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what is that an analogy of again?
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God is a warm feeling of comfort that give peace to the soul that everything will be alright!
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And I have always explained God's know-the-future like a software engineer. Just like an engineer knows the limits & capabilities of the program he created along with which paths will take a user to what conclusions .. Similarly God created man and He knows us well to tell where we would end up if we make certain decisions. This is not to say he dictates our decision but He can and does whenever He chooses to do so. For example, we are sometimes inclined to take a certain action even though we aren't sure why we are inclined to do so.
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^ so since you work in technology God is a sofware engineer. A bhangi would call him a piece o trash, etc..etc.. Men can come up anything to create god in their image. Vah!!!
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^ And you have a problem with that cos God would never be a blood sucking banker?
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of God’s will enabling man to act through his free will. consider the money to be the ability to act and it’ll all fall through.
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beats me. lets forget loopy analogies for a second. when someone does something, is it his will or is it god's will?
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both.
its God's will that you have the ability to act the way you can. every action you make through your own will therefore is enabled by God's will. thereby the money lending analogy.
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you never do nothing, not unless you're dead.
God enables all your actions, conscious and unconscious ones.
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thanks. so how does the whole accountability system - hell and heaven, work when the person was just a clockwork toy running god’s scripted role?
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where'd the script come in?
focus on my choice of words queer sahab, enabling is not the same thing as directing.
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want to explain the difference between "god enabling man's actions" vs "god scripting man's actions"?
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i'd have thought it'd be obvious.
you initiate an act, the power to initiate that act comes through god's will. the ability to carry out that act comes through god's will, the completion of that act is through god's will. the choice of that act (whether conscious or unconscious) is your own.
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how is that different from saying you do things based on your own will?
are you trying to say circumstances are within god's control while your actions are your own volition?
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no, the reason everything is said to happen through God's will is that its part of our belief that without God's will nothing could happen. He is the sole source of power and action in the world. so not only are circumstances within God's control, they are also ultimately of His creation, through the agency of our free will. He implements all of our choices.
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i dont understand how "our free will" and "everything happens through God's will" go together. but thanks for trying to explain it to me.
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this last sentence from my previous post should suffice to explain my perspective: He implements all of our choices.
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isnt that redundant considering that it is a universe that runs as per rules set by him and that anything and everything on here is by default implemented by his device?
my question was - the choices man makes, are they truly his own will, or are they pre-scripted by god? so far you seem to be saying they are his own will but only possible thru god, the latter i feel is a given. am i reading you right?
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pretty much, yes