Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
This usually is true for everyone. I don’t know if many Sunnis marry into xtians say. But marrying is a personal issue, how is it related to someone's human rights? Killing of Ahmadis by Sunnis is wholly unjustified and is an indication of the dark age that Sunni society has fallen into. This extremism is also hurting Sunnis themselves as well but so far they have been unable or unwilling to do a lot about it.
My point is that if Ahmadis consider themselves muslims, why not marry their daughters to muslims at all? In pre-partition sub-continent, only Sikhs and muslims avoided marrying their daughters to muslims and they proudly considered themselves non-muslims. If Ahmadis are muslims, why not believe what normal muslims believe in viz. that prophet(saw) was the last prophet? anyway, ahmadis want benefit outside Pakistan by emmigrating on the basis of asylum etc. and want to be treated muslim when in Pakistan
Re: Government of Punjab is Conspiring to Incite Hatred Against Ahmadis
A very juvenile comment. Pakistan was founded as a secular state by secular people.
But again you don't know this. As for Qadyani, who the hell is the Pakistani Assembly to assign who is Muslim and who is not a muslim. Is the Pakistani Assembly a religious institution? What credentials do they have to assign labels to people?
This is typical nonsense emanating from Pakistan. No Pakistani has the right to call any other person a non-muslim. Only Allah does.
Typical Nonsense emanating from you.
Does the Pakistani Assembly have the guts to label all Shia as Non-Muslims?
I am a sunni Muslim. But I will not go labelling other branches of Islam as Un-Islamic. Thats for Allah to decide. Not Us.
But that is a concept too hard for you to comprehend.
Ya and It was Zia who named Pakistan as Islamic Republic and it was Mush who turned it into one.. you and ur arguments are both as good as the statement which says that BUSH is mst popular & beloved personality in this world
I normally do not talk/argue with the people who have no knowledge on the stuff they are talking about and surely u r one of them... if you ur self is not Ahmadi
Shia, Although i have differences with them, cannot be, under any circumstances declared as non-muslims.. not assembly of Pakistan nor any other school of thought can declare them non-muslim, not on any credible ground...
I wonder y u brought it up.. this is normally Ahmadies last argument, when they lose everything this is what they say.. thay why don't you declare shia as non-muslims...
Re: Government of Punjab is Conspiring to Incite Hatred Against Ahmadis
Now this is something Strange!!!
Mods normally discourage posts diverting the thread to other things.. and they act quickly to spilt the thread if they feel like....
on the same note they don't allow threads of similar nature in the same section in same days...again they act and merge them all together...
Now.. there are four or five threads about Ahmadies going on all posted with the difference of hours if not days.. two of them bear the same titles.. i wonder y mods cannot see that.. is there something weird going around???
Re: Government of Punjab is Conspiring to Incite Hatred Against Ahmadis
Ahmadi will die crying... accept your status as minority and enjoy the rights given to you.. why call yourself muslim when you are declared and accepted non-muslims..
What a rational thing to say!
Why should you call yourself a muslim? Why should Ahmadis accept your verdict or that of anyone you consder an authority? Who are you?
And as for dieing in tears, ask all those people whos loved ones were blown to pieces by your Mulslim brothers, people who are recognized as MUSLIMS, and choose to express this by strapping abomb om and blowing people up what tear really mean... If the disgusting state of muslims is your idea of what it means to be Muslim, then you can keep Islam to yourself.
Re: Government of Punjab is Conspiring to Incite Hatred Against Ahmadis
an illiterate like you who thinks that Pakistan was named ISLAMIC R|EPUBLIC bu zia should say that.. Just for your info.. Assembly of Pakistan have unimously declared these qadyanies as non-muslim as per their believe on Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan's claim for prophet hood...
Now you can say that, who is Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) to say that there will be no prophet after Him...and anyone whol claims prophecy is liar and imposter and likewise the follower of such person are Kafirs... but i guess your this claim is null and void... you go and do some study kidoo... as half of the time you don't know what you are talking about..
You make no sense. Learn to speak english!
Who gives a crap what people believe. Jinnah said its not the role of the state to dictate peoples religion.
Re: Government of Punjab is Conspiring to Incite Hatred Against Ahmadis
What a rational thing to say!
Why should you call yourself a muslim? Why should Ahmadis accept your verdict or that of anyone you consder an authority? Who are you? Your nothing more the poorly disguised bigot.
And as for dieing in tears, ask all those people whos loved ones were blown to pieces by your Mulslim brothers, people who are recognized as MUSLIMS, and choose to express this by strapping abomb om and blowing people up what tear really mean... If the disgusting state of muslims is your idea of what it means to be Muslim, then you can keep Islam to yourself.
And who are you.. just another Ahmadi.. trying to prove themselves as Muslims, while having a believe on some guy calling himself Prophet... what is your authority to call you self Muslim!!!
you can abuse as much as u can.. and i can see that there is nothing else you are capable of.. so keep posting non-sense...
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
My point is that if Ahmadis consider themselves muslims, why not marry their daughters to muslims at all? In pre-partition sub-continent, only Sikhs and muslims avoided marrying their daughters to muslims and they proudly considered themselves non-muslims. If Ahmadis are muslims, why not believe what normal muslims believe in viz. that prophet(saw) was the last prophet? anyway, ahmadis want benefit outside Pakistan by emmigrating on the basis of asylum etc. and want to be treated muslim when in Pakistan
Don't worry about marrying Ahamdis who you consider Kafir, just stop persecuting them.
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
Don't worry about marrying Ahamdis who you consider Kafir, just stop persecuting them.
I don't think or recall any incident at least in the Punjab province of harassment or violence against the Ahmadis- on the contrary many muslims complain bad treatment met out to them at TI College, Rabwah. Ahmadis don't admit muslims at TI college. I read in newspaper about an incident of violence where lot of Jamaat members were killed by Ahmadis at Rabwah Railway station.
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
@Sandhu786... can you please name atleast one victim of the violence belonging to Jamaat or Nishtar medical college?
I don't keep names of brave members of Jamaat who died in the riots at the hands of Ahmadis. I just know Ahmadis have not contributed much to Pakistani movement or progress of our country and yet are loudmouthed racists with so much anger against muslims and our Prophet(pbuh). It is the only religion for which holy land is our Dushman number 1 India(Qadian, Eastern Punjab). Dr. Abdus Salam, an Ahmadi had every oppurtunity to convert to Islam but he never did and instead wanted to start a science college for ONLY ahmadis- his plan was to convert muslims- thankfully his move was thwarted. I have heard he went to Indian Punjab to visit his high-school teacher. Now, tell me who is the victim and who is the agressor, Destino Saab?
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
I don't think they demanded death for Qadyanies. I think its just to celebrate the occasion when qadyanies were declared kaffirs legally by Superme Court of Pakistan. There is consensus amongst all Islamic Scholars that Mirzais are not Muslim
This conference is not against Mirzais but just to celebrate what muslims of Pakistan achieved in 1973
So its a celebration of the day when Pakistan went even farther from Jinnahs vision, and closer to the extremist state it is today?
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
^^ Now Ahmadies are speaking out... they want them to be recognized as muslims... thats why they have this problem with Khatam-e-Nabuwat Conf. as these people continuously remind others about the believes of Ahmadies .. i think thats why these Ahmadies are so pissed off and whinning as usual...
People like you should be more concerned with educating the 50 percent of the country who still cant read.. And the others who can read, but still say thing like ".. remind others of the BELIEVES of Ahmadies."
I think they are "whinning" because the state refuses them religious freedom, and because these conferences end up inciting violence and murder.
You would be whinning to if someone were to incite others to kill you or commit violence against you...
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
I don't keep names of brave members of Jamaat who died in the riots at the hands of Ahmadis. I just know Ahmadis have not contributed much to Pakistani movement or progress of our country and yet are loudmouthed racists with so much anger against muslims and our Prophet(pbuh). It is the only religion for which holy land is our Dushman number 1 India(Qadian, Eastern Punjab). Dr. Abdus Salam, an Ahmadi had every oppurtunity to convert to Islam but he never did and instead wanted to start a science college for ONLY ahmadis- his plan was to convert muslims- thankfully his move was thwarted. I have heard he went to Indian Punjab to visit his high-school teacher. Now, tell me who is the victim and who is the agressor, Destino Saab?
Seriously how would meeting a high school teacher in a foreign country make a person an agressor. If your argument is that he met with a Kaffir, you should seriously take a reality check and understand how the world works.
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
@Sandhu,
The "brave" members of Jamaat should be remembered as martyrs (if they ever died in the first place). Please ask around and find out who was killed at Rabwah station. Dignified movements always remember those who sacrifice their lives for the cause. Pakistan movement started properly after the return of Qaid e Azam from England in 1934. He was dragged back into active politics by the Imam of Fazal Mosque, London. So the nation should be grateful to Maulana Dard for this great favour. Sir Zafrulla Khan drafted the Lahore resolution and worked day and night to safeguard Pakistan's interests.
And this is such a digrace that your hatred from the Ahmadis has crossed all bounds. You try to slander against the only Muslim Nobel Laureate in Science. A person who started the nuclear programme for Pakistan. Who personally made all attempts to open an international research center in Pakistan. The government refused. And this research center was for the third world. Not for ahmadis. The institute at Trieste trains physicists from all around the world. Many Pakistanis have studied there. Most of them are not Ahmadis. I am not aware of any Ahmadi scientist who worked there.
Re: Government sponsored conference demands death for Ahmadi Muslims
Please go back and teach urself some lessons about pakistan movement and Dr. Abdus Salams Work … Dr Munir who is the Father of Pakistans Nuclear Programe is a Pupil of Dr. Abdus Salam
Get ur facts right and we can discuss … Please also bring some facts about Ahmadis being the aggressors and killing PPL in the Name of the Islam/ahmadiyyat …
Please watch and listen without prejudice … jazak’Allah Khair
I don't keep names of brave members of Jamaat who died in the riots at the hands of Ahmadis. I just know Ahmadis have not contributed much to Pakistani movement or progress of our country and yet are loudmouthed racists with so much anger against muslims and our Prophet(pbuh). It is the only religion for which holy land is our Dushman number 1 India(Qadian, Eastern Punjab). Dr. Abdus Salam, an Ahmadi had every oppurtunity to convert to Islam but he never did and instead wanted to start a science college for ONLY ahmadis- his plan was to convert muslims- thankfully his move was thwarted. I have heard he went to Indian Punjab to visit his high-school teacher. Now, tell me who is the victim and who is the agressor, Destino Saab?
Shall I remind you the role of Jamaat e Islami in making of Pakistan?
Their Mullah's openly called Qaid e Azam a Kafir e Azam (Naouzobilla)
I will collate something on Jamaat Ahmadiyya sacrafices in making of Pakistan and in battles with India.
A two weak old column by Kamran Shafi that appeared in Dawn, but I think very pertinent here:
dawn. com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-the-hypocrisy-of-it-all-969
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Whilst this was sickening in the extreme because all of our ‘great achievements’ were enumerated in the past tense with nary a thought about how we were to come out of the, to use an aviation term, uncontrolled spin we were in; and while the ‘achievement’ of our population was more a matter of shame than anything else, the thing that infuriated me was the mention of Dr Abdus Salam as one of those Pakistanis who proved that this was a great country by winning the Nobel Prize for physics.
What hypocrisy! *I mean, look how we treated Dr Salam just because he belonged to the Ahmadi community! Let alone the tribulations that Ahmadis face in this country on a daily basis, when Dr Salam stood for election as director general of Unesco, dictator Zia sent emissaries to the First World’s capitals with demarches not to vote for him because he was not Pakistan’s ‘official’ candidate. Where special envoys were not sent, Zia instructed our missions to pressure their host governments not to vote for Dr Salam. Instead, he put up Gen Yaqub Khan, who withdrew much before polling date because not one of the 50 countries on Unesco’s board was willing to vote for him. It was well known at the time that had the Pakistan government not actively worked against him, Dr Abdus Salam would have won the election hands down even as a private candidate. But no, we were going to have none of it! *
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And now things going from bad to worse...
I think Jinnah must be turning in his grave :(
Below is an article for you, comparing Jammat Ahamdiyya and Jammat Islami during and after Pakistan movement…and also the evils Jammat Islami has got Pakistan into.
Sorry, but you make the best joke posts on the forum.
