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Raymond Davis was a CIA officer working on covert operations. Also, just so that you know, CIA does not have agents, they are called officers. FBI, on the other hand have agents. And yes their is a distiction.
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It's my understanding he was caught with photogrpahs of sensitive installations. Not to mention that he is referred to as a CIA contractor by all and sundry.
see this is the problem. somebody says something, someone else quotes it, C reads what A said and thinks B is corraborating it and so on....please! don't come to hasty conclusions based on massive hearsay
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see this is the problem. somebody says something, someone else quotes it, C reads what A said and thinks B is corraborating it and so on....please! don't come to hasty conclusions based on massive hearsay
Troll.
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see this is the problem. somebody says something, someone else quotes it, C reads what A said and thinks B is corraborating it and so on....please! don't come to hasty conclusions based on massive hearsay
hearsay? i don't think you've been following the news.
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hearsay? i don't think you've been following the news.
News = Hearsay in this troll's mind.
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this is what the article you quoted says; what in the article proves to you that RD was engaged in espionage against Pakistan? There are numerous covert operations but does that automatically translate to being espionage against Pakistan?
Pakistani and U.S. authorities say U.S. Embassy worker Raymond Davis, who killed two alleged robbers in Lahore, works for the CIA. U.S. officials describe him as a contractor with the agency and insist he has diplomatic immunity and should be freed.
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show me what news and how it is proof. zaid hamid like people inventing 'news' is not.
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**question: other than some conspiracy nuts making statements such as RD is a spy, cia agent **etc etc what proof do any of you have to be saying he should have been tried for espionage?
You needed an evidence that Raymond Davis was a CIA officer and I provided you with a reliable link to the news article. In my post, no where did I mention, if RD was working on covert operations against the Land of Pure. Is English your second language?
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There are numerous covert operations but does that automatically translate to being espionage against Pakistan?
Yes, unless you're trolling, troll.
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You needed an evidence that Raymond Davis was a CIA officer and I provided you with a reliable link to the news article. In my post, no where did I mention, if RD was working on covert operations against the Land of Pure. Is English your second language?
that's not what I asked. why would I ask anyone to prove that CIA has people in Pakistan? My question was how do you conclude that he is engaged in espionage against Pakistan? and at the same breadth accept that ISI and CIA have been working together inside Pakistan?
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Google it.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/19/missing-the-bigger-picture.html
This information comes by way of leaks and government statements. Deny all you want, but then I would expect simmilar sentiment for the men shot…do you have any evidence that they robbed Mr. Davis, or were out to harm him in any way?
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that's not what I asked. why would I ask anyone to prove that CIA has people in Pakistan? My question was how do you conclude that he is engaged in espionage against Pakistan? and at the same breadth accept that ISI and CIA have been working together inside Pakistan?
Again, you can go through my post's in this thread and quote me please, where have I stated Raymond Davis was involved in covert operations against Pakistan. I'm going to ask you again, is English your second language?
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your reference says “This must be the first occasion in living memory where apart from the elected governments at the centre and Punjab, the army, the ISI and even the judiciary have been named and castigated by TV anchors and their panellists for being a party to Davis’s release.”.
will you try your govts and judiaciary as spyimng against Pakistan as well? The point you are missing is CIA may be doing a lot of things there but they are done to help and in collaboration with your ISI and army and government. Don’t blame RD for what you govt and your army hires such people to do!
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Again, you can go through my post's in this thread and quote me please, where have I stated Raymond Davis was involved in covert operations against Pakistan. I'm going to ask you again, is English your second language?
In #32 you mischaracterized the question I had asked earlier. I was merely correcting that
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In #32 you mischaracterized the question I had asked earlier. I was merely correcting that
I did not mischaracterized anything... I would again urge you to go through what you and I have posted.
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But ISI denied any connection with RD.
Even Pakistan’s spies say they had no idea what Davis was doing in Lahore.
A senior intelligence source told The Daily Telegraph he was unknown to Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence directorate and was operating outside the normal agreements between the two countries.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl…-Pakistan.html
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Not that I personally trust any of the state run western media including Yahoo and The Guardian yet here is the link for your satisfaction. Would it suffice?
The New York Times, Washington Post, and Associated Press reported Monday that Raymond Davis—an American who shot two men in Pakistan last month—was working for the CIA at the time. And while reporting that news, all three outlets revealed something else: They had been holding back that information at the U.S. government’s request.
But the government dropped its request after a British paper broke the news a day earlier. That meant the lead editors at U.S. news organizations could go forward with their own Davis stories. The Guardian reported Sunday that Davis was on assignment for the CIA at the time of the fatal shooting, which he claims arose out of his effort to defend himself during a robbery attempt. The Guardian also revealed in the article that “a number of US media outlets” knew about Davis’ CIA ties “but have kept it under wraps at the request of the Obama administration.”
Ian Katz, deputy editor of The Guardian, told The Cutline that “similar representations were made to the Guardian to those received by U.S. media.” But unlike its U.S. counterparts, The Guardian went ahead with the story.
Katz noted that two senior Pakistan government sources officially confirmed that Davis was a CIA operative and explained in an email why it was relevant to report. Read More
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Based on interviews in the US and Pakistan, on February 20 the Guardian confirmed that Davis was a former Special Forces soldier who was employed by the CIA at the time of the shootings.
As per the Guardian reporters Declan Walsh and Ewen MacAskill " It’s beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 36-year-old Davis a former special forces soldier is employed by the CIA " said a senior Pakistani intelligence official.
The Pakistani government was aware of Davis’s CIA status from the day one yet kept quiet in the face of immense American pressure to free him under the Vienna convention.
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Nawaz - my question is not about RD working for CIA. It is well known and understood fact that CIA works inside many countries especially inside Pakistan, in close cooperation with ISI. My specific question is why would you folks interpret that as 'espionage against Pakistan'?
Hareem01 - agencies such as ISI & CIA hate personnel being exposed and SOP#1 is disown any connection when someone is exposed for whatever reason. Is it any wonder that ISI disowned in this case, especially knowing the sentimements of the Pakistani public?
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Nawaz - my question is not about RD working for CIA. It is well known and understood fact that CIA works inside many countries especially inside Pakistan, in close cooperation with ISI. My specific question is why would you folks interpret that as 'espionage against Pakistan'?
Would you ask the same question if a Chinese or a Russian spy was caught in the U.S. with maps to sensitive locations, camera, etc.?