moved from Waziristan to militant camps in Mansehra. This is hypocrisy. The rulers are not only trying to deceive the US and the West, but also hoodwinking the entire nation,” he added.

Earlier, Fazl had said that if pressured he would reveal facts that would open a Pandora’s box.

“We ask the rulers to reveal the identity of the people being transported to Afghanistan from Waziristan via Kaali Sarak in private vehicles, reveal who is supervising their trouble-free entry into Afghanistan and reasons for their infiltration,” he said.

The government would have to decide whether it wanted to support jihadis or close down their camps, he said, adding, “We will have to openly tell the world whether we want to support jihadis or crack down on them. We can’t afford to be hypocritical anymore,” he said. Fazl also accused Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed of running a jihadi camp for Kashmiri fighters near Islamabad. He said the government was accusing clerics of promoting religious extremism and militancy although they (clerics) were playing an active role in restoring peace in the tribal areas.

Fazl, who is also the leader of the opposition in the National Assembly, warned of nationwide protests over the government’s crackdown against religious seminaries and a decision to expel their foreign students. He said action against madrassas was against human rights and that the MMA would protest against it in the entire country. He did not specify when the protests would start. Fazl’s comments came two days after Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said a decision by President Pervez Musharraf to expel foreigners studying at madrassas was irrevocable.

Musharraf took the decision last month amid concern that Pakistan had not done enough to curb Islamic extremism in madrassas. The move also came after investigators said two suspects in the deadly July 7 bombings in London might have been to madrassas in Pakistan.

Fazl said the government had taken the decision under international pressure. “The entire world knows that this action is being taken after pressure by foreign countries,” he added. Interior Ministry officials said over the weekend that visas of all foreign Islamic students would be cancelled, but it was not yet clear when the first students would leave the country.

Fazl also criticised the Lahore High Court for barring people with degrees from seminaries from contesting the local council elections.

Fazl said the Election Commission of Pakistan had told him that there was no such ban on candidates with madrassa degrees.

Fazl also commented on the Supreme Court’s decision on the Hasba Bill, saying that under Article 186(2) of the 1973 Constitution the president was bound to only seek the court’s decision on legislation, but it was unclear whether the Supreme Court’s decision was an opinion or a judgement. He said the issue would be clearer after the Supreme Court issued the detailed order. He also said the MMA would fight a legal battle against the government over the Hasba Bill.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

He is right. If Musharraf wants to run jihad camps, let him do so openly. This two-faced thing is shameful. Maulana Diesel supports terrorists but at least he does not hide that fact.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

The same Fazlur Rehman is head of the MMA which tried to deny these very same militants existed during the Waziristan campaign and was insisting Pakistan was just fighting its own people during that time.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

Talwar,
I can understand the need to have clarity, but not at the expense of Talibanization thats what Maulvi Diesel wud engineer once Mush & Co depart…I take your point, duplicity can be a dangerous game to play, if that is the case.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

Exactly, I totally agree with u maddy. Whats happening here? Why wud Fazloo make such a statement, its like he’s trying to project an image of moderation, tolerance and anti-militarism. Gimme a break here, these guys are patrons of some of the most extremist outfits in Pakistan.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

FG,

Here's the deal. Musharraf and the army have always had an arrangement with JuI and the other Islamic parties. While they fight publicly, they both agree not to damage each other's core interests and work together where possible behind scenes. The ISI/Army patronization and pre-poll rigging allowed MMA to win 2 provinces. In return, JuI and others provide supply of volunteers for the two jihad campaigns on either border. MMA's governments also give Musharraf plausible deniability for the presence of jihadis. It is because of this arrangement that Musharraf essentially shortcircuited any attempt at madrassa reform. Madrassas are the lifeline for JuI because they are both a source of income as well as manpower for them. Income comes from Pakistanis overseas as well as Arab sheikhs contributions and without it the likes of JuI will be hardpressed to operate.

Now Fazlu and co feel that Musharraf has broken the agreement by attacking their very base. He also feels that the mullah parties are made a scapegoat when Gen. Safdar blamed them for the rise of the Taliban. He is also blaming the govt for his deporation from the UAE, which happened without even a token protest by the Pak embassy there. So he is now making it clear that if the army establishment does not back off, they will reveal all the skeletons in the closet. He is right - If the MMA people are the footsoldiers, who are the puppetmasters? Who is allowing the camps to operate and who is allowing Taliban 2.0 to flourish?

If I were to take a guess, we will see some sort of patch up soon and Dieselji will be back to his usual business. until the next terrorist attack.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

Sad but true. Its game of brinkmanship between two old buddies, who will suffer? people of Pakistan. What u say makes sense talwar, I just hope and pray that this symbiotic, parasitic relaionship gets broken once and for all…

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

He is making sure hes not deported again

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http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/09/news/edrashid.php


**Musharraf’s double game unravels **
Ahmed Rashid International Herald Tribune

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 10, 2005

LAHORE, Pakistan Since the July 7 bombings in London, Pakistan’s military ruler, President Pervez Musharraf, has again come under severe international pressure to clamp down on local extremist groups linked to Al Qaeda, bring extremist religious schools under control and stop the Taliban from using Pakistan as a base for attacks in Afghanistan. As a result, serious cracks are developing in the 35-year alliance between Pakistan’s army, its intelligence services and Islamic fundamentalist parties.

Musharraf has parried international criticism of Pakistan by accusing Prime Minister Tony Blair of allowing Islamic extremism to flourish in Britain, but since July 7 he has arrested 800 militants and is expelling 1,400 foreign students studying in the religious schools, or madrasas.

For decades, Islamic fundamentalist parties in Pakistan have provided manpower and ideological support for the military intelligence services’ forays in Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir. Under outside pressure, however, the inherent contradictions in this relationship are coming to the fore.

In an unprecedented broadside on Sunday, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, the head of an alliance of six Islamic fundamentalist parties and leader of the opposition in the National Assembly, accused the army of helping militants to attack Afghanistan, supporting “jihadi” training camps in Pakistan and deceiving the West in its commitment to combat terrorism. ''We will have to openly tell the world whether we want to support jihadis or crack down on them - we cannot afford to be hypocritical any more," he said.

For nearly two decades, Maulana Rehman has been one of the strongest Islamic leaders in the country. He heads Jamiat-e-Ullema Islam, or JUI, the most powerful fundamentalist party in the Pashtun tribal belt bordering Afghanistan. Since the 2002 elections, the JUI has dominated the provincial governments of North West Frontier Province and Baluchistan.

Working closely with the intelligence services the JUI has spawned numerous virulently anti-Western, violence-prone extremist groups who now work for Al Qaeda. In the 1990s, the JUI helped the army provide arms and manpower to the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States, JUI mullahs have allowed Taliban leaders to recruit Afghan and Pakistani students from JUI-run madrasas.

**Now there are severe tensions between the army and the JUI. Under considerable American pressure to explain the Taliban resurgence, Lieutenant General Safdar Hussain, the Corps Commander in Peshawar, said on July 25 that the Taliban “are getting public support in Pakistan, especially from some Pakistani religious parties.” He was clearly pointing the finger at the JUI and Maulana Rehman was furious.

On Aug. 1, Maulana was detained in Dubai International Airport while on his way home from Libya and promptly deported, with officials in the United Arab Emirates hinting that he was on a terrorist list. Maulana Rehman accused the Pakistan government of not doing enough to save him from humiliation.

Musharraf’s declaration that he would send home foreign students was seen as another attack on the JUI, who control the largest number of madrasas. Rehman and other leaders from his six-party alliance mounted a tirade against Musharraf and have threatened to start a campaign to unseat the government. **

The fundamentalist leaders don’t like Musharraf’s liberal stance and are determined to protect their parties and institutions. But they are also furious with the army for trying to make them a scapegoat for all of Pakistan’s ills, when they have only been a junior partner to the army’s own past policies that have encouraged Islamic extremism to flourish.

Rehman is now defying the army by declaring that it bears responsibility for the fruits of its past policies, and that it should not seek to parry American pressure by blaming Pakistan’s Islamic parties.

At one level, such statements are part of the kind of political wheeling and dealing that can be expected before local council elections later this month and general elections scheduled for 2007, when Musharraf wants to get himself elected as president. The fundamentalist parties feel threatened because they know that Musharraf may be trying to reduce their influence. But the danger is that Rehman and others could divulge more details of the intelligence services’ links, which might diminish the military’s credibility at home and abroad.

Musharraf is in a difficult position. Since Sept. 11 he has successfully ridden two horses, placating the West with promises of reform and crackdowns on extremists while pandering to the Islamic parties in order to retain their support. But now that Pakistan’s political system is in danger of slowly unraveling as he loses support across the political spectrum, Musharraf could fall off altogether.

Ahmed Rashid is the author of ‘‘Taliban’’ and, most recently, ‘‘Jihad: The Rise of Militant Islam in Central Asia.’’
LAHORE, Pakistan Since the July 7 bombings in London, Pakistan’s military ruler, President Pervez Musharraf, has again come under severe international pressure to clamp down on local extremist groups linked to Al Qaeda, bring extremist religious schools under control and stop the Taliban from using Pakistan as a base for attacks in Afghanistan. As a result, serious cracks are developing in the 35-year alliance between Pakistan’s army, its intelligence services and Islamic fundamentalist parties.

Musharraf has parried international criticism of Pakistan by accusing Prime Minister Tony Blair of allowing Islamic extremism to flourish in Britain, but since July 7 he has arrested 800 militants and is expelling 1,400 foreign students studying in the religious schools, or madrasas.

For decades, Islamic fundamentalist parties in Pakistan have provided manpower and ideological support for the military intelligence services’ forays in Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir. Under outside pressure, however, the inherent contradictions in this relationship are coming to the fore.

In an unprecedented broadside on Sunday, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, the head of an alliance of six Islamic fundamentalist parties and leader of the opposition in the National Assembly, accused the army of helping militants to attack Afghanistan, supporting “jihadi” training camps in Pakistan and deceiving the West in its commitment to combat terrorism. ''We will have to openly tell the world whether we want to support jihadis or crack down on them - we cannot afford to be hypocritical any more," he said.

For nearly two decades, Maulana Rehman has been one of the strongest Islamic leaders in the country. He heads Jamiat-e-Ullema Islam, or JUI, the most powerful fundamentalist party in the Pashtun tribal belt bordering Afghanistan. Since the 2002 elections, the JUI has dominated the provincial governments of North West Frontier Province and Baluchistan.

Working closely with the intelligence services the JUI has spawned numerous virulently anti-Western, violence-prone extremist groups who now work for Al Qaeda. In the 1990s, the JUI helped the army provide arms and manpower to the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States, JUI mullahs have allowed Taliban leaders to recruit Afghan and Pakistani students from JUI-run madrasas.

Now there are severe tensions between the army and the JUI. Under considerable American pressure to explain the Taliban resurgence, Lieutenant General Safdar Hussain, the Corps Commander in Peshawar, said on July 25 that the Taliban “are getting public support in Pakistan, especially from some Pakistani religious parties.” He was clearly pointing the finger at the JUI and Maulana Rehman was furious.

On Aug. 1, Maulana was detained in Dubai International Airport while on his way home from Libya and promptly deported, with officials in the United Arab Emirates hinting that he was on a terrorist list. Maulana Rehman accused the Pakistan government of not doing enough to save him from humiliation.

Musharraf’s declaration that he would send home foreign students was seen as another attack on the JUI, who control the largest number of madrasas. Rehman and other leaders from his six-party alliance mounted a tirade against Musharraf and have threatened to start a campaign to unseat the government.

The fundamentalist leaders don’t like Musharraf’s liberal stance and are determined to protect their parties and institutions. But they are also furious with the army for trying to make them a scapegoat for all of Pakistan’s ills, when they have only been a junior partner to the army’s own past policies that have encouraged Islamic extremism to flourish.

Rehman is now defying the army by declaring that it bears responsibility for the fruits of its past policies, and that it should not seek to parry American pressure by blaming Pakistan’s Islamic parties.

At one level, such statements are part of the kind of political wheeling and dealing that can be expected before local council elections later this month and general elections scheduled for 2007, when Musharraf wants to get himself elected as president. The fundamentalist parties feel threatened because they know that Musharraf may be trying to reduce their influence. But the danger is that Rehman and others could divulge more details of the intelligence services’ links, which might diminish the military’s credibility at home and abroad.

Musharraf is in a difficult position. Since Sept. 11 he has successfully ridden two horses, placating the West with promises of reform and crackdowns on extremists while pandering to the Islamic parties in order to retain their support. But now that Pakistan’s political system is in danger of slowly unraveling as he loses support across the political spectrum, Musharraf could fall off altogether.

Ahmed Rashid is the author of ‘‘Taliban’’ and, most recently, ‘‘Jihad: The Rise of Militant Islam in Central Asia.’’


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WASHINGTON: A prominent Pakistani leader has embarrassed both Washington and Islamabad by disclosing that Pakistan's military government continues to run terrorist training camps and is infiltrating militants into Afghanistan despite professing to be a US ally in the war on terrorism.

"The rulers are not only trying to deceive the US and the West, but also hoodwinking the entire nation. They must give the nation the identities of the men being moved from Waziristan to militant camps in Mansehra. This is hypocrisy," the Pakistani media quoted Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) Secretary General Maulana Fazlur Rehman as saying on Sunday.

Mansehra is the site of one of the alleged terrorist training camps which India claims is being run by the Pakistani establishment. It's existence has also been reported in the Pakistani media. Terror suspects arrested in the west in recent weeks have also disclosed they attended militant training camps in Mansehra, which Pakistan's military government says does not exist.

But the Maulana has said not only does the military run camps but it is also transporting extremists from Waziristan in private vehicles and supervising their trouble-free entry into Afghanistan. Afghan and US officials have spoken in recent times about well-armed and trained militants reappearing on Afghanistan's borders with Pakistan and inflicting heavy casualties.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

One thing, Mualana Fazlu Rahman is a political man without any deep commitment to the pan-Islamist goal popular in the ideological circles of Pakistan. All his politics is for tangible benefits to amass wealth and stay afloat. His party, i.e., JUI also has a long history of political struggle against authoritarian regimes of Pakistan and is the successor to JUH, Jamiati Ulamai Hind, the party allied with Indian ...National Congress in the freedom struggle against British. The politics of JUH has been non-communal.

JUI partnership with the establishment also started comparatively later during 1990s when Taleban movement was launched. Its political strength is based on traditional clerics and the common folk more interested in routine religious rituals and local politics than any broader political/ideological vision for Muslim Umah.

The more dangerous religious orgnizations with a long history of relationship with the establishment are JI, Tanzeem-i-Islami, and other outfits whose vision of Islam transend borders. The c...adre of Jummath-i-Islami come from educated, mostly, urban middle-classes that are ideologically very well-trained and motivated.

The establishment might have decided to abandon the religious parties whose partnership with it dosen't have a long history and which, being more political, are not trusted by the establishment much in order to parry international pressure. Seems it would retain its partnership with the more ideological religious organizations like Jumaath-i-Islami etc.

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

First shot was fired by Lt General Safdar Hussein when he clealry marked some religious political parties resposnible for incursions into Afghanistan. Then we had the Lahore high court declaring Madrassa degrees incompatible with matric certificates. Add to that Mush aggressive stance on madrassa reforms which hits the deobandi school of thought ie JUI (Fazlu). Clearly, we have a trend developing here which cud lead to some sort of confrontation between Fauj and JUI. Whats interesting is that Jamaat (JI) has’nt been vocal in its criticism of the Govt recent moves, lending credence to your thesis.

This game of chess can turn on Mush & Co if they do not take care in recognizing their friends and enemies.

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Fazl denies accusing govt of training terrorists

ISLAMABAD: Maulana Fazlur Rehman, leader of the opposition in the National Assembly and Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal secretary general, on Monday denied that he accused the government of training terrorists and sending them to Afghanistan.

Fazl said that a news published in an English language daily, quoting him as saying that the Pakistani government was training terrorists to send them to Afghanistan, had no connection with his press conference in Lahore on Sunday. nni

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-8-2005_pg7_10

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

So how the hell did the English papers get a hold of this Quote? Did they make it up! :rolleyes:

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

Seems Fazal was coerced into contradicting his earlier statement...

Re: Govt trying to hoodwink the US: Maulvi Diesel

Actually JI has strong base in the middle /lower-middle classes educated in public-sector universities and pre-dominantly from urban background. Their ...cadres are sophisticated compared to JUI. They are also not into this madrassa ...business which is mostly run by Deobandi mullahs.

JI has its own network of schools called IQRA Model schools run by Tanzeem-i-Asathiza, its teachers wing, and other Jumaath influentials. Thanks its relationship with the establishment, it has been able to build assets/resources. So JI would not be much hit by action against madrassas.

Unlike raw Talebs, better only as foot-soldiers, JI workers are sophisticated enough to w...ork meaningfully and effectively with the establishment. There are good enough reasons to say that if pressured, the establishment may cut support to the traditional mullahs/talebans of JUI and invest more in the "sophisticated taleban" of JI raised in modern educational institutions instead of madrassas".