I used to have different views regarding chadar and scarf but I have changed my views now because I have realised that hijab should be worn according to the culture, for example, in Saudi the culture is black burqas but in India women wear the most colourful clothes.
In the West, chadar is not practical and you will stand out amongst others if you wear it, a scarf with modest western clothes is quite common and acceptable here and people won’t notice you much.
In Pakistan, I guess a big chadar is the best type of hijab to be worn, I’ve seen that people respect chader clad women more than niqabis in Pak.
Where did I say I do not understand your view and subject matter?
i said you do not know what you are trying to say and how.
This topic is very good no doubt. I have no intention to drag my take on your first post. However you said two things here:
1- This is the norm. You cannot avoid it. hence you agreed with those who present themsleves with mixed and opposite views just to have fun! Not serious with the conviction themselves.
2- The example of reporter does not apply to those who would write in favor of hijab/chaadar but show video of woman without hijaab/ chaadar to make a point. Hence my example of those who would write against porn.
The reporter did not torture people ‘himself’. Reporter merely presented it to public. And by presenting it to public it did not proliferate torture, but presenting porn to public would make people enjoy more porn.
I guess you will not admit there was no reason to place a link to video to make a point for chaadar or ghoongat. You did the same thing as the video maker did, to make fun of the ‘essence’ of chaadar/ghoongat but trying to promote ghoongat!
No need to go overbaard there to lose the real meaning of chaadar/ghoongat!
Anyhow I agree with your point that religion does not bind anyone to use a certain kind of article of clothings to achieve the same goal.
We wear them all the time ! Whenever and where ever we like even in high profile cat-walks on fashion show and various functions. I dont know howcome you are not aware of this fact.
Nope. I don't agree with you on that one and no1 will. How come you are not aware of the fact that ladies in Pakistan do wear their own traditional dupattas and chaddars. AFAIK, 2 years I go, that's what I saw most of the time, not the Arab style hijabs you're talking about. Dude, your thread has no foundation whatsoever.
Re: Gori Ghoonghat ko mat khol ke Ghoonghat hai anmol
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I believe Code_Red is talking about freedom to express and freedom to follow culture within the constraints of Islamic requirements.
I believe he is making the argument that chaddar and ghungat can qualify as hijab if worn properly and the attitude of the one wearing it is correct and proper as well. If this is what he is saying then I agree.
There is no reason to create a monoculture in Islam this is actually a bid'a ... Arabic culture was not enforced when Islam spread rather local customs were modified and Arabic language was encouraged.
I believe Code_Red is talking about freedom to express and freedom to follow culture within the constraints of Islamic requirements.
I believe he is making the argument that chaddar and ghungat can qualify as hijab if worn properly and the attitude of the one wearing it is correct and proper as well. If this is what he is saying then I agree.
There is no reason to create a monoculture in Islam this is actually a bid'a ... Arabic culture was not enforced when Islam spread rather local customs were modified and Arabic language was encouraged.
and this is what distinguished moslem conquests from other conquests , islam never required ( atleast in theory) for the population to totally giveup their customs and practices and adopt a alien culture.However certain moslem rulers were guilty of that and are remembered as tyrants even in moslem history
the recent rise in "hijab" among desi versus more indigneous means of body/head covering is probably a fad, which has risen because of the "tableeghs" being carried out to turn in pakistani esp for the benefit of upper and upper middle class women.
You dislike our culture, its okey for me. I dont feel an iota of a grudge against you. As long as it is purely personal. But, If you confer an idea that wearing that our regional turbon during namaz is religiously not allowed Or it does not fullfil the religious requirement of covering your head then I will continue this debate till the dawn of next century.
yes its purely personal and i dont seek to impose my views on others, a turban is fine with me ( actually i dislike mostly urban pakistani culture e.g karachi , lahore , islamabadis not so much rural)
I just think that desi clothing and cultural rituals are extremely backward and too pompous.I personally like the strict, austere and simple lifestyles either of bedouins or prussians for that matter !
Nope. I don't agree with you on that one and no1 will. How come you are not aware of the fact that ladies in Pakistan do wear their own traditional dupattas and chaddars. AFAIK, 2 years I go, that's what I saw most of the time, not the Arab style hijabs you're talking about. Dude, your thread has no foundation whatsoever.
I am Totally aware of ladies dresses and outfits in my region. They have a free will to determine what they feel is better suited to them.
The bone of contention arises when a misconception is derived from religous scholars or books and it overrides culture without valid reason.
For example- Very common religious people condemn wearing dress pants and shirts, T-shirts etc for men, while praying. The only reason they offer : it is non-muslim's way of dressing.
Q -So what is islamic dress
Ans - Shalwar Kameez
Now firstly No dress has any religious taq whatsoever. And shalwar kameez is worn by non-muslims i.e Sikh, hindus etc. Secondly, they have no religious grounds for such footings, because this is purely regional dress.
For Girls part -
Some of expat / born abroad religious girls loosely believe many women / girls in pakistan dress up casually and dont pay much attention to islamic principle of observing dress code. In their perception, it is only hijab which is a sanctioned , aproved dress code. Nothing else. So one religious girl comming to pakistan for marraige has strictly told organisers that she would wear that scarf (hijaab) instead of traditional wedding dress which includes ghoonghat.
Now, I have strong objection on the basis of this decision, which is quite offensive to my cultural and religious sensibility. I wont have any onbjection in dress choice if there was no mention of religion (Islam) in decision making process, and it was purely a fashion statement.
Aply same explaination to the video linked in first post.
A report / documentary /article on porngraphy does not include such material for any enjoyment. It hardly offers some censord covers of films or interviews of some stars just to supliment their documentary. If you have encountered some entertainment material in such production then its genre is beyond my knowledge
I have already explained my understading of the concept of video in my earlier post ( keep cultural values / dress intact as they make you beautiful ) If you think the video has some other meaning then you are free hold such view.
Thankyou for agreement with the topic of discussion. :flwoer2:
So a girl wants to be extra careful by covering herself totally [hiding all hair] instead of half ghoongat, flying ghoongat or burqa style ghoongat, what does that have to do with preserving “culture”? That’s called a muslim who’s true to her deen. Mind you I’m all for a ghoongat which demonstrates full hijab.
Stop being so insecure about culture, it’s not the culture which will help us on the day, it’s the deen. So let everyone decide [according to their region] what style of hijab is best, be it ghoongat or what we know today as ‘hijab’.
Btw, these ABCD girls and other girls too really need to fix up their dress code, they wear hijab on their head but tight clothing which defeats the purpose.
And on that note, MEN too need to wear looser jeans and dress pants, they have to obey hijab rule too!
So in this case I’d go with the shalwar kameez more than these western clothes.
