Gog and Magog

Salam Alaikum,

A question, and hopefully it will lead to a constructive discussion that can be learned from. Please avoid idle talk, derailment of thread, and only contribute when it relates to the subject/topic. Thanks

So, Do you believe Gog and Magog have already been released? If so, how? When? How do you support your point of view/belief? If you believe Gog and Magog have not been released, how do you support your perspective?

PS: I realize the posed question assumes belief in Gog and Magog, that is because they’re mentioned in Quran and Hadith, hence the questions are subjected to those who also believe in the same. No offense to others who might not share the view. Thanks.

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They have not been released, they will be released after Hazrat Issa (R.A) have killed Dajjal and the world is a happy place for the last time till Qiyamat.

They have not been released yest and their zikr is in Surah Kahaf as far as I remember.

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:hmmm: intresting

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I think they have been released. They no longer live in that area between the caspian and the black sea, where they were forced into, Hazrat Zulqernains wall has long gone, and they have spread world wide causing havoc. Who they are now (plenty of possibilities) and when they will rise, we have yet to find out.

Yes, they’ve been released.

  • They were released during the time of Prophet Muhammad, as stated in various hadeeths.
  • The exhaustion of the Sea of Galilee is prophesized by “drying of Lake Tabarriya by waves of Gog & Magog” in hadeeths/Quran. A report from Israel’s water commission, published many years ago, addressed this very issue (since their main water supply is this lake) which forced them to begin desalinating the Mediterranean for drinking water.
  • A nation destroyed by Allah almighty’s divine will is, explicitly as according to a verse from the Quran, is not allowed to “reform” until Gog & Magog are released. We’ve been told in the Quran that the Israelites (Jews) were expelled for their polytheism, and according to history, they never had a sovereign homeland of their own (almost 3000 years?), until 1949 when the Israeli apartheid was created. This clearly hints that Gog & Magog are released.

If you want exact referrences, let me know. I’ve posted these here many times before.
Some previous discussions:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/260362-yajuj-and-majuj-have-been-released.html

I know it may seem like a stupid question but who/what exactly are Gog and Magog? I’ve never really understood what they are? Are they literal beings or is their description in the Quran and Hadith metaphorical for something else? I know in Sahih al-Bukhari they are referred to as sons of Adam.

Then, I’ve heard Dhul-Qarnayn may have been Alexander the Great…it’s all really interesting :hmmm:

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Hazrat Dhulqernain is Cyrus the Great and a believer in God. Alexander was a pagan.

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Peace All

Dhul-Qarnain was indeed Cyrus the Great who fought for justice to free the two regions.

Gog and Magog - Yajuj Wa Majuj - are a race of human - source Ibn Kathir

Hadith (reference I have not got it) - Muhammad (SAW) said that a small hole in wall had been made.

Sahabah - have said that the wall is broken - on their scout visits.

There is a commentary of a Muslim writer who wrote about the Mongol invasion and how they "are the biggest calamity the Muslims will face before Gog and Magog" - he did not make the connection that they could be the same.

Description - hairy with faces like shields, horns and attack like swarms ... with the helmets and distinctly flat faces of the mongols it is interesting.

Today we have the genetic connection to the Mongols in the Chinese and also in the Siberian regions. Both share or have a soft spot for the communist ideology.

Russia and China are potential candidates for superpowers after America.

Hadith - majority of people in hell fire will be from Yajuj wa Majuj - fact majority of people are from the mongoloid racial groups.

The idea of Dajjal being the leader of capitalist materialism consumerism and illusion once being defeated may give rise to the socialist extremes and communist sympathisers.

It means that the people of the north have come and have become part of us interbred even, but on the whole they are still a nation with separate ideas. The end of times will be less a division of race than a division of ideology.

The blessed du'ah of Isa (AS) will bring and end to the affliction of Gog and Magog.

Oh yeh I heard he could have been Cyrus the Great as well, thanks for clearing it up.

Ditto.

Thanks Psyah!

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the topic of gog n magog has always interested me.. if someone could post a gud article about the whole gog magog story, it'll be appreciated coz i'm still confused about the whole thing..

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“Until the Gog and Magog (people) Are let through(their barrier), And they swiftly swarm From every hill. Then will the True Promise Draw nigh (of fulfillment):Then behold! the eyes Of the Unbelievers will Fixedly stare in horror: ‘Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed Heedless of this; nay; we Truly did wrong!’
Qur’an 21:96-97

Who the Gog and Magog are is a subject of speculation. Gog and Magog are generally believed to be the wild tribes of Central and Northeastern Asia, including the Tartars, Mongols, Huns, and Scythians. Some believe them to be Russians, while others think that they may be extraterrestrials. We’ll find out who they are when they invade the holy land while Jesus is present there.

Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh: The Prophet got up from his sleep with a flushed red face and said: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Woe to the Arabs, from the Great evil that is nearly approaching them. Today a gap has been made in the wall of Gog and Magog like this.” (Sufyaan illustrated this by forming the number 90 or 100 with his fingers.) It was asked, “Shall we be destroyed though there are righteous people among us?” The
Prophet said, “Yes, if evil increased."

On the authority of Jabir: Gog and Magog would walk until they would reach the mountain of al-Khamar, and it is a mountain of Jerusalem, and they would say: “We have killed those who are upon the earth. Let us now kill those who are in the sky and they would throw their arrows towards the sky and the arrows would return to them besmeared with blood."

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The Messenger of Allah said: “For seven years, Muslims will build fires with Gog and Magog’s bows and arrows.”

Narrated Abu Sa’id al-Khudri: The Prophet said: “The people will continue performing the Haj and Umrah to the Ka’ba, even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.”

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Narrated An-Nawwas, son of Sam’an: Allah’s Apostle mentioned of the Antichrist one day in the morning. He sometimes described him as insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant (and we felt) as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) on our faces, he said:
“What is the matter with you?” We said: “Allah’s Apostle, you mentioned the Antichrist this morning (sometimes describing him) as insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think he was present in some (nearby) part of the cluster of the date-palm trees.”

So he said: “I harbor fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Antichrist. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not among you, a man must contend on his own behalf, and Allah will take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (the Antichrist) will be a young man with twisted, cropped hair, and a blind eye. I compare him with Abdul Uzzak son of Qatan.
He who among you will survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Surah al-Kahf (Chapter 18 of the Qur’an). He will appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and will spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! Adhere (to the path of Truth).”

We said: “Allah’s Apostle, how long will he stay on earth?” He said: “For forty days, one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days will be like your days.”
We said: “Allah’s Apostle, will one day’s prayer suffice for the prayers of the day equal to one year?” Thereupon he said: “No, but you must make an estimate of the time (and then observe prayer).”
We said: “Allah’s Apostle, how quickly will he walk upon the earth?” Thereupon he said: “Like cloud driven by the wind. He will come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion);
they will affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He will then give a command to the sky: there will be rainfall upon the earth, and it will grow crops. Then, in the evening, their pasturing animals will come to them with their humps very high, their udders full of milk, and their flanks distended. He will then come to another people and invite them. But they will reject him, so he will go away from them; they will have a drought and nothing will
be left with them in the form of wealth.

“He will then walk through the desert and say to it: ‘Bring forth your treasures.’ The treasures will come out and gather before him like a swarm of bees. He will then call someone in
the flush of youth, strike him with a sword and cut him into two pieces, and then place these pieces at a distance equivalent to that between an archer and his target.

“He will then call (that young man), and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness). It will be at this very time that Allah will send Christ, son of Mary. He will
descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus, wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron, and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, there will fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he raises
it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells the odor of his body will die and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see. He will then search for him (Antichrist)until he catches hold of him at the gate of Lod and kills him. Then a people whom Allah had protected will come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he will wipe their faces and inform them of their ranks in Paradise. It will be under such conditions that Allah will reveal
to Jesus these words:

‘I have brought forth from among My servants such people against whom none will be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur (Mount Sinai), and then Allah will send Gog and Magog, and they will swarm down from every slope. The first of them will pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them passes, he will say: ‘There
was once water there.’

“Jesus and his companions will then be besieged here (at Tur, and they will be so hard pressed) that the head of the ox will be dearer to them than one hundred dinars. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions will supplicate Allah, Who will send to them insects (which will attack their necks), and in the morning they will perish as one single person. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions, then come down to earth and they will not
find on Earth as much space as a single span that is not filled with putrefaction and stench. Allah’s Apostle (Muhammad, God bless him) said, Jesus (God bless him), and his companions will then beseech Allah, who will send birds whose necks would be like those of Bactrian camels, and they will carry them away and throw them where Allah wills.

“Then Allah will send rain, which no house of mud-bricks or (tent of) camelhair will keep out and it will wash the earth until it resembles a mirror. Then the earth will be told to bring
forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there will grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of people will be able to eat it and seek shelter under its skin, a dairy cow will give so much milk that a whole party will be able to drink it.

The milking camel will give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe will be able to drink from it, and the milking-sheep will give so much milk that the whole family will be able to drink from it. At that time, Allah will send a pleasant wind, which will soothe (people) even under their armpits. He will take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked will survive who will commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them.”

Tur means “mount” in Arabic and most likely refers to Mount Sinai, where Jesus and his followers will go in order to escape Gog and Magog. It could, however, be another mountain.

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JazakAllah Khair for contribution so far, lets keep it going.

I would have to differ with you who think Gog and Magog refer to Asian tribes. I personally believe Gog and Magog originated from the region of Caucasus Mountains (today's Georgia: Former USSR state), and then branched outwards and spread out east and west. East being Russia, and west being Europe and USA.

The reason I believe that is, because Gog and Magog are directly linked to the Anti-Christ/Dajjal and also the creation of State of Israel. Europe played a pivotal role in the creation of Israel.

Will post more on it later inshaAllah....

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The people of the northern caucasus of the time around 1 AD were Scythians. These were not a single race of people, but a conglomerate of tribes from around the region north of the Dead Sea.

It is true that the nomadic people of the steppe regions who are mongols decesended from tribes in the East, but they travelled to the lands of the West and integrated with the people of that region.

I personally hold that Yajuj and Majuj are two different races that combined with each other in the military campaigns. Yajuj - Gog - Mongols, Majuj - Magog - Tartars.

As nomadic tribes people I do not believe that Gog were necessarily living immedately north of the caucasus, however, that corridor was the only access to that region, belonging to Magog.

Proof that these mixed is the Ural-Altaic languages.

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interesting.

i once read they wont be releaseduntil they dont say inshallah.....something along those lines, cant rem exact, ws a very long time ago.

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When they are released they would spread in every direction and would descend upon every hill and mound. (hadith quoted loosely from memory)

There is a lot of symbolism.

Isn't capitalism and Colonialism a form of their "rule/control"? In that sense, haven't they already descended from every hill and mound, and spread in every direction?

Br. Psyah, you make a very good point. Has me pondering on my understanding of their origins and whereabouts.

On that, I also think that they have evolved. Evolved in the sense that they have intermarried into all the hierarchies, thus putting themselves in a position to be able to establish control over affairs of this world, ushering in a world that is ready for Dajjal.

Will post more on it later, inshaAllah..

Lets keep it going though.