Going through the memory lane, I do not know if one should cry or laugh.

Let us see what Pakistan can see again in few years time. Here is the situation of Pakistan in 1999. This is report and discussion on Pakistani budget 1999 (last budget of Nawaz Shareef). Please read and cry but when it would happen again, do not complain, as this is what Pakistani ignorant wants when they voted crooks like Nawaz. The article is written in June 1999, much before Musharraf took over in Oct 1999. All what I am mentioning here is from the review article on Pakistani budget 1999 published in Pakistan Link.

Wheat output 18 million ton (recently one of many big lairs of PMLN … Ahsan Iqbal told on TV that in 1999 Pakistan wheat output was 23 million ton … but that was blatant lie).

GDP growth rate = 3.1 percent (once population growth is taken off, per capita income growth was almost nil).

Wheat output was 18 million tons. Cotton was about two million bales short of the target. Wheat and cotton had both to be imported to stop ‘atta’ riots and to keep the textile mills from closing down!

Growth of Large scale manufacturing = 4.7percent.

Agricultural growth rate = 0.35 percent.

**Both exports and imports fell by about 11 per cent each. **

Foreign private investment stood at a little over $300 million

The whimsical decisions of the top leadership to spend enormous sums on unproductive ventures on the one hand and borrowing money on hard terms on the other couldn’t go unnoticed by the sophisticated foreign investors. Expenditures, for instance, on a glittering airport or on a $1.5 billion motorway, which would take at least 450 years to pay back from earnings the capital investment alone, did not serve to inspire confidence in the wisdom of policy makers.

The care-free, cavalier manner in which the governments of both Benazir and Nawaz Sharif have gone on borrowing on high interest rates, over the past decade, has brought the country’s debt-servicing liability to 81.5 per cent of revenue

[Note: Debt servicing liability is not Debt to GDP ratio. Debt-servicing liability means how much payment is required just to service the existing debt. When debt-servicing was 81.5 percent of revenue, it means that whatever revenue government was collecting, they were paying 81.5 percent of it in servicing the debt (as for debt, that was more than 110 percent of GDP). That means government was left 18.5 percent (100 – 81.5 percent) of revenue for all other expenses including defence. Obviously that could not be enough for all other expenses, so government used to borrow money at very high interest rate, increasing debt of Pakistan].

700 poor and unemployed commit suicide in 1998 (due to economical reasons). That is the highest figure in the annals of the country -three times the average number of people does suicide in Pakistan.

[These crooks lie that many people are doing suicide these days because of economical reasons. Actually, they lie because it was during their period that people really use to do suicide and they dream of present period].

That the Pakitani society is now in deep turmoil and has actually been in turmoil for a decade or so, is generally acknowledged.

Social and economic inequality, illiteracy, unemployment, negligible health facilities, ethnic and parochial intolerance, wide-spread corruption, arrogance of the ruling elite, are some of its ugly features.

[It was nothing to do with nuclear test or any other outside factors, as what is mentioned is similar to what was happening since 1988 (10 years … since death of Zia). All was happening because of bad governance, nepotism, corruption, looting and plundering, and mismanagement by thug politicians … BeNazir Zardari and Nawaz Shareef Ganja]

http://www.pakistanlink.com/hussaini/06-18-99.html

Federal Budget '99

Pak Economy’s Worst Ever Performance

The Economic Survey, an official document released every year on the eve of the new budget and known for its cheerful and upbeat presentation of the state of the country’s economy, has this time portrayed the performance in fiscal 1998-99 as grim. It has acknowledged the failure of the economy in attaining any of its vital targets of growth.

The statistics and salient points in the document made public on June 10 leave one with the inescapable impression that the outgoing financial year has witnessed the economy in the wrenching grip of stagnation and contraction.

This was perhaps the worst ever performance of the economy since Independence. To maintain at least a semblance of its characteristic cheerfulness, the Survey has called it “rather mixed”. Statistics however leave no doubt that it was the bleakest ever record of the economy.

The growth rate of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) was 3.1 per cent, almost half of the target of 6 per cent. Most dismal was the performance of agriculture. It remained virtually stagnant, recording a growth of a mere 0.35 percent. This was as bewildering as it was unprecedented.

The Survey attributes the bleak performance of the economy to external factors, mainly the economic sanctions following the atomic tests in May last year. But, agriculture is largely unsusceptible to foreign aid. It was not subject to adverse weather conditions either. Yet, it recorded a shocking fall in the production of both wheat and cotton, which constitute the backbone of the country’s economy.

**Wheat was as much as one million tons below the target -18 instead of 19 million tons. Cotton was about two million bales short of the target. Wheat and cotton had both to be imported to stop ‘atta’ riots and to keep the textile mills from closing down! **

There was, however, an increase in the production of sugar cane. Perhaps the proliferation of sugar mills in the country over the past few years had something to do with this. In the current cultural milieu, any body who is some body in the country is rated by the number of sugar mills he owns. These ‘some bodies’ also own agricultural lands and have in all probability shifted from wheat to sugar cane to keep their mills running. Then, there was an acute shortage of fertilizers at the time of the sowing of wheat. That this demand was not met is attributable to the incompetence, mismanagement and insensitivity of the concerned functionaries.

The large-scale manufacturing, during the year, recorded a growth of 4.7 per cent as against 7.9 per cent last year. The slow down has been attributed to the sanctions leading to a substantial reduction in import of raw materials and spares for industries. Then, the benefit of the fall in oil prices on the world market was not passed on to the industry as was done in other countries with the result that our cost of production became higher and less competitive. Both exports and imports fell by about 11 per cent each.

National savings dropped from the already low level of 14.2 per cent to 11.1 per cent of GNP. Obviously, the higher costs of basic necessities have reduced the margin of savings. The overall investment declined from 17.3 per cent of GNP to less than 15 per cent during the year.

Foreign private investment stood at a little over $300 million in the first nine month of the year as against some $640 million during the same period in the preceding year. The mishandling of the Independent Power Producers, who had invested enormous amounts in the thermal power sector, had scared away potential foreign investors. The freezing of foreign exchange accounts of expatriate and local Pakistanis eroded further the credibility of the government. The whimsical decisions of the top leadership to spend enormous sums on unproductive ventures on the one hand and borrowing money on hard terms on the other couldn’t go unnoticed by the sophisticated foreign investors. Expenditures, for instance, on a glittering airport or on a $1.5 billion motorway, which would take at least 450 years to pay back from earnings the capital investment alone, did not serve to inspire confidence in the wisdom of policy makers.

The care-free, cavalier manner in which the governments of both Benazir and Nawaz Sharif have gone on borrowing on high interest rates, over the past decade, has brought the country’s debt-servicing liability to 81.5 per cent of revenue. The Survey acknowledges this as the most serious fiscal problem. It finds that poverty has intensified due to the slowing down of the economy. It accepts that the burden of taxes has disproportionately fallen on the poor. No wonder some 700 persons, mainly the poor and unemployed, were reported, according to a national news agency, to have committed suicide in 1998. That is the highest figure in the annals of the country -three times the average.

**That the Pakitani society is now in deep turmoil and has actually been in turmoil for a decade or so, is generally acknowledged. **Social and economic inequality, illiteracy, unemployment, negligible health facilities, ethnic and parochial intolerance, wide-spread corruption, arrogance of the ruling elite, are some of its ugly features. Economic policies and fiscal measures are tied up in the IMF knot, which may or may not be in national interest. To add to the bitterness of the cup, the clouds of war are hovering thick at the Line of Control in Kashmir. Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz’s peace mission to Delhi was brusquely disposed of with something akin to a frown.

The budget for the next fiscal year was presented by Finance Minister Ishaq Dar against such a dismal backdrop. The immediate impression one gains from a cursory glance at the budget is that in its framework and pattern it hardly deviates from earlier budgets. The magnitude of the socio-economic problems dictated a surgical agenda. No such revolutionary change has been planned for any sector of the economy. Had the economy been moving on the path to progress, one would have indeed complimented the planners and managers for their budget proposals. But, in the prevalent objective conditions, it struck like giving an aspirin to cure cancer.

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:fatee:when you copy/paste random stuff, you should always edit it out and clean it up to make it look like it’s ur contribution.

Why so much focus on '99? Where’s the rest of memory lane!?

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Yaar … thora time diya karo :slight_smile: … I know that whenever I write outside the forum editor, I get lot of font commands, but I always re-edit to get rid of unwanted font commands :slight_smile:

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Actually, once Musharraf would be gone, these media would be happy to use their freedom to earn money and privileges from corrupts, and media would cover all corruptions and fallings of these corrupt and crook politicians.

Now, about how corruption would happen in Pakistan:

Corrupts would take huge commissions on government contracts. Regardless of need, government places order of goods and services at much higher price than they are worth (extra price paid goes to corrupts giving order)

Pakistan has 16 billion dollars with State Bank (it was below 1 billion dollars in 1999). Obviously these corrupt could not go to State Bank with briefcase to steal those dollars. What they would do is order goods worth 4 billion dollars but with invoice of 14 billion dollars. Those extra 10 billion dollars over the worth of goods would go in commissions to these corrupts.

When Zia died, Pakistan total debt was 13 billion US dollars (external) plus 350 billion rupees (internal). NS and BB took loans much more than interest on those debts and by the time Musharraf came to power in 1999, Pakistan had 38 billion dollars external debt plus 1550 (to 1600) billion rupees internal debt. Interest on external debt was over 3 billion dollars a year and interest on internal debt was around 250 billion rupees a year (note, these crooks NS and BB were taking debt at very high interest rates ... on external debt they were paying on average around 10 percent a year and on internal debt they were paying around 18 percent a year). It means that even if Musharraf government had not taken any new loan, just interest means that by now Pakistan external debt would have reached around 75 billion dollars (as interest is compounded) and internal debt would have reached around 5500 billion rupees (again interest is compounded).

Today, external debt is around 40 billion dollars instead of 75 billion dollars (that would have been without taking any new debt) and internal debt is around 4000 billion rupees (that would have been 5500 billion rupees without taking any new debt). It shows that over last 8.5 years, Pakistan government paid a lot of money to reduce debt what it could have been. Pakistan debt to GDP ratio, that was around 110 percent in 1999 is today around 52 percent.

Once these crooks when they would have complete control over Pakistan, I am pretty sure that they would start taking huge loan to steal, and that means economy would suffer, rupee would start devaluing in big way and debt would start increasing in big way. Unfortunately, most what they would borrow, they would spend on political projects and buying goods that Pakistan would not need, at 3 to 4 times the actual price (well, all above real cost would go to the bank accounts of political corrupts). Since every goods they would buy would have invoice, it would be difficult to prove anything other than that, something that is worth 1 million dollars was bought for 3 to 4 million dollars.

Actually, there are many ingenious ways these crooks do their corruptions. Problem is that, we would only see the result of their corruptions from factors in economy and how development would not be happening. Few of us would notice these corruptions clearly, but most ignorant Pakistanis would just keep their eyes close and would try to find one excuse or another.

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Oh c'mon! don't get upset. You know i like to keep you on ur toes when it comes to your analytical skills. :)

Kinda missed you not being around as much. Glad you're back, i hope you stay.

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Brother, thanks :)

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Its apathetic statement about Ahsan Iqbal from u- he is one od the rarest poltician in Pakistani politics in terms of honesty and integrety, insight and judgement.. I never agreed with his political affliation but he is admired by all political forces for his knowledge and political sense..

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:hmmm: Are you serious? :omg:

:rotfl:
Well, believe me, Ahsan Iqbal is one of the three main liars in PMLN group of liars and I personally have heard him lying almost in every program he came on TV. Actually, most politicians lie, but amongst all Pakistani politicians, only parallel Ahsan Iqbal has in lying with calm and baysahrmee is Ishaq Daar. I have not seen in my life anyone who lies on TV in front of everyone so blatantly and without any shame as them two (along with Saad Rafique), though both of them lie with convincing calm and think that others would believe their lies.

Mostly these two lie about comparative economy, economics and figures, and thus one has to have knowledge, understanding and information to realise that they are lying, and that is why they think that they are getting away with their lies (though for anyone that have little bit of knowledge of economics, data and figures, could know that they are lying).

As for person who lies absurdities and also do not have any manners is Khawaja Saad Rafique. It seems that he has very bad brought up.

Anyhow, as far as manners is concerned, no doubt that Ahsan Iqbal is quite good and shows that he has good background and good brought up, much better than many PMLN politicians, but again, that does not mean that he is not a big liar.

As for others in PMLN group of liars, most respectable amongst them I found are Javed Hashmi and Zafar-ul-Haq (rather, I would not put them in list of liars, as they may lie moderately, as most politicians do).

Nawaz and Shahbaz also lie and quite a lot, but they lie in funny ways. Both lie but it seems that they do not know the art of lying and thus lie very unconvincingly. I think that they are honest liars. :slight_smile: They should learn from Ahsan Iqbal and Ishaq Daar the art of lying and how to be blatant liars.

It is surprising that even though some of the people in PPP are as corrupt as PMLN and Zardari might be more corrupt than any of PMLN group of liars, but nevertheless, most in PPP are on average less corrupt and lie less than PMLN group of liars. People in PPP lie, but most of the time instead of foolishly and blatantly lying, they try to avoid questions.

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^ If Ahsan Iqbal has one percent of liar or besharam he would had joined PML(Q) and Musharaf!! He is a well educated , honest and truth politician.. u will never find a parallel in PML (Q) (the army boot lickers and corrupt gang who not only looted Pakistan but killed innoect Pakistanis too)

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Pakistan and politician and honesty.. :D

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The worst crisis of wheat was in 1997 when some flour mills were set on fire in NFWP.

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Pakistan: Wheat Output Estimated Higher
Pakistan’s 2001/02 wheat harvest is estimated at 19.0 million tons, up 1.0 million from last month. Area is estimated at 8.3 million hectares, unchanged from last month. Production of 19.0 million tons is the second largest wheat crop produced in Pakistan, exceeded only by the 2000/01 harvest of 21.1 million tons. Higher wheat yields in the last two seasons are a result of more timely planting, higher seeding rates, increased input usage, and nearly ideal weather. Over 80 percent of Pakistan’s wheat is irrigated.

http://www.fas.usda.gov/wap/circular/2001/01-07/wap1.htm

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So 2000/2001 was the largest wheat crop in Pakistan.

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LOL, this Saleem guy talks about politicans corruption, yet never mentions his MQM as corrupt, never mentions their killings.

What a joke